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Creature — Vampire
Whenever another creature you control dies, Vindictive Vampire deals 1 damage to each opponent and you gain 1 life.
Vindictive Vampire Discussion
5 hours ago
Falkenrath Noble is actually worse because it hits only one player per trigger and relies too much on your opponents to play many creatures. Stat-wise it might be better because of added evasion in form of flying but I'd actually stick to the ground with Vindictive Vampire dealing 3-4 damage and healing me for 1.
Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet is good but not here - it's place is in some more midrange decks rather than full on aggro. On the other hand Vampire Nocturnus has POTENTIAL to be amazing but... in 3-color deck it has too much % chance to whiff. I've actually counted and there are 41 black cards and it might not be enough to make it worth inclusion.
If I'd make it more similar to my Aggro/Aristocrats deck I'd swap:
- Sorin, Solemn Visitor --> Vindictive Vampire - I see planeswalkers as sorcery spells because there's a very high chance that they'll be killed during the whole turn cycle. So this Sorin is for +1/+0 and lifelink OR 2/2 token... Is it worth 4 CMC? Unfortunately, I don't think so.
- Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet --> Quag Vampires - low CMC aggro vampire that has potential to be unblockable with Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth and come with a few +1/+1 counters later in the game.
- Adanto Vanguard --> Bloodthrone Vampire - white vampire for black one and I personally don't see this Vanguard as powerful, while with all those ping abilites on board we can easily machine gun opponents to death (or close enough to be taken down by buffed up vampire lady).
Other than that I'm recently questioning the value of Stromkirk Noble since it's not card... What do you think about it?
7 hours ago
Vindictive Vampire or Zulaport Cutthroat are good aristocrats cards but have a too high cmc for a aggro deck same as Falkenrath Noble (i think noble is a bit better. You drain just one opponent, but it trigger also by opponent creatures.
20 hours ago
As for removal I consider Wear - it might be viewed as 3CMC but it's flexibility and ability to be 3 CMC 2-for-1 redeem it for me. Might work instead of Path to Exile or Harsh Mercy since you have enough creature removal. The latter might also work really bad in more tribal oriented metas or because of the fact that so many good creatures are Elves of Humans.
2 days ago
First of all I ofcourse don't know what your budget is. These cards I mentioned are in the higher price range, but unfortunately not on any reserved list and very easy to trade :) But fair enough if you don't want to spend that amount of cash on them!
To respond to your responses :)
The nim deathmantle I think is an auto include in any teysa deck, we play orzhov and we run out of a hand eventually. To use your turns to start looping stuff on the battlefield is pretty good. Nim is a real enabler in that way also an engine for your drain effects.
It felt exactly like that with the wurmcoil and the walker ;) The slumlord is really good, he often provides quite a lot of tokens and that's what teysa wants :) What's your plan with the Sandsower ? Cause if you only run it to untap Whisper, Blood Liturgist then I would just run another recursion effect instead of such a niche card... What about Dread Return , Sorin, Vengeful Bloodlord , Chainer, Dementia Master are all very affordable recursion effects :-)
Vindictive Vampire I would just run in addition too, tbh. IF you really want to go towards the Aristocrats style! Lily I can totally understand. The standard meta still hasn't settled and therefor it's still uncertain if she will see play or not. I think as soon as that happens we'll know if she goes up or down. Nontheless it is a reaaaally powerfull card. Sorin is criminally underrated and in a aristocrats deck an absolute powerhouse and much better than the token generator sorin... Almost all your creatures are cmc 3 or less, wich means Sorin will fetch them out of your graveyard the turn he enters + the lifelink is a really nice addition as well. Gives you space to run for example Command the Dreadhorde or Bolas's Citadel . The ping effect I often use to ping a planeswalker, next to this it's on +2 so he grows big fast. I rarely draw him and go well this is completely useless right now...
Since Orzhov lack proper card draw like blue has, I would run Yawgmoth and lily tbh. They are both that good, but being on a budget Yawgmoth will probably do more for us.
Let me know how the Aetherworks Marvel works out for you! I have it in my binder as well and im curious about it!
DH i would keep out of your deck unless you play at a 75%+ powerlevel table. Otherwise it will ruin the more casual pods and it won't be fun for anyone. But that's the nice thing, see it more as a kill switch you can dump in your deck increasing the powerlevel of you deck quite a lot.
My bad about the draw then, it was late and I was about to get to bed, think I just overlooked them :-) Midnight Reaper I still need to get as well, I have one and it's in my Meren deck.... I have 2 bolas's Citadel's in my binder, but no idea what to cut for it in my list (you can always take a quick peek if you want to see if you have some ideas?)
I think what is almost more important than sac outlets are the recursion effects. It really is the engine of the deck. I play around 8-9 effects and a ton of card draw to get too them. Again Orzhov is not the fastest color when it comes to ramp, so we go midgame fast, and there we see out other problem. Going into the midcame empty handed is killing or not having a recursion effect on the field is also terrible to bring back out dead... As long as we can Recur our creatures we are good to go. That's why I'm no fan of Whisper/Ravos, they are creatures. People like to play boardwipes/spotremoval so often they won't survive. Putting your recursion on any other slot is better than a creature. If you are low on sac fodder than whisper is a horrible recursion effect because you need 2(!!) creatures to recur one thin. In my opinion Chainer/Victimize/Dread Return are all better because if they can drag your Sun Titan out of your grave the moment it resolves you have gass again :) Whisper and Ravos both need to wait an entire round wich is quite long to stay alive!
2 days ago
Also I run more Blood Artist effects, so Vindictive Vampire and Pious Evangel Flip. These effects are basically your wincon if you don't go onto the Darkest Hour tour. It makes people think again about playing a board wipe and gives more value to your boardwipes when you play them if needed.
And ofcourse from modern horizons the new Yawgmoth, Thran Physician sack outlet and card draw and removal, it's basically everything orzhov wants...
At one point I cut Divine Visitation as well, since I found it too mana intensive and often to reliant on having a boardstate. Wich often can be a bit of a problem, since Teysa draws sooooo much hate. (wich is understandable) I replaced it for more recursion.
I do like your addition of Living Death and I'm gonna give it a go with that card as well. Since we mostly exile threats, I don't think whatever comes back is that much of a problem for us :)
And about darkest hour. It's up to you if you want to play it, it takes the deck from a nice deck to play against to full on combo. I kinda like that, I have the card and depending what powerlevel I'm up against I put it in or not. It's like a switch you can turn on and off. ".Darkest Hour I feel will need to be slotted in eventually for combo potential, but I gotta have something to combo it with, whether its Altar of Dementia or a Blood Artist like effect." - You already play it hahah. You just need teysa and a sac outlet and your done. One of the altars means infinite mana, Dementia is everyone is milled, one of the blood artists and everyone is dead, Gravepact/dictate the board is empty, Carrion Feeder is infinite big, Viscera Seer you scry for your wincon. And even without Darkest Hour that is why you want to run more of these blood artist effects and recursion to keep your guys on the board.
Also....where is your card draw? It feels like your gonna fall into the orzhov trap wich is being without a hand and without enough recursion you will slow down quite fast and the other decks will get the upper hand. 1 Midnight Reaper and 1 Grim Haruspex are not enough to stay dangerous..
Hope these tips will help you a bit
And otherwise if you want this is my decklist with what I play: Teysa, Orzhov Scion: a Dance Macabre
3 days ago
Hey man! I saw you commented on my Sen Triplets EDH, you helped a lot so, thanks for that! This are some of my suggestions for sacrifice recursions:
I like the route you've taken, here is my version (I went with Proliferate/Infect):
2 weeks ago
Missing a Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth , you could abuse Sifter of Skulls , and.... Vindictive Vampire this guy with Something that gives him Infect, If you've got the time, Yawgmoth, Father of the Machines that is my list, it is kinda similar tho, nice deck bro! :)
1 month ago
I really like your deck, I went through the same process moving from Teysa Karlov back to OG Teysa and ended up trying to build something that would work in any of the Orzhov aristocrats commanders like your deck. I would switch out Falkenrath Noble for either of Cruel Celebrant or Vindictive Vampire . I've always disliked that it can only target one player at 4CMC. Also another personal preference, but I would run Despark over one of your removals. I feel like most things that will need to be removed will make Despark a better deal. Here's my deck for reference
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