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Dark Petition Discussion
1 week ago
So its a win condition of played right. You have Demonic Tutor and Vampiric Tutor so all you would need to add is Mystical Tutor and Dark Petition which are the cheap ones. If you have those in your deck you can plan to cast Ad Nauseam on turn 4 pretty much every game. You already have Aetherflux Reservoir and Sensei's Divining Top I would suggest adding Isochron Scepter and Dramatic Reversal and Laboratory Maniac as outlets to victory instead of Sanguine Bond and Exquisite Blood
2 weeks ago
bLaZiNgShArK My opinion is you can swap them for the 3 Dark Petitions and maybe the pact, which can be moved to sideboard. However take into consideration that Sword-Point Diplomacy is generally considered an aggro card as in running low land count. With 26 swamps this can easily be pay 3 mana: your opponent loses 3 life, draw 2 swamps and exile the other card. Still if Torment of Hailfire or Remorseless Punishment have the opponent low enough and you high-roll it (reveal 3 non-lands) it can easily be either GG (revealed say another torment) or 3 mana draw 3 cards. Playtesting will show how well it fits in the deck I suppose, but you definitely should try it. :)
3 weeks ago
Hey mmcgeach! I like your list too! Obviously it has had a lot of influence on mine :P
Prepare for an essay... :)
Tainted Pact has been nuts. The card is excellent had has been instant speed Demonic Tutor on multiple occasions. I have never done the Laboratory Maniac thing with it cause it has just never really lined up that way. I tend to play Breya a little more conservatively too so if my hand is lab man + tutor I am never gonna go for T. Pact in that spot.
Pull from Eternity is also nuts. Ironically when I first looked into playing Breya it was one of the first things I wanted to cut but I wanted to give it a legit show before cutting it and am eternally grateful I did. The card is just soooo much better than it looks on paper.
So Timetwister is an interesting one. I noticed your lack of inclusion of the card and tried the deck without it at first but quickly realized the card is waaaay to busted to not play. Even the times where you have been setting up your graveyard for a few turns and you are hit with twister it doesn't really matter cause you are getting 7 cards out of it. And I have cast it more than once as a way to disrupt the rest of the tables' graveyard shenanigans because our combo isn't that hard to set up at our leisure once the noise of the first few turns has played out. Once again, we are more of the "control" deck of the table than a true all in combo, so the time it stalls the table from comboing generally favors us. Obviously the times with a bunch of mana rocks into Twister on turn 1 or 2 is just over the top powerful but I have honestly found it to be as good as Wheel of Fortune despite apparent disynergy. Note: The card isn't anywhere near as good as it is in Competitive Yidris Storm which is the other deck I play a lot of (I like my 4 color monstrosities) so we are honestly one of the decks where twister is at its worst, but ultimately I think it is still too good not to be an include. I have been happy with it.
Completely agree with your points on Dark Petition. I considered both when making the swap and ended on Grim Tutor because it was a card I didn't really mind taking my entire turn to cast, but the card has been incredibly mediocre so I began considering Dark Petition again. I have honestly considered switching back to like Thirst for Knowledge or Night's Whisper over it or something. I haven't HATED it but its not exciting. I mean ffs, its only one mana off of Diabolic Tutor and that card is completely unplayable.
Yea... I cut Pyroblast. There is a lot more Hermit Druid decks, Food Chain decks, Elf decks and random creature decks like Captain Sisay in my local meta so the card just wasn't really doing much for me. I would probably consider it for a more open meta but locally the card is pretty dead. (To be honest, I think I would still consider like Ricochet Trap or something I feel is slightly more flexible in a more open meta game). I have considered Fatal Push or Forked Bolt as potential adds for my local game. The ol' "kill two mana idiots on my turn 1" is really tempting to try.
Izzet Charm is GREAT. It kinda does a little of everything we want to do. I use all three of the modes on that card pretty consistently and its flexibility is intoxicating. I don't see myself ever cutting that card to be honest. And as mentioned above, the fact it let me splice in another creature removal spell was really important for my creature heave meta. I haven't actually found very many times where the creatures I want to kill have had more than 2 toughness though to be honest.
The thing about Thought Scour is that the card feels free. Like even if you don't want to USE the graveyard for your Doomsday piles, it still lets you churn through the cards faster. If you draw it, it doesn't really cost that much to just cycle it, it makes your Brainstorm into "perfect Brainstorms" acting as another shuffle effect, and it kinda has synergy with Vampiric Tutor making the aforementioned tutor into an Entomb. All around the card feels so free to include, and tbh, I am kind of awful at Doomsday piles. I think I have only one once casting DD and in general find any other way to win. So the more options I have with DD after casting it the better off I would like to think I am. I would be open to cutting it but haven't had any really negative situations with it. Plus you can shut off other people's Enlightened Tutor, Mystical Tutor, and Vampiric Tutors which is pretty sick.
Angel's Grace is really interesting. There aren't very many games I lose casting Ad Naus, albeit, like Timetwister, we don't make Ad Naus look nearly as busted as Yidris Storm does and that is moderately frustrating. I have definitely had some underwhelming flips but it is still so rare that I lose with it that I think trying to include a. grace just for that is probably not good enough to justify a spot. But I am pretty enchanted with the idea of a. gracing as another copy of Silence to disrupt other people's combos. Probably worth trying but I don't see it being a major player. Like I said, I am eyeing cards like Ricochet Trap, Forked Bolt, and/or Fatal Push as pretty reasonable adds. Though it still bugs me to no end that I can't fit a Preordain in this deck but have room for a Thought Scour.
4 weeks ago
Hi Dake, I like your list. I'm glad you like the Tainted Pact - Pull from Eternity lines. I think those cards are so insanely powerful that it really makes Breya a stronger general, since Breya is the deck that really maximizes the potential of them. Having the win-condition in the command zone means you're never in danger of exiling the win with your tainted pact. And being a reanimation shell makes pull sooo good. Then you get to play Lab man with Tainted Pact and Doomsday; there's just so much synergy with a tutor that's also a combo piece. I think these lines are sneakily some of the best things about the deck.
Can I ask about some of the switches you've made?
I wasn't running Timetwister cause I didn't want to be emptying my own graveyard... but, early wheels are so good. How has it been?
How is Grim Tutor? I don't own one, so I haven't tried it, but it looks mediocre. I wouldn't replace this with Dark Petition... I tried Dark Petition for a while and this Breya list just doesn't generate enough mana. Other storm decks like Thrasios actually have a lot more acceleration so the 5 cmc is a reasonable play on turn 3 or 4, frequently with backup. Breya wants to use every point of mana as efficiently as possible, so dark petition is just a little too much.
You cut Pyroblast? Is that just a meta decision because of a lack of opposing blue decks? I always thought it was the 6th-best counterspell in the format; which, you know, makes it really strong.
Similarly, I cut Izzet Charm from my list due to meta game reasons: there were a lot of people playing Yisan and Selvala (both toughness >= 3), so I just couldn't devote an interaction slot to a card that didn't deal with those generals. I'd put it back in now, I think.
FYI, I've sometimes cut Thought Scour since I usually want to go for a Doomsday pile that doesn't use the GY. It limits the potential for some really early doomsdays, but I found those to be pretty unlikely anyway. But Thought Scour is pretty dead outside of certain doomsday piles.
How do you feel about Angel's Grace as a possible include? How are your typical Ad Naus plays?
4 weeks ago
Your deck has a lot of tools, but the thing is, I don't see a visible win condition. I can see the idea of chipping someone out kinda working in 1v1, but in multiplayer, I expect you to have a bad time. To make up for this, you have some options, and they all focus around the spells you cast.
Damage based cards like Guttersnipe, Faerie Tauntings and Aetherflux Reservoir, etc.Counter-based cards like planeswalkers, infect and Inexorable Tide, etc.Theft cards like Bribery, Insurrection, Slave of Bolas, Hostage Taker and even Rite of Replication.You could even mill with Memory Erosion, Leyline of the Void, and cards like Circu, Dimir Lobotomist Also, just dumb good cards like Draining Whelk, Venser, Shaper Savant and Kaervek the Merciless
Not to say what you're doing is bad, it's totally not. You just gotta squeeze that sweet value out of everything you do.
As for the cards you mentioned, I'd say Arcane Denial, Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker, neither but put Dark Petition in that slot, Duplicant because it's a body, Liliana of the Veil, Word of Seizing, and neither, kinda.
All that said, I don't really play control, I'm a Timmy at heart. I play against it enough to know that you want to use every part of that orange, not just the juice
4 weeks ago
KumaBozu since you're the only one who commented on this, I would like your opinion on something. Here is a list of cards I find undwhelming in my list and a list of replacements I was thinking about:
Thirst for Knowledge offers more card draw and filtering along with synergy with my general whereas Nicol Bolas is powerful but doesn't really fit the mold of the deck.
Tribute to Hunger is instant speed and is a spell which interacts more with my deck and offers a bit of lifegain, although, Liliana can win independent games and is very controlling and reusable if not dealt with.
Faithless Looting is card filtering and lower on the curve where Leyline only turns about 1/3 of my deck into instant speed. I understand Leyline being powerful and letting me cast wraths on my opponents turn or something else that is big game, but it seems like late game, it isn't necessary.
So what are your thoughts on this matter?
Is Liliana too good to pass on? Is Tribute worth it? Are the cards given to the opponent from arcane denial back breaking? Is Shift giving them a 2/2 manifest horrendous? Is Leyline too good not to use? Is Dark Petition too many tutors with Vampiric and Demonic already in the deck? Is Seizing overrated?
Any help would be great. Thank you.
1 month ago
Yo Lilbrudder, wanted to stop by and say, after I saw your change, I started playing Dark Petition in my (white) build and it'd been great. I dropped merchant scroll for it. I was resisting the change because lower total CMC is the best, right? But the yawgwill lines are just too good with another Demonic Tutor in the deck.