Front:Dowsing Dagger Flip
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(Transforms from Dowsing Dagger.)
: Add three mana of any one color to your mana pool.
Lost Vale Discussion
2 weeks ago
TheChrisWaits: Oh, man, it’s been amazing (in multiplayer). Give the plants to Player A, swing at Player B (often with a snake they don’t want to block), get Lost Vale untapped?? I usually manage to play, equip, and flip in the same turn. The ramp is great, and the plants are convenient places to stick -1 counters when my opponents don’t have creatures.
8 months ago
Out of the top of my head these are the ones I know Gilded Lotus, Doubling Cube, Lost Vale and Primal Wellspring can help aswell. And because you are playing mono-blue you can always have Clever Impersonator to copy any of the artifacts.
10 months ago
I think if you're going for the Fleet Swallower + Fraying Sanity win, it's probably right to focus on only that and take out the other mill cards. Both Navigator's Ruin and Compelling Argument are much, much slower mill options and they actually make Fleet Swallower less effective on its own since there will be less cards in the opponent's library already. :P
Instead, you could add much more card draw to get to Fleet Swallower and Fraying Sanity quicker. If you want to keep the unblockable creature aspect (it kind of splits your win conditions, but I see the appeal) you could go up to 4 Curious Obsession and add 4 Chart a Course for great, cheap card draw, plus maybe 1-2 Pull from Tomorrow to use all the Lost Vale mana on.
It could be a fun option to have a transformational sideboard into mono-U aggro, as in this list, with 4 Skyship Plunderer, 4 Siren Stormtamer (also a consideration for maindeck as it can protect the Swallower), 4 Unsummon, Cartouche of Knowledge, etc. That way people who bring in anti-mill cards will be stranded with useless cards.
A word of advice, though - one advantage of mill strategies is usually that they're creatureless and blank a lot of opposing removal. You'll find this deck is kind of torn between combat damage and milling the library. But the two card win in Fraying Sanity + Fish alleviates that somewhat.
10 months ago
Shits and gigs you should see if you can work in Dowsing Dagger. With a swarm of bodies you would likely get it to flip into Lost Vale giving you ramp to accelerate your deck or even get it to flip using the flyers. Also when it flips its ready to tap for 3 mana right off the bat so it help with having mana open at times and keeping a solid pace.
11 months ago
TheDevicer I know that Lost Vale is legal but it doesn't become a land until it is transformed so therefore it wouldn't fit within their playgroup rules, Mishra's Workshop however, does. once again, it doesn't matter to me, I figured I would just throw in my two cents regarding special rules that Ive heard about as my own personal games only follow tournament specific rules and I usually only play modern or pauper. just thought it was an interesting idea that fit within the forum. I am glad that it could spark such conversation!
11 months ago
The problem with starting with a free land of your choosing is that there are still about a million ways you can abuse it. Even ones that aren't easy to spot. If you really wanted to, you could just cut down on the number of lands in your deck and put in more cantrips to artificially get you through more cards in your deck. This vastly increases a deck's average card quality even if the deck contains mostly the same cards.
11 months ago
right, im pretty sure they do it to help each other from blaming the game if they ever get screwed/flooded, so everyone gets to start with a land card on the field. it doesn't have to be basic but it does have to be a land, it cant be something that needs something else to happen to produce mana, so Library of Alexandria would work, while Lost Vale would not. when I originally posted, I thought sol ring was an artifact land and I was mistaken, I don't use sol ring all that often so I hope I may be forgiven this fox paws, faux pas for those that don't listen to chad daniels.
1 year ago
I mean yeah, if it can be any mana source to start out with, I don't see why I wouldn't be picking Lost Vale, Gilded Lotus, or Dreamstone Hedron. Library is strong, really strong, don't get me wrong, but three mana ramp from the start of the game is insane.