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Ad Nauseam Discussion
6 hours ago
I think I've commented on this before, but I'm curious as to just how fast you can consistently win on the spot? I'm familiar with all of the Ghave combos, being a Ghave player myself so no need to explain them. How well does your deck do in a Cedh environment? How fast can this deck consistently ramp out and be close to winning? My variant of Ghave is based around Ad Nauseam and Earthcraft . I play in an OP Cedh crowd, and I often think of adding more combos to fall back on, like the persist stuff. But I feel like it would slow my deck down a lot. I also notice you don't run the fast mana rocks so I assume you're not playing Cedh, but how fast can you consistently win?
3 days ago
You guys act like you can simply slot a card like DD without adding the other slew of highly expensive artifacts, lands and other Spells you need to properly storm off. As is this deck is completely not ready for cards like Doomsday , Ad Nauseam , or even Aetherflux Reservoir . I mean sure you can do Dramatic Scepter and jam a Reservoir but what does that even do without the rocks to back it up. This is clearly a budgetish grixis value list and I think it's just fine! Sure, If you'd like to add 3 duals, LED, Mox Diamond , Grim Monolith , Chrome Mox , Yawg Will, and (God forid Timetwister ) or whatever else (candleabra, tabernacle) budgetless cards that's fine and it would be much better obviously. The fact is you can't build a proper Kess list for under 1k.
4 days ago
The card Narset's Reversal should also be higher, but not much higher, maybe 8 out of 10. Anyone who plays this card is always looking for the mirror match. You play Ad Nauseam ? Me too. You are combing off right now? Hold on, I will respond by casting Narset's Reversal cast my copy of ad nauseum first, while nullifying your Ad Nauseam . You are playing Flash and Protean Hulk ? Me too. You casting flash? Hold on, let me stop you from winning. It also happens to combo with the new God-Eternal Kefnet as it too combos with Isochron Scepter , extra turn, commander. Lastly, storm loves this card, as it allows them to get two storm triggers, and make Bonus Round ridiculous. I agree with the initial assessment, but I believe it has far more applications and will be a serious contender for being a staple in the commander format.
5 days ago
I wanted to take this time to go over every card I think that will play a role in the EDH format from War of the Spark.
I will grade cards based on how many colors they require, how useful they are in how many decks, and will note where and why each could see EDH play.
Because there are 36 different planeswalkers, I think the planeswalkers are the proper place to start with this list.
The first ones I want to go over are the rare and mythic planeswalkers that will see play like the normal planeswalkers; value engines:
Liliana, Dreadhorde General - 9/10 - This card is a really good engine at 6 CMC in black. It has serious tribal synergies, aristocrats synergies, hits each player on the -4 (which draws you cards), and feels like a better Elspeth, Sun's Champion for black. It is worth it in most 75% black lists and any casual deck that can afford it.
Nissa, Who Shakes the World - 7/10 - Mono-green card? two color decks can use it too, but seriously a powerhouse. Mana doublers are always nice, and while green is perhaps already the best at ramp and so may not need it, but it does also untap a land per turn giving you ~2 additional mana, and the ultimate is insane. The issue with it as a mana doubler is that, being a planeswalker it can just die. It does, however protect itself. Seems possibly great, but probably just another really strong green ramp 5 drop.
Jace. Wielder of Mysteries - 7/10 - This card appears to be a normal Jace Phyrexian Arena effect for most mono-blue decks, but can be really strong givne you are a blue-black deck. If you can afford triple , I think using it with Demonic Consultation , naming a card outside of your deck so you exile your deck, then draw a card with Jace's +1, winning the game. It is a cheeky combo, but I see this card perhaps using it to win some number of games.
Nicol Bolas, Dragon-God - 6/10 - I know I am not super high on this card, but that mana cost is really the issue. Otherwise, it is a great walker once it hits, giving you huge card advantage, 4 cards in your favor with each opponent exiling and you drawing, and the static gives you a lot of advantage in a planeswalker deck or against them. It has removal, it has a lot. The ultimate seems... weak? Not bad, however.
Ugin, the Ineffable - 6/10 - Great walker for colorless decks. So far all of the colorless walkers has been good before, but they have been good outside of just colorless decks, however, I don't think that makes this bad.
Tamiyo, Collector of Tales - 5/10 - 2 colors makes this worse, and being singleton the +1 isn't great, but the static ability makes up for that a lot, giving it serious value. The +1 is self-mill, so you need a deck that can abuse that to get true mileage out of it. Even without, the -3 is Regrowth and I think is very strong. It feels about right for the mana cost, but need to be in a self-mill deck, or needs to be in a metagame wiht a lot of discard/sacrifice effects running around.
Vivien, Champion of the Wilds - 5/10 Green walker that draws you a card a couple of times maybe and has some flash use. It doesn't seem bad, but not something particularly powerful outside of green lists that need more card advantage or selection.
Chandra, Fire Artisan - 4/10 Red Chandra with card advantage. Static and ultimate seem medium. Not much better in many ways than the enchantment varients on this.
The more specific walkers that need a specific strategy are listed here. I rated them out of ten, only for decks in which they fit, like lifegain for Sorin, Vengeful Bloodlord .
Saheeli, Sublime Artificer - 9/10 - Stellar card for artifact decks with the loyalty ability. It works with numerous other archetypes, however, token strategies like Brudiclad, spellslinger decks that storm off and now have a token army to back it up, etc. It works in walker decks and protects walkers whenever you cast more. It is just really strong for its cost, which is very versatile.
Tezzeret, Master of the Bridge - 7/10 - A
Ajani, the Greathearted - 5/10 - Good in some W/G walker decks or some +1/+1 counter lists? Bad +1 makes this medium, and you can only use the -2 twice... Still strong as effects go and low cost.
Gideon Blackblade - 5/10 - A white-weenie aggro card that gets around your own sweepers, protects other creatures, and is really good with the -6 as well. Lifegain and other combat tricks aren't bad on this either.
Ral, Storm Conduit - 5/10 - A storm combo card, that has some value effects. It doubles spells and could be strong in some spellslinger lists.
Ob Nixilis,the Hate-Twisted - 4/10 - Good walker for Nekusar, not gonna see play much outside of that.
Sorin, Vengeful Bloodlord - 4/10 - Mass lifegain anthem effect, some targetted damage, and reanimation makes this pretty strong.
Sarkhan the Masterless - 4/10 - Good for dragon decks? Not really great in them, but can see play there.
Domri, Anarch of Bolas - 4/10 - REamp, anti-counter, and anthem effect. Not bad.
Here are the hate-planeswalkers, cards that aren't value engines, but reall like hate enchantments.
Narset, Parter of Veils - 10/10 - Not even bluffing, an effect like Notion Thief or Leovold that doesn't die to creature removal, this is mono-blue, gives you card advantage, and has a high loyalty for its mana cost. It could be really scary with Windfall effects.
Karn, the Great Creator - Becasue sideboards aren't allowed if a single player in the pod doesn't allow them I won't be going indepth with the Mycosynth Lattice combo. Liquimetal Coating is another combo that llows you to destroy lands with the +1, and can kill 0-mana artifacts. It is pretty powerful as a one-sided Null Rod too. Great anti-artifact card.
Ashiok, Dream Render - 7/10 - Anti-graveyards, self-mill or opponent mill, and anti-search? This card hates on a ton of really powerful effects, and is entirely one-sided.
Dovin, Hand of Control - 5/10 - Not a great stax-piece, but technically one. Feels anti-storm. Had benefits against voltron as well.
Teyo, the Shieldmage - 3/10 - You have hexproof, protects itself a bit, great in a deck that uses walls however.
Outside of walkers, there are a ton of other great cards, I will go over the following in sets of cards:
Blast Zone - 10/10 - Perhaps the best card in the set, there are extremely few decks I wouldn't put this in. It is a land that can hit any non-token, nonland, non-0-CMC permanent given some time, enters untapped, and taps for mana too, unlike Maze of Ith or other effects I'd argue are almost worse.
Emergence Zone - 7/10 - Bad flash enabler, but colorless and to all effects, beating Winding Canyon by enabling non-creatures. Enters untapped, for mono-colored decks that want this effect, no reason (mostly) not to run it and not bad.
Karn's Bastion - 6/10 - Needs to be in an infect, +1/+1 counter, or planeswalker deck, but it can do work. Sadly in a deck like Atraxa, I don't think it'd be great since colorless mana is hard to run in the landbase. Still good in numerous decks.
Interplanar Beacon - 4/10 - Strong for some walker lists, that is about it.
Mobilized District - 3/10 - Basically just a wall for some walker decks. If it gets to be free or 1 mana and becomes pretty worth it.
Bolas's Citadel - 10/10 - A huge engine, hard to cast, can fail with double land, but just wins games. Few black decks would miss this in the 75% or casual circles. Like a free-cast Ad Nauseam forever. Comboes with both of Sensei's Divining Top 's abilities.
Vivien's Arkbow - 7/10 - It lets you discard bad cards to hit creatures when you are losing steam and have tons of mana. Really powerful.
Parhelion II - 5/10 - I don't care that this isn't good... look at it...
Oh god I love this. Angellic Helicarrier of DOOOM!!!! <3
BTW the other 2 are bad in EDH
God-Eternal Bontu - 5/10 - Great in Aristocrats, can be really strong for draw, is really hard to kill.
God-Eternal Oketra - 5/10 - Great in some white decks like Karametra, would be a sweet commander with effects like Whitemane Lion , Kor Skyfisher , Stonecloaker , etc. to trigger her a ton of times. Sweet with Odric, Lunarch Marshal , with a token and her out all of your creatures gain doublestrike and vigilance!
God-Eternal Kefnet - 4/10 - Not sure where this fits? It is card advantage, and could work in some decks that draw on opponents' turns? I am not thinking this is a great card. Good Body and is pretty strong with the god invulnerability effect.
God-Eternal Rhonas - 4/10 - Green five-drops are often better than this. Not bad, just kind of not a strong ability. Good with other anthem effects as a finisher if you have some trample enabler.
Finale of Devastation - 9/10 - Reanimate and tutor a creature to the field? This seems incredible. Green Sun's Zenith that also reanimates a card is huge! Also, like instant win if you use it at x=10+
Finale of Promise - 7/10 - Also really strong, this card seems to be for spellslinging. Requires instants and sorceries to double up on freecasting, but is still good.
Finale of Glory - 6/10 - Big White Sun's Zenith at sorcery speed with huge benefit at x=10+. Seems strong? I can't say taht the vigilance on the tokens are bad, but being a sorcery it isn't hard to sweep.
The following cards are not part of a cycle:
Liliana's Triumph - 8/10 - A great removal spell that doesn't target creatures, players, and is instant speed. It is 2 mana, splashable, and gets around indestructible. If you run Lilianas, that is just gravy on top.
The Elderspell - 7/10 - Anti-walker, really good at what it does, and can be used in conjunction with other walkers to hit a fast ultimate!
Narset's Reversal - 7/10 - Just a strong counterspell option, that acts like a Remand or Venser, Shaper Savant with different upsides. Really strong because it gets around "can't be countered" cards, and copies really game-ending x-spells while bouncing them back at the same time. I expect tons of 2-for-1s with this.
Dovin's Veto - 7/10 - Better Negate at the cost of an additional color in its cost. Really strong, and will see tons of play IMO. U/W control variants will take this card and run it over other control decks for some serious power.
Deliver Unto Evil - 7/10 - Strong political card, godly with a Nicol Bolas walker. Feels like it could be breakable, but I don't know how yet.
Neoform - 7/10 - Strong tutor like Eldritch Evolution , doesn't exile itself, adds a +1/+1 counter, etc. I see it with +1/+1 counter decks, or just Simic Creature lists in general I imagine fetching Eternal Witness then recurring this then sacrificing E-Wit will become a common playline to go from 2 drop to 4 drop.
Ignite the Beacon - 6/10 - Walker decks will use this to great effect, but it just seems powerful for some non-walker decks that have a few. Instant speed I really think makes it good for control decks holding up mana for countermagic.
Single Combat - 6/10 - Really good sweeper in white, a color with a ton of really good sweepers, but still, it is strong and will go into a lot of white lists. Don't underestimate this in decks with 0 or just a few walkers/creatures, it gives you turns on many opponents.
Dreadhorde Invasion - 6/10 - Good in zombie tribal, otherwise on its own it seems... weak? It isn't bad, and as a value engine has potential in token and +1/+1 counter strategies, as well as just lists that want chump blockers each turn. Worse Bitterblossom for many decks. Where it shines in in combos with sacrifice outlets and Contamination !
Krenko, Tin Street Kingpin - 6/10 - New Krenko that isn't broken, but is less maan and is a great addition to any goblin deck, while making tokens? Sign me up! The flavor is dripping on this card, and it is a really good tribute to the Mob Boss himself.
Solar Blaze - 5/10 - Not exactly much better than Day of Judgment , and even Deafenning Clarion may be better in some decks, but for decks, with specifically higher toughness than power it can be a one-sided sweeper!
Massacre Girl - 5/10 - Black sweeper, good with big demons? I can't see this being insane, or even a big commander, but could make for a fun control commander, and I wouldn't be surprised to see this in flicker lists.
Domri's Ambush - 4/10 - +1/+1 counter, one-sided fight, hits walkers, instant speed? Seems strong as a budget removal spell in Gruul, but has capabilities in many other lists as a real piece.
Kasmina's Transmutation - 4/10 - Anti-commander enchantment, but unlike Darksteel Mutation , which doesn't leave chump-blocking on the table to kill it off, or even most removal spells, this one doesn't have that bonus. Good in budget blue decks, and will probably see a lot of EDH play in casual circles.
Arboreal Grazer - 4/10 - Strong in decks like Tatyova, Benthic Druid , big land-ramp decks or land-matters for it's 1 cmc effect. Chump duty after. Doesn't seem bad.
Dreadhorde Arcanist - 3/10 - Requires pump effects, self-mill, or a spell-slinging deck, and a lot of setup, and can be blocked without too much difficulty, but does have some power. Not sure where it fits.
This will be updated with ~30 more really cool cards from War of the Spark!
6 days ago
Thanks for some fo the recondmendations so far. I am aiming for around the $250 dollar mark. I currently have all of the cantrips, a single Pact of Negation , and a set City of Brass but that is it so far. I think that cards that seem most expensive in the deck, without being the most crucial, would be the lands(specifically the fast lands). Since Leyline of Sanctity will cost around 100, and most of the other crucial parts( Angel's Grace , Lotus Petal , Ad Nauseam , and Phyrexian Unlife ) Will probably be around 100. Where should I invest my remaining $50+, since a set of only 4 fast lands would really take most of that budget.?
6 days ago
6 days ago
I was wondering what you think could be removed or replaced to create a more budget friendly version of this deck. I really would like to be able to play an Ad Nauseam combo deck, but I do not have the budget to spend on a high tier version of the deck at the moment. I know some piece are more crucial than others, so I am looking for things that might be able to slide in a less competitive environment or can easily be replacements until I can acquire their competitive counterparts.
1 week ago
I'm not familiar with older meta's, but I do know how powerful Ad Nauseam and Necropotence can be. lol The deck has hella removal and is low to ground for nauseam, minus Gurmag Angler . Which I assume this deck generally casts for about 1 mana. But with necropotence exiling any discard and nauseam burning you for 7 if you draw into angler, I could see Death's Shadow being a better fit in its place if your budget allows. It's expensive, but man would it be good here.
Ad Nauseam occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.03%