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Creature — Sliver
All Slivers have "Sacrifice this permanent: Add (Black)(Black) to your mana pool."
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Basal Sliver Discussion
1 month ago
Ahem. So lets break down your question here, and i'll get right to answering it as best as I can:
"Im looking at the possibility of building a Sliver EDH deck (please dont hate). I dont know exactly what would be good tech for the deck."
So, when building a Sliver EDH deck know this: You are going . You have no other choice as all legendary slivers are 5 color. This is relevant only because you have to figure out the most expensive part of your deck which will be your landbase. But I'm getting ahead of myself. Lets look at your tech options:
Sliver Overlord is currently the most popular Sliver Commander/General, also it is the control oriented Sliver commander. If you pilot him, you should include cards that capitalize on it's second ability (i.e. Amoeboid Changeling and/or Unnatural Selection). Additionally, you would use cards that slow down the game as you would play a more attrition based strategy. I actually run this Commander, but I chose to build a midrage deck- the more "traditional" magic deck. Overlord works well in midrange as well as control, but it all depends on what appeals to you - do you want to lock down the game while you steadily populate the battlefield or do you want to ramp up and have a more flexible build that can win through different strategies?
Sliver Queen is the General for those who desire a combo win strategy. When the beautiful and incredible queen was first introduced, she was quickly paired with Heartstone + Ashnod's Altar. Such a lovely infinite sliver combo it was. But now, you have even more options in the form of Mana Echoes, Training Grounds or Basal Sliver + Heart Sliver + Gemhide Sliver. You get the idea. The best part however, is that Queen is so dynamic and incredible that she has been used as a general for non-sliver builds like superfriends. But i'm getting off track here. Queen decks are definitely the most competitive builds when it comes to Sliver EDH due to her being a combo piece herself, and thanks to the command zone you will always have ready access to her. On top of that, she makes blockers for next to no mana. There's a good reason why she's on the reserved list.
Now, certainly last but definitely not least you have both Sliver Legion and Sliver Hivelord making up the aggro based strats for Sliver EDH. These Generals may be simple, but they are incredibly powerful. The strategy would be rather simple with these two, as you would run alot of cards that ramp up the damage like Shared Animosity, Rancor etc. Quick little plays that add up quickly over time. If you have Sliver Hivelord in play, you could run alot more mass destruction. Oh, and true fact here: I a player outright scooped when I played Sliver Hivelord + Crystalline Sliver. Since you're running 5 color, you'll have access to all instance of them! Even better, look at the synergy between Ghostflame Sliver + All Is Dust. The slivers thought of everything at some point.
So really, that's a high level generalization of what directions you can go in when it comes to building a Sliver EDH deck. Please, let me know if you have questions as I'm always happy talk about Slivers.
2 months ago
SaltySpecula, you're right! I totally forgot about the left over from each use of the Queen's ability. For some reason, I was thinking of: Sliver Queen + Mana Echoes(or Basal Sliver) + Gemhide Sliver + Heart Sliver.
2 months ago
WilkerWilker, in case you didn't know each Legendary Sliver corresponds to a specific playstyle:
- Sliver Legion/Sliver Hivelord correspond to an aggro deck build
- Sliver Queen corresponds to a combo deck build
- Sliver Overlord corresponds to a control deck build
Since you are going in on an aggro style, that means you need to be swinging hard, and fast. I argue that you should cut a number of your more expensive cmc slivers, and include more ramp + mana rocks. I'd also argue that you should cut both Sliver Queen + Sliver Overlord from your deck. If you don't have the proper spells/creatures (i.e. Mana Echoes, Basal Sliver, Training Grounds...) to support ether card, why bother including them? I'd opt for cards like Descendants' Path, Aether Vial, Distant Melody, Tribal Unity, and the old school Coat of Arms. Just to name a few.
2 months ago
+1 for the Queen. I've never really been fond of planeswalkers, but it's good to see Slivers doing interesting things. One suggestion I offer is maybe building out the slivers a bit more:
- Basal Sliver + Sliver Queen + Dormant Sliver = draw your whole deck
- Paradox Engine + Gemhide Sliver + Sliver Queen = another infinite combo
- Heartstone/Training Grounds = always useful, and another infinite combo once Basal Sliver and Sliver Queen hit the field.
- Ashnod's Altar = a replacement for Basal Sliver
3 months ago
Thank you very much Whaletron, appreciate the kind words of encouragement. You're right, Ashnod's Altar would be a decent addition. Given the combo potential of Basal Sliver, a bit of redundancy would be just fine. Good call.
3 months ago
Thank you very much Whaletron, appreciate the kind words of encouragement. You're right, Ashnod's Altar would be a fine addition. Given the combo potential of Basal Sliver, a bit of redundancy would be just fine. Good call.
3 months ago
First of all, I am happy that there are some players out there willingly making a Sliver EDH deck. This warms my heart!
I'm seeing a few cards in here that I question, and want either a good explanation for, or a replacement. THese are:
Basal Sliver this card seems good. But I would argue against that. Since is not any mana that you can reliably spend on spells. Other than activating your commander's abilities. HOWEVER, it could combo off if you added a card such as Parallel Lives, Anointed Procession, Doubling Season or Primal Vigor. With which you can get an infinite amount of 1/1 slivers using Sliver Queen's spawning ability. Megantic Sliver could be a replacement.
The land base is quite a mess. But I guess it is what takes the hard on when it comes to budgeting decks. A 5 coloured edh deck is not easily or cheapily fixed. But I would suggest adding more of the tri-lands or some other random cheap duos.
All Is Dust is quite an odd addition. I would probably run an additional creature rather than this, since this is quite the explosive decktype. Coat of Arms, Door of Destinies or Obelisk of Urd fits better with the theme.
Nature's Lore and Skyshroud Claim does not really fit in with your budget manabase, since they can't grab any multicoloured lands other than stomping grounds. Search for Tomorrow or Sakura-Tribe Elder would be strictly better.
Mana Echoes is pretty neat. Please update me with how well it works out.
other cards I would consider adding:Sliver Legion a bit pricy, but SO good.
Harsh Mercy pretty nice piece of board wipe.
Patriarch's Bidding It's just too good not to.
Descendants' Path a free bonus sliver per turn? Sign me in.
Steely Resolve another Crystalline Sliver. Less mana intensive than Asceticism
Good luck with the deck!
3 months ago
I don't know if this combo will be of any use for you but it exists and it is cool:
Haakon, Stromgald Scourge + Basal Sliver + Skeletal Changeling + Bitter Ordeal. The changeling is a Sliver Knight, so you sacrifice it, getting two mana, then recast it from the grave with that mana, loop it a million times then exile everyone's libraries