Front:Westvale Abbey Flip
|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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|Shadows over Innistrad (SOI)||Rare|
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Ormendahl, Profane Prince
Legendary Creature — Demon
Flying, lifelink, indestructible, haste
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Ormendahl, Profane Prince Discussion
22 hours ago
Mostly just Eldrazi Displacer. It was a fun combo deck with Zulaport Cutthroat and Brood Monitor, using Sidisi, Undead Vizier to tutor up your pieces. Also a great answer to Ormendahl, Profane Prince Flip
1 day ago
I'm going to miss Stasis Snare the most. It could hit just about any creature, could remove creatures with indestructible, and the flash was just icing on the cake. Being able to snare Ormendahl, Profane Prince Flip after flipping was so satisfying.
2 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
You have 6! colored mana sources.
If you want to activate Ormendahl, Profane Prince Flip, you will need 5 creatures (beside the 5 mana), without colored mana it will be problematic to produce them to say the least.
Since you have only 16 colorless creatures.
So lets do the math and see what chances you will have on t4(or on t5/t4 on the draw)
You will have 72,06% chance (or 75,48% on the draw, or on t5) to draw a single source of colored mana, up to this point...
You will have 12,04% chance (or 17,02% on the draw, or on t5) to draw 5 or more creatures!
Basically the deck will do nothing ~28% of the time (playing a few ornithopters for 5 turns is exactly that).
And it will struggle very hard to produce enough creatures if the opponent packs removal - as having 3 creatures blown up by turn 5 is not unusual, while this deck at best can only hope to create that many extra tokens, compared to the number of cards in hand (which could be creatures).
Tl;Dr - it desperately needs some extra colored mana sources, AND more token generators.
P.s.: There is no point in recurring Westvale Abbey Flip, with Crucible of Worlds, as a creature it has indestructible, if it gets removed, it will likely be exiled, thus having the ability to play it again from the grave is pretty useless.
1 month ago
All depends on your budget!
1 month ago
Never//Return might be a good choice, in that it is solid removal (comparable to Ruinous Path, and later let's you remove something from their graveyard AND get a zombie token. I really like how Dark Salvation also works as zombie generator and targeted removal. These help you control the board while also fueling your desire for zombie tokens. Downside is that they are sorcery speed.
And Rise from the Tides could potentially be a 1-of wincon after you have a lot of your instants and sorceries in the graveyard, of which you have plenty.
I disagree with Westvale Abbey Flip as useful here, unless you want to use it as a potential mana dump to make tokens if you end up with extra lands untapped. But at 5 and 1 life per 1/1 token (that isn't even a zombie), it's kinda not great here. If you've already generated enough zombies to transform it into Ormendahl, Profane Prince Flip, then that means either Lili or The Scarab God are already going well and you want to keep your zombie count high.
2 months ago
A card's color is normally determined by it's casting cost. Any black symbol in the casting cost, such as in Olivia, Mobilized for War's cost (she's black-red), will normally make a card black. If a card has a color indicator located left of the type line, like Ormendahl, Profane Prince Flip, it uses that to determine color instead (he's black). If a card has an ability that redefines it's color, like Bearer of Silence, it uses that to determine color (it's colorless). If an ability of a spell or permanent redefines color, like Rise from the Grave or Darkest Hour, that color is used instead of or in addition to the color(s) of the card. Rise from the Grave would make Thada Adel, Acquisitor blue-black, Darkest Hour would make all creatures on both sides of the field just black.
2 months ago
Note, however, that if Ormendahl, Profane Prince Flip dies, it leaves the battlefield as a creature. Therefore, you can pull off some recursion interactions with cards like Cauldron of Souls or Mikaeus, the Unhallowed. Things like undying and persist trigger when a creature dies, but they don't care if the card they return is still a creature while in the graveyard. They'll return the card with a counter of the appropriate kind; just note that they'll return Westvale Abbey Flip and not Ormendahl, Profane Prince Flip.