Lingering Tormentor

Lingering Tormentor

Creature — Spirit

Fear

Persist (When this creature is put into a graveyard from play, if it had no -1/-1 counters on it, return it to play under its owner's control with a -1/-1 counter on it.)

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Set Rarity
Eventide (EVE) Uncommon

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Legality

Format Legality
Tiny Leaders Legal
Noble Legal
Leviathan Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Modern Legal
2019-10-04 Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Unformat Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

Lingering Tormentor Discussion

TitaniumTP on K'rrick Kobain and his Monster Mash

5 months ago

Let's get down to business, shall we?

DELETE THIS

Venser's Journal , Mindcrank , Armillary Sphere , Dash Hopes , Doomblade, Street Wraith , Leshrac's Sigil ,

QUESTIONABLE

Noosegraf Mob , Phyrexian Reclamation , Kaya's Ghostform , Blood Tribute , Whip of Erebos , Armillary Sphere , Reiver Demon , Pestilence Demon , Magus of the Mirror , Endling , Bloodthirsty Aerialist

At first glance these are what I think you should delete and think about deleting.


COMBO TIME

I notice that you have combo potential with Mikaeus, the Unhallowed . The only 2 card combo with him is Mikaeus, the Unhallowed and Triskelion . All other combos with him require 4 pieces.

  1. The man (zombie?) himself: Mikaeus, the Unhallowed

  2. Sac outlet - Viscera Seer , - Ashnod's Altar , - Carrion Feeder ,

  3. The Sacrifice (something with persist, or that can somehow remove the +1/+1 counter from Mikaeus, the Unhallowed ) - Lesser Masticore , - Putrid Goblin , - Skinrender if you put the 3 -1/-1 counters on itself each time it enters, - Puppeteer Clique , - Lingering Tormentor ,

  4. ALL THESE TRIGGERS - Bitter Ordeal for infinite exiling of decks, - Falkenrath Noble for infinite damage, - Vindictive Vampire for infinite damage, - Zulaport Cutthroat for infinite damage, - Vengeful Dead for infinite damage, only if sacrificed creature is a zombie, - Blood Artist for infinite damage, - Pitiless Plunderer for infinite mana, - Pawn of Ulamog for infinite colorless mana, - Deathgreeter for infinite life, - Smothering Abomination for infinite card draw,

MORE COMBO

You also have the 3 piece combo of

  1. Sanguine Bond
  2. Exquisite Blood
  3. Anything that either causes you to gain life, or an opponent to lose life - Leechridden Swamp , - Ebony Charm , - Death Cultist , - Nightmare's Thirst

I recommend using instant speed interaction for the 3rd piece of the combo, so you can respond to removal by winning

If you decide to follow The Way of The Combo, you should also add library searching effectz to help make sure you always find your pieces.


LIBRARY SEARCHIN EFFECTZ

Expedition Map for finding lands for ramp, or combo pieces if you go for the aforementioned Leechridden Swamp combo Scheming Symmetry , Behold the Beyond , Demonic Collusion , Diabolic Tutor , Final Parting , Mastermind's Acquisition , Doomsday , Demonic Collusion , Dark Petition

The more combo and storm heavy your deck is, the more search library cards you will want to add.

EXTORT OP

Basilica Screecher , Thrull Parasite , Syndicate Enforcer

Nothing much to add here, but extort is so broken in this deck. Extort will be extra powerful in storm builds.


Okay, it's Mana Time

Caged Sun

COOL LANDS

Castle Locthwain , swamp with benefits, Thespian's Stage , can become a copy of other dank lands like Temple of the False God and Cabal Stronghold , Crystal Vein , pop it on the turn where you're going to try and win, Westvale Abbey  Flip, potential wincon, Leechridden Swamp , potential combo piece and also fun to use with leftover mana, Bottomless Vault , probably sucks but you could use it in a storm deck, Memorial to Folly , Mortuary Mire , Temple of the False God , Myriad Landscape , ramp that looks like a land

Mana Rocks

Cryptolith Fragment  Flip probably not good, Thran Dynamo , super epic, Hedron Archive , Prismatic Lens , Fractured Powerstone , you know you want this for the planeschase ability, Sisay's Ring , Ur-Golem's Eye , Liliana of the Dark Realms , Nirkana Revenant , Paradise Plume , Magus of the Coffers , Black Market

For mana rocks you want the best bang for your buck, since you can just pay life instead of {B}. I like the mana rocks that cost {4} but tap for {2}, and the ones that cost {2} and tap for {1}. The more control heavy your deck is, the more rocks you want.

Ramp

Wayfarer's Bauble , Burnished Hart

Lots of Mana Fast

Cabal Ritual , Bubbling Muck , Spoils of Evil , Culling the Weak , Sacrifice , Dark Ritual , Songs of the Damned

Getting giant bursts of mana is good in any mono Black deck, but you should invest more heavily the more combo and storm themed your deck is, since you want to pop off in a single turn and cast 1,000 spells.

Investments

Basal Sliver , Blood Pet , Bog Witch , Overeager Apprentice , Basal Thrull , Priest of Yawgmoth , Blood Vassal , Soldevi Adnate

A lot of these cards that are single time use mana sources would be great in a storm deck where you would just build up your load until you bust damage all over the faces of those unfortunate enough to be within 50m of you. They're also good in reanimation decks, which could utilize Phyrexian Reclamation to keep getting them back.

Summary:

The more control heavy your deck is, the more mana rocks you want. If you're going for combos then you want more quick mana. The only land I'm gonna have to 100% recommend is Thespian's Stage . Keep in mind that the more nonbasic lands you have in your deck, the less useful cards like Crypt Ghast and Cabal Stronghold will be.


TRIBAL

Zombie Tribal

Corpse Harvester , library search, Cemetery Reaper , lord, Undead Warchief , epic lord, Josu Vess, Lich Knight , wincon, Endless Ranks of the Dead , wincon, Death Baron , lord, Liliana's Mastery , lord, Graveborn Muse , card draw, Zombie Master , protection, Graf Harvest , team evasion, Fleshbag Marauder , saccy, Phyrexian Delver , recovery, Cryptbreaker , card draw, Lord of the Accursed , lord, Shepherd of Rot , hurty everyone, Stronghold Assassin , funny removal, Loyal Subordinate , Liliana, Death's Majesty , potential finisher, Grave Titan , Open the Graves , board wipe protection, especially good if you're going all in on creature aggro, Curse of Disturbance , Awaken the Erstwhile , once you're in an advantageous position just cast this and watch your opponents cry, Tombstone Stairwell , this would be especially epic if you have cards to buff your boys, Risen Executioner , lord

Some cards that could be spicy in zombie tribal. Epic combos would be lords such as Cemetery Reaper and Lord of the Accursed , and fatties such as Army of the Damned and Josu Vess, Lich Knight . Having tons of zombies also combos with Pontiff of Blight . I think that Eldrazi Monument in a zombie build is nightmare fuel.

Vampire Tribal

Sanctum Seeker , Kalastria Highborn , Blade of the Bloodchief , Bloodlord of Vaasgoth , Malakir Bloodwitch , Bloodline Keeper  Flip, Gatekeeper of Malakir , Nirkana Revenant , Drana, Liberator of Malakir , Sadistic Skymarcher , Defiant Bloodlord , Yahenni, Undying Partisan , Butcher of Malakir , Cordial Vampire , Bloodtracker ,

If you decide vampire tribal is better, here are some options. I would only play cards like Blood Tribute if you're going vampire tribal, I don't think it's worth to play unless you can get more value than just chopping 1 player's life in half.

To Go with Your Creature Spam, Sir...

Dowsing Dagger  Flip, Mask of Memory , Necropolis Regent , Bloodforged Battle-Axe , Explorer's Scope , Throne of the God-Pharaoh , Whip of Erebos

Buff My Team!

Sword of the Paruns , Intimidation , Death Pit Offering , Eldrazi Monument , Obelisk of Urd

Summary:

The more of one tribe you have, the more synergy you have. Only include lords if you're all in on that tribe.


REMOVAL

Targeted Removal

Hero's Downfall , Vraska's Contempt , Murder , Murderous Rider , Noxious Gearhulk , Malicious Affliction , New Blood , Ruinous Path , Tendrils of Corruption , Bone Splinters , Liturgy of Blood

Epic Board Wipes

Decree of Pain , Crux of Fate , Kindred Dominance , Bontu's Last Reckoning , Do or Die , Hellfire , Necromantic Selection

Summary: Use more board wipes the more control heavy you want your deck to be. Try to choose targeted removal such that the end cost will only be {1} and some life, so that it will be as cheap as possible. This is especially important in storm builds. Since we play multiplayer quite a bit, you'll probably want to add extra board wipes, especially the ones that draw you cards or come bundled with reanimation.


Wow, I Hate Minorities

Wow, I hate tokens

Ritual of Soot , Force of Despair

Wow, Green is Cancer

Perish

Wow, I hate when other people play spells

Painful Quandary

Wow, I hate when other people attack me

No Mercy , Dread , Koskun Falls

Wow, I hate myself

Season of the Witch (okay, maybe not that much Revenge of Ravens )

Wow, I hate lifegain

Tainted Remedy , False Cure

Wow, I hate real board wipes

Sudden Spoiling , Mutilate , Languish , Massacre Girl , Golden Demise

Wow, I hate burst damage

Palace Siege , Polluted Bonds

Wow, I hate my opponents having creatures

Dictate of Erebos , Grave Pact , Butcher of Malakir

Wow, I hate this one person in particular

Curse of Vengeance , Trespasser's Curse , Curse of Fool's Wisdom


Lifegain

Profane Memento , Crypt Incursion , Vampiric Link , Loxodon Warhammer , Kokusho, the Evening Star , Cavalier of Night , Whip of Erebos

Protection

Rush of Vitality

Benefit from Death

Ogre Slumlord , Shadows of the Past

Cool Card Draw

Moonlight Bargain , Promise of Power , Succumb to Temptation , Ransack the Lab , Infernal Contract , Necrologia , Carnival of Souls , Grim Haruspex , Night's Whisper , Succumb to Temptation , Phyrexian Etchings , Cruel Bargain , Dark Deal , Foreboding Fruit , Live Fast , Painful Lesson , Necropotence

Add more card draw the more stormy you want your deck to be. Also try to add ones that will cost the least amount of mana if you take your commander's ability into account.

Card Draw Requiring Sacrifice

Altar's Reap , Costly Plunder , Morbid Curiosity , Bankrupt in Blood , Skulltap , Merciless Resolve

These will be better in decks where you're sure you'll have tons of creatures. So adding these into zombie tribal would probably be a good idea, since you have things like Army of the Damned and Josu Vess, Lich Knight that produce a million tokens.


Storm Build Cards

Aphotic Wisps , Cremate , Succumb to Temptation , Yawgmoth's Will , Ill-Gotten Gains , Priest of Forgotten Gods , Skirge Familiar , Rain of Filth , Dredge , Gravebind , Nighthaze , Street Wraith

The idea of a storm deck is to cast as many spells in one turn as possible, building up a fat storm counter to execute all who oppose us with our 3 finishers, which are Aetherflux Reservoir , Tendrils of Agony and perhaps Empty the Pits . You'll want lots of cheap spells that only cost {B} mana and replace themselves, such as Aphotic Wisps . One time use mana is also dank here, such as Dark Ritual and Cabal Ritual , and creatures like Basal Thrull and Soldevi Adnate .


Win Cons to think about

CaptainBanana42 on first edh deck I make

1 year ago

Hey, it seems you have some typos in your card list. Three of your cards are not shown correctly. You can easily check for typos if you use the card name field and wait for suggestions in the drop down list.

I would cut Bloodspore Thrinax because you don't really need the +1/+1 counters except for your persist creatures and it is really bad in combination with Mikaeus, the Unhallowed because you won't get undying triggers anymore from him.

I would also cut one of your tutor effects. It seems you have a lot of them.

Farseek is also cut able. It only gets you a swamp. I think cards like Wood Elves would be better in this deck as ramp.

You could also cut one of your tutor effects. It seems you have a lot of them in the deck.

Finally I would cut Lingering Tormentor or Rendclaw Trow because these two cards seem not powerfull beside the persist ability.

Plaguecrafter is a better version of Fleshbag Marauder . So you should consider this card.

I hope this is helpfull for you.

sonnet666 on

2 years ago

Ok, so lets talk about main game plan before we start nitpicking particular cards.

I've never tried to build Mikaeus myself, but from what I know about combo decks there are three categories of pieces that make the deck work: 1) Creatures that can re-undie with Mike's ability; 2) Sac outlets to feed them to; and 3) Death triggers that can create a win condition.

From the looks of this deck, what you tried to do was to load up on as many of each these as you could to get the best chance of drawing into the ones you need. Here's what you have of each category:

  1. Walking Ballista, Triskelion, Crystalline Crawler, Chainbreaker, Spincrusher, Banewhip Punisher, Wingrattle Scarecrow, Tatterkite, Plague Belcher, Skinrender, Lingering Tormentor, Pith Driller, Soulstinger, Cinderhaze Wretch, and Carnifex Demon. 15 Total

  2. Altar of Dementia, Blasting Station, Phyrexian Altar, Ashnod's Altar, Viscera Seer, Yahenni, Undying Partisan, Bloodthrone Vampire, Carrion Feeder, Spawning Pit, and Tainted AEther. 10 Total

  3. Zulaport Cutthroat, Blood Artist, Altar of the Brood, Grim Haruspex. 4 Total

So, all in all, 29 of your deckslots are focused on nothing except your main win condition. That's a lot of bloat for a deck that needs to ramp at least to 6, and should be packing disruption aimed at its opponents on top of that. Considering you're in the color with the best unconditional tutoring, I think you can get away with cutting a lot of those redundant combo pieces, and right now the first category is what you have the most of. I'd say anything that doesn't reduce the need for additional pieces or generate infinite mana is worth cutting.

I'd cut all of the following:

For more tutors, draw, and ramp. (That would also lower your curve to where Ad Nauseam is viable.) Leave Banewhip Punisher, Chainbreaker, and Spincrusher since they're the cheapest, and Banewhip Punisher is semi-decent removal.

I also recommend Skullclamp in terms of draw, as it goes very well with the reccruing creatures and sac outlets. You could also consider a bit of a reanimator strategy to get your combo pieces, since black can tutor to the graveyard.

Olive_pdx on Mazirek's Deception

2 years ago

chadsansing Thanks for Cauldron of Souls suggestions! With Mazirek and a sac outlet, only 1 persist creature is needed to make an infinite combo. I keep Lingering Tormentor handy depending on who I play for that very case. I do think that with an army of tokens you can really do damage as they come right back! Also to guard against a board wipe.

zingzang on Mikaeus, the Broken EDH

2 years ago

I play a Mikaeus-deck myself and I really like your work. But I think your mana-curve is not really that optimal. I play many ramp cards and only combo-pieces, which allows to make a turn 4 or turn 5 kill, nearly every time. Please also be aware, that Mikaeus gives all your creatures +1/+1, so things like Mindless Automaton don't work, even if you kill them manually, it's stuck with only one +1-counter. If you want to make your deck more consistent and more deadly, take out all cards that don't kill your opponents IMMEDIATELY with Mikaeus. Cards like: Abhorrent Overlord or Dusk Urchins all need preparation time, so think about cutting them. Also cards like Liliana of the Veil don't do anything for your combo in this deck and are better off in a good modern deck (Oh, I wish I had one myself :( ). Here are some cards that I highly recommend to you, in order to combo off faster, and better:

Retribution of the Ancients

Fume Spitter (I love him but only in my starting hand)

Blood Artist

Blood Bairn

Zulaport Cutthroat

Devouring Swarm

Bloodthrone Vampire

Diabolic Servitude (maybe, but recommend)

Falkenrath Noble

Altar of Dementia

Altar of the Brood

Phyrexian Ghoul

Chainbreaker

Infernal Darkness (maybe, but always worth it)

Sidisi, Undead Vizier (maybe...)

Diabolic Intent

Dread Return (maybe...)

Pentavus (The only 7-drop allowed in this deck)

Nantuko Husk

Grim Haruspex

Grinding Station (you have many artifact creatures then...)

Wingrattle Scarecrow

Spincrusher

Lingering Tormentor

Skinrender

Some nice ways to tutor are:Dimir Machinations and Shred Memory. They get you all the combo pieces.

You may ask: "And what shall I cut?"Every Planeswalker, they do nothing for you in this deck. Every damn card that costs 5 mana or more (Only Exceptions are Pentavus and Triskelion) . (Yes, you can also cut Sidisi, Undead Vizier, if you have enough tutors). And everything, that doesn't combo with Mikaeus in a way that doesn't kill all your opponents immediately. Your goal is to win the game as soon as Mikaeus hits the battlefield. Most of the time the disruption can't do anything, because you can combo off in response to that. And to make it as fast as possible, add all mana artifacts known to mankind to your deck. Thran Dynamo, Jet Medallion and so on, and so on. You don't need any removal or any Temporal Extortion or Imp's Mischief and stuff like that. Aim for a turn 4 kill and cut everything that doesn't support your idea. There will be no threats on turn 4 or five that need you to have any special removal.

Hope this helps out.

If you want, I can post a link to my Mikaeus deck. I don't like to do advertisement for my decks, so I do it, if you want to see my idea of a perfect deck.

Cheers,ZZ

Legendxp on Micky Mouse Club

2 years ago

if you're looking for creatures that won't ever die while Mikaeus is out, here is a list.

Spincrusher

Chainbreaker

Wingrattle Scarecrow

Lingering Tormentor

Tatterkite

Plague Belcher

Soulstinger

Baleful Ammit

Puppeteer Clique

Cinderhaze Wretch

Carnifex Demon

Crystalline Crawler (This card can also give you infinite mana)

Now you just need sac outlets.

Also, Black Market for mana and Noosegraf Mob might be helpful. (When the mob runs out out of counters it will come back with undying)

Jay3401 on Mazirek, Extreme Sub $40 Budget EDH

2 years ago

Have you thought about Lingering Tormentor? He costs a little more than Rendclaw Trow or Wingrattle Scarecrow but with fear if you manage to beef him up he's almost garanteed to connect, he also has persist so he combos with the rest of you stuff.

Squirrel_of_War on Hyper-Budget: Life for Death ($30!)

2 years ago

Dimir House Guard is a tutor or a free sac outlet. He can fetch your Lumberknot for you or Lingering Tormentor to combo out.

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