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Creature — Faerie Wizard
When Puppeteer Clique enters the battlefield, put target creature card from an opponent's graveyard onto the battlefield under your control. It gains haste. At the beginning of your next end step, exile it.
Persist (When this creature dies, if it had no -1/-1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a -1/-1 counter on it.)
Puppeteer Clique Discussion
3 days ago
gradstudent: Oh, he's 100% going in here :D he's perfect for the deck.
sam171z: Thank you, both for your kind words and your incredibly helpful comments! In order:
I tested Black Market and had mixed feelings, I just don't want to spend 5 mana for a mana source that will only pay off the next turn, despite the high ceiling.
Diabolic Intent is in here already, but it's definitely awesome ;)
Puppeteer Clique is a very neat idea here, I'm honestly irritated I didn't think of it XD
Lashwrithe was awesome in this deck's predecessor (a Yahenni list) but I think I'll pass on it here (I have more efficient ways to win than Voltron IMO).
Priest of Forgotten Gods is awesome, but I feel like our Commander generally does the trick better. I'll contemplate :)
I don't think that Karn, Silver Golem fits here necessarily... but what DOES work amazingly (and I can't believe I've never thought of) is Karn, the Great Creator ! That's getting IMMEDIATELY slammed in here :D
3 days ago
Hey love the deck its got my vote. what is your take on Black Market , Diabolic Intent which could work better then Vampiric Tutor , Puppeteer Clique which with Mikaeus, its a repeatable primordail, Night Incarnate , even Lashwrithe can come as an unexpected beatdown, and Priest of Forgotten Gods . Will some of these Help, and when you get a chance, can you check out my deck, there are on your wall.
1 week ago
Hey! Saw your deck posted before FLATSO99's and thought I'd comment since I also play Ghave.
First off I assume your goal with this deck is to play "fair" with a go-wide tokens and counters strategy with some options to win with a combo, but I'd like to offer my primer for you to take a look at and borrow anything you like. I go into detail the different combos you can get from Ghave and how they work as well as a list of combos found in my list.
Commander / EDH
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That being said, I have a few suggestions for how you can strengthen the deck even if you're not looking to combo off as soon as you can.
Your mana curve is a bit high, and I think you can cut some of the more mana-heavy cards to trim the deck and let it play more smoothly. For instance I see Butcher of Malakir but no Dictate of Erebos or Grave Pact . I understand if it's a budget problem, but I personally run Grave Pact thanks to it's lower cmc. Yes, Martyr's Bond does the same thing and even extends to permanents other than creatures, but I find it's not worth the mana cost. You could probably cut that one, too.
I know you mentioned Walking Ballista , and I eventually cut Triskelion in my own deck for it. It only needs an extra card (either a sac outlet or Blood Artist effect) to combo with Mikaeus, the Unhallowed which will still often be cheaper on the mana to cast than just Triskelion .
Unless you're building the deck around it, I'd cut anything with Landfall. It's almost never worth it if you're not making it a big theme in your deck.
I'm not a fan of Faerie Macabre . There are better cards for graveyard hate. Bojuka Bog comes to mind which you should run if you really need the grave hate. If you're insistent on having a spell fill that slot, Shred Memory is better as it also acts as a tutor for a 2 cmc card.
Pack Rat is unnecessary. I'd focus on the saproling tokens. You'll have better synergy in the deck that way.
I also don't think you're running enough elves to get the most out of Elvish Archdruid . I'd cut that in favor of other ramp. The ramp you have in the deck already is pretty good without him.
I notice you have Kitchen Finks which is an excellent combo piece, but have you considered running any undying creatures (besides the effect of Mikaeus, the Unhallowed )? I highly recommend Young Wolf as he's an easy route to getting as many tokens as you want. Strangleroot Geist or Butcher Ghoul can also be good. You could run more persist creatures if you like as well. I've liked having Puppeteer Clique and Woodfall Primus in my deck since if you can recur them over and over, you get some awesome effects. If you want cheap ones to play, Safehold Elite is a possibility, and Modern Masters now has Putrid Goblin which is basically Butcher Ghoul but with persist instead of undying.
Protean Hulk has been the center of most of my wins. Pattern of Rebirth is a quick way to cheat him out, but you should consider Natural Order as well since it gets the hulk out just as quickly. I see Karmic Guide , but I don't see Reveillark or Saffi Eriksdotter . I would highly recommend running at least one if not both of them. They create an endless recursion combo that lets you get everything back from your graveyard or trigger a Blood Artist effect to kill the table. Now I assume you use Leonin Relic-Warder with Karmic to go infinite. That's good, but I still say having the recursion availability to access your graveyard is a big advantage.
Anyway sorry for the super long comment. I just really like Ghave and wanted to leave some constructive criticism to help you with your deck. I generally prefer that kind of feedback myself. Hopefully this helps.
2 weeks ago
Hey, good start, but with Liliana as Commander consider expanding on the sacrifice theme? Sacrifice strategies with aristocrats can be good and powerful, but you need to commit to them with many sac outlets to make the payoffs for sacing creatures worth it. Cards such as Liliana herself, Pawn of Ulamog , Sifter of Skulls , Grim Haruspex , etc. are payoffs for sacing creatures, but they're lackluster without sac support.
Cards that are within your deck's budget to consider adding for sacrifice strategy:
- Viscera Seer
- Yahenni, Undying Partisan
- Carrion Feeder
- Ashnod's Altar or Altar of Dementia : Dementia is better than Ashnods for the strategies here because it's a repeatable enabler to get creatures into your graveyard, but it's also more expensive price.
- Blood Artist
Reanimation is a fine secondary strategy to use consider also expanding on it:
- Cryptbreaker : repeatable way to discard cards and get value in return.
- Stinkweed Imp : dredge is a fast and repeatable way to get creatures into your graveyard.
- Golgari Thug
- Putrid Imp
- Liliana, Death's Majesty : enabler to get cards into your graveyard and reanimation.
- Living Death : mass reanimation and mass sacrifice.
- Command the Dreadhorde : mass reanimation using life which you have a lot of in Commander.
Other cards to consider adding:
- Crypt Ghast : mono black staple.
- Necropotence : mono black staple, less good when you have to discard unless you have a tons of cards in hand.
- Mutilate : powerful board wipe when playing lots of Swamps.
- Bubbling Muck
- Sign in Blood
- Gray Merchant of Asphodel : great payoff for playing mono black.
- Bloodgift Demon
- Reliquary Tower
- Hero's Downfall
Cards to consider cutting (no order):
- Raise Dead
- Sword-Point Diplomacy
- Dark Dabbling
- Bone Harvest
- Dead Reckoning
- Death Denied
- Liliana's Spoils
- Swarm of Bloodflies
- Drana, Liberator of Malakir
- Barrier of Bones : can be upgraded.
- Cadaver Imp : can be upgraded.
- Spellbook : can be upgraded.
- Indulgent Tormentor : can be upgraded.
- Mindwrack Demon : can be upgraded.
- Puppeteer Clique : can be upgraded.
- Wailing Ghoul : can be upgraded.
- Ever After : can be upgraded.
- Ulamog's Crusher : eight drop.
- Visara the Dreadful : seven drop.
- Butcher of Malakir : seven drop.
- Necromantic Selection : seven drop redundancy that you don't need.
- Harvester of Souls : six drop redundancy that you don't need.
- Sifter of Skulls : redundancy that you don't need.
2 weeks ago
Chainer wants unconditional goodstuff. Anything that asks you to swarm the board is "win-more." Avoid detours. Follow a plan that enables Chainer: eg. fill all graveyards and get 6-8+ mana; then finish with Torment of Hailfire , etc. If you want to count creatures, count all creatures.
Zulaport Cutthroat is a good example of too much "If... then." eg. "if I play X cards that make lots of creatures (or if everyone leaves me alone for 3+ turns with Chainer in play -which should not happen)... then deal X damage and gain life." Blood Artist is similar, but I like it as a hate-bear that punishes large boards, but then maybe all you need is Massacre Wurm + Phyrexian Altar + Chainer.
I almost like Harvester of Souls more than Liliana, Dreadhorde General because it counts all creatures, but really you want to draw before turn 5 to just to set up ramp and black bombs. Maybe +1 Midnight Reaper because it draws off itself.
These are painful cuts, but they'll let the deck flow. Get Chainer to do his thing and then tutor to end it (you have all the best tutors in the game). If you want to be less redundant and durdle more, you could take them out.
2 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
(This is the guy from Ron's Comic World)
My first suggestion is to adjust your mana base to address the cost-differences between your colors. According to the graph, over half your colored costs are green costs. Adding more Forest s and fewer plains/ Swamp s may be helpful.
My second suggestion concerns dorks. One-mana creatures that provide you with mana are gas from turn one; adding Llanowar Elves , Fyndhorn Elves , Elves of Deep Shadow , Avacyn's Pilgrim , Elvish Mystic and Deathrite Shaman could all accelerate your deck significantly. If you choose to run a dork like Arbor Elf , Utopia Sprawl and Wild Growth also become significantly better. Putting in the creature acceleration should allow you to cut 2-3 lands from your final list, as well as making a card like Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip better.
Regarding card draw: The majority of EDH games are decided by card advantage. Mentor of the Meek is worth considering, especially if you choose to run the mana dorks I mentioned above. Slate of Ancestry is pretty good if you poop out a load of creatures with cards like Mycoloth . Harmonize , Grim Flowering , Ambition's Cost and Painful Truths are all good one-shot methods to recoup card advantage; Twilight Prophet is good in addition to your Phyrexian Arena .
Being Abzan, you have access to a bunch of cards most opponents will hate. Gaddock Teeg is a great way to hold off opposing board wipes, as it turns off Damnation , Wrath of God , Supreme Verdict , Blasphemous Act and the like. Aven Mindcensor hoses some decks, and makes your Path to Exile better. Thalia, Guardian of Thraben , Glowrider and Vryn Wingmare are all good if your deck can produce excess mana. Alms Collector is good for hating on mass-draw combo decks.
I see a lot of one-for-ones in your list. In EDH, you're facing 2-4 opponents, and therefore that many more cards. Things like Mortify and Putrefy are good, but they are not great; I suggest running more two-for-ones. Ashes to Ashes , Grasp of Fate , Back to Nature , Liliana's Triumph (if you're not facing dork-heavy decks), and Syphon Mind are all good options. Swords to Plowshares is one of the few one-for-ones I think is really good in EDH, if only because it's so flippin' efficient.
I don't think Massacre Girl is a good card; something like Wrath of God , Toxic Deluge or Damnation may be better. Merciless Eviction is good, but being six mana may be relatively detrimental. If you want, Cataclysm is a... good card. Though you may, if you have a significant conscience, consider not running it.
Demonic Tutor , which you run, is the gold standard, but cards like Eladamri's Call are good too. Green Sun's Zenith may be helpful, especially if you run Dryad Arbor to fetch turn one, and GSZ can grab your Reclamation Sage if you need it. Similarly, you may want to consider Finale of Devastation and Chord of Calling are options, and Bane of Progress is another good target.
Gavony Township is probably good in your list; choosing to run something like Knight of the Reliquary gives you access to it fast. Crop Rotation is another option. You could probably run 1 or 2 more utility lands like Blast Zone , Maze of Ith or Bojuka Bog to compliment this package.
Recovering from a boardwipe is hard in creature-decks. I suggest Second Sunrise or Faith's Reward , as these both negate the effect of Wrath effects on you while also being able to bounce back creatures you sacrificed earlier.
Walking Ballista may be helpful, if only because it can shoot blockers out of the way. Running it in conjunction with Basilisk Collar becomes pretty busted. Woodfall Primus , Puppeteer Clique , and Kitchen Finks are all good options, especially since -1/-1 counters cancel out with a +1/+1 counter. Running these with Ashnod's Altar or an added Viscera Seer makes their effects recur indefinitely. Pairing Woodfall Primus or Kitchen Finks with Cathars' Crusade can simply end the game.
Proliferate effects will be good here. I expect Evolution Sage would be busted in this deck, and Contagion Clasp / Contagion Engine are good, too. Sword of Truth and Justice (from Modern Horizons) is also worth running, though it may be hard-ish to get ahold of for the first few months after the set drops.
All of the cards in your 'Maybeboard' are worth running. If/when you get ahold of them, you should run them.
All the best, and good luck.
1 month ago
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Puppeteer Clique occurrence in decks from the last year
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