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Dark Deal Discussion
4 days ago
Verity Circle works with certain decks, I do like it a lot, but I don't have a pure control type deck anymore. It does bear a lot of consideration in a Circu deck and I like the idea a lot tbh. I forgot to include Dark Deal but that also works, it's mostly in conjunction with Notion Thief when I do wheel as it is definitely hard to come back with no hand, and your pretty much guaranteed to win in the next couple turns or have an overwhelming advantage. Whispering Madness is almost never used for the cipher, its just another wheel limited to the dimir colors.
5 days ago
Isnt Dark Deal better than whispering madness in such a creature light deck? Youll rarely get that cipher with so few creatures. I'm not too keen on those draw spells as i dont like tapping out but i can say Verity Circle has worked wonders for this deck as a draw engine and political pillowfort tool.
1 week ago
I think this deck should run a couple of wheels. They're very good with Notion Thief, and if you don't like what you see with Sen Triplets' ability, you can reroll. Alms Collector could also be used. Windfall is probably the best, followed by Dark Deal and Whispering Madness .
3 weeks ago
I am definitely on board with Diregraf Colossus , it is excellent redundancy for Bridge from Below, which is easily disrupted. The same could be said for Pitiless Plunderer , which is a dupe for Phyrexian Altar when used with a sac outlet. I love the redundancy.
Regarding Midnight Reaper , I’d be hesitant to use it because I am concerned that the damage would add up and eat into our life total for Razaketh. Reaper is a zombie and draws for itself which is nice but I’d probably go with Grim Haruspex first.
Liliana, Untouched By Death was a thought experiment and I am pretty comfortable saying the deck is better without it. Unless you REALLY recommend Thornbite Staff to me, I suspect that same could be said of it too.
3 weeks ago
MediSyntax you know the judge promo is only like $150 at most?
I've been testing and I've managed to some conclusions. Firstly: walking ballista is turned off entirely by both Null Rod & Stony Silence . Crypt Ghast is a much more efficient win condition (extort triggers via excess mana & casts w/ Gravecrawler ) as it condenses the win condition to being part of cards which are useful in of themselves.
Some dead cards: Mindslicer & Dark Deal - unless you have a Waste Not out, these cards do next to nothing - there are a few great replacement options which will help to steer this deck in the right direction:
Diregraf Colossus is a 3 mana zombie who functions as an alternative to bridge from below, while keeping most of the combos still working - I've often found that I am left just needing BFB in my yard, or worried that an opponent will sacrifice / Flash a creature to exile it.
Mausoleum Secrets is a fantastic tutor which I've been caught with in hand only once when I was unable to use it. More often than not it's an instant-speed Demonic Tutor , though it'll mostly never fetch Razaketh, the Foulblooded .
Thornbite Staff lines are... weak. But they do function! The difficulty faced is that you end up paying 8 mana for TBS & to equip it to a 2 mana Priest of Forgotten Gods or Soldevi Adnate - at the huge mana expenditure it's wholely useless otherwise.
Pitiless Plunderer is quite possibly a must-have include for the deck - the number of times I've been able to reanimate it more cheaply than it would be to cast phyrexian altar is nuts & it's all too often that there's a sac' outlet in play.
Liliana, Untouched By Death is bad. I often times end up discarding it, due to greater options being available, but it does make for another win condition in the case that GC gets exiled, so a maybe in more reactive metas.
Midnight Reaper is a zombie who draws every time something dies; while it deals damage to you is unnecessary (since you could run a non-zombie variant of this card at the same mana cost & stats) I find that it puts in enough work to be considered worthwhile.
The following cards feel like they're left over from the fun deck that this may have used to be: Rings of Brighthearth , Basalt Monolith , Smallpox , Pox ; Some of the current options I'm running are found above, along with Imperial Seal , Grim Tutor , Rain of Filth & Priest of Gix .
In a real game this list seems to want to beat the creature meta. Goldfishing, Lili puts out consistent turn 6 or sooner wins. But in cEDH pods up against the likes of flash-hulk najeela & Tazri food chain the deck doesn't often get a chance to shine. It feels often that instead of speeding up, maybe this should look more like a stax deck when it's finalised.
Culling the Weak is a fantastic idea! I'll try that out too!
1 month ago
Je me suis arreté la dessus, les shadow of the grave sont hyper important en fait - 4 Burning Inquiry - 2 Desperate Ritual - 4 Liliana's Caress - 4 Manamorphose - 2 Pyretic Ritual - 3 Shadow of the Grave - 4 Waste Not - 3 Dark Deal - 2 Collective Defiance - 2 Torment of Hailfire - 1 Past in Flames - 2 Dark Petition - 4 Reforge the Soul
1 month ago
MediSyntax I'm incredibly biased with Rain of Filth as I play an all in Gitrog deck (and RoF is B U S T E D when he's out), and I'd be definitely willing to try it! The rituals I find are so vital to the build, but you make a reasonable case about Mindslicer . At worst he's a 4/3 that stops all players attacking you, at best he forces all opponents to topdeck. This is great, so I see your point.
Imperial Seal is bad. It's a twice the price Vampiric Tutor that is susceptible to players hitting you with a Ghost Quarter type effect. I think it's ok if you've a Dusk Legion Zealot in hand, but otherwise it's more likely to be too slow - whereas grim tutor adds it to hand. I don't personally own an Infernal Tutor , but I'd be willing to test that out. On the topic of tutors - Mausoleum Secrets has been doing work. Often it's only necessary in slightly more grindy games, but if you Buried Alive with a mana spare you can often chain that into a Songs of the Damned and into a win via any buried alive combo.
Luckily I've not had the chance to aggressively mulligan for Leyline of the Void vs the other cEDH decks I've tested it, so the card's not tested it's milage... watch this space.
1 month ago
I can definitely understand feeling like Mindslicer is a little too feast/famine but I certainly would not cut it before cutting Dark Deal for the same reason. It’s great with Waste Not but at least Mindslicer can be reanimated/doesn’t draw your opponents any cards.
Lastly, if you’re looking for another ramp option, you may consider Rain of Filth . It can be risky but I have definitely used it to eke out that last little bit of mana to steal a game.
Dark Deal occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%