Whenever an opponent casts a spell, that player loses 5 life unless he or she discards a card.
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Painful Quandary occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.02%
Painful Quandary Discussion
1 week ago
In making my Sygg, Tollfolk and Governor-Goddess Ephara Decks, I became very interested in turn-related effects, and that inspire this card, as well as Klothys, God of Destiny, who switches the way usually work, whereas most Gruul cards use green's might to accomplish red's free spirit, She uses Red's fury to express nature's law which green cares about.
Based on (Gerðr)[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ger%C3%B0r] in Kaldheim.
Khyrteh, Goddess of Polar Winter
Legendary Snow Creature - God
Protection from instants
You may cast Khyrteh, Goddess of Polar Winter
Whenever a player casts a spell at a time they couldn't cast a sorcery, that player loses 5 life.
At the beginning of your endstep, if you cast no spells this turn, search your library for a card, then shuffle your library and put that card on top of it and you gain 5 life.
This deck would use Eidolon of Rhetoric, Rule of Law, Curse of Exhaustion, Ethersworn Canonist, Oppression, Uba Mask, Tainted AEther, Desolation, Angelic Arbiter, Nullstone Gargoyle, and Painful Quandary effects to force my opponents to make difficult decisions. Bloodchief Ascension, Strionic Resonator, etc. would also give you more advantage from this ability.
Tax effects, like Thorn of Amethyst, Sphere of Resistance, Trinisphere, Lodestone Golem, Trinisphere, Nether Void, Glowrider, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Aura of Silence, Spelltithe Enforcer, Chancellor of the Annex and Feroz's Ban
Decree of Pain, Decree of Justice, Astral Drift, Death Pulse, Dirge of Dread, Eternal Dragon, Gempalm Avenger, Gempalm Polluter, Renewed Faith, Stir the Sands, Sunfire Balm and Abandoned Sarcophagus & Archfiend of Ifnir, also Oketra's Attendant, Undead Gladiator, Bloodsoaked Champion, Dread Wanderer, Nether Spirit, Nether Traitor, Reassembling Skeleton, Bloodghast, Angel of Sanctions,Anointer Priest, Sacred Cat, Dark Depths, Thespian's Stage, Shambling Vent, etc. to avoid 'casting' spells.
grand arbiter synergizes well... yeah...
I'm a stax player who got into the deck because of Death and Taxes, especially Mother of Runes, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben (Her printing got me into standard/formal play), Gaddock Teeg, and Iona, Shield of Emeria.
I really just made a card I wish existed...
I'd like to see another Kaldheim God!
4 weeks ago
We would recommend adding Library of Leng, so that you're not forced to (truly) discard when you do not want to. Teferi's Puzzle Box seems to make a lot of sense in this deck. Torbran, Thane of Red Fell makes Nekusar's damage dealing ability a lot more terrifying. We would also definitely consider additions like Wheel and Deal, Echo of Eons, Torment of Hailfire, Mindcrank, Psychic Corrosion and Painful Quandary. Last but not least, consider adding some tutors; your deck contains a few combo's that are not bound to go off all that often unless you can search for the necessary cards.
Cards we would recommend to drop from the deck would be:
- Kess, Dissident Mage; your deck doesn't contain enough instants and sorceries to make her addition worth it.
- Nicol Bolas, the Ravager Flip; this card doesn't do all that much for your overall strategy, is freaking expensive to turn into a planeswalker and it will almost never ult because he's a prime target for removal.
- Shocker; the idea is nice, but this creature is zapped off the field too easily by the time he starts to get useful.
- Capsize; not a bad card but some of the suggestions we have given above are worth more, considering your game-plan.
Hope this helped. Wkr,
Mrs. and Mr. NV_1980
1 month ago
Hey discipleofgary73! At first, let me thank you a lot for your feedback. It's very helpful.
Your theme suggestions are all really nice and I already tested some of them before to come up with the version presented there.
Those which didn't make the cut were the following ones: Pestilence Demon (a cool card, with the perfect flavorness, despite being too clunky atm for my meta - I'll add it to the maybeboard for more casual runs), Phyrexian Plaguelord (a pretty good creature removal I'm not convinced about being needed there / nice flavor tho), Pox (land hate always draws you a big target on the head in my pod, but still this could be a game-changing card that fits the theme and powers up Burning Sands / I'm definitely up to try it again), Torment of Hailfire (even if I like that card as one - if not maybe the one, the chosen one - of my favorites, I'm a bit bored of playing it all my decks containing Black - but you're right, it does make sense in there).
I do like the suggestion of Bubbling Muck as most of the deck is black-centered, I'll certainly make room for it. Pontiff of Blight also feels nice, but I think I already got too many mana sinks and don't storm off efficiently enough to use him at its best. Heartless Hidetsugu is an interesting one. It's some bonkers lifeloss outlet I'll always want in a Rakdos, Lord of Riots deck, not sure if it goes there though because of the redundancy it creates with just a bit better cards. Torment of Scarabs is good but one-sided, and generates some hate / I cut Painful Quandary for that reason so I doubt about it being better. Binding Agony is a weird card I actually didn't know it existed - it's like a cheap Repercussion onto one creature - which feels fair. With White enchantment recursion and infinite doll-combos it could be dope I second you on that, I'll see if I figure out a way where it could be nearly as effective there since it's surely an appealing tool.
Otherwise I also tried Black Market for some time, but preferred to run Revel in Riches over it given that it does allow me to generate other mana sources than only black ones. I'm still not really sure about it, but having both in the list feels redundant as the ramp for pestilence effects to occur asap wasn't the main problem I was facing through my few games. I might still reconsider it if things don't stand this way. It's not that cheap to play at 5ccm and doesn't make any difference with Revel in Riches at the attention it attracts from my playgroup removals.
Even if it's a bit sad, I've to admit that Garza is pretty much useless as it stands. Sometimes in long-term games where everyone is playing Control and exterminated the aggro players, I'm able to cast her and draw between one or two cards with her second ability, but that's all. I wish there was a way to make us of her without choosing to go for a typical Voltron strategy involving the Swords' package / Greaves / Jitte / etc. That being told, Kusari-Gama could be of use if I decide to go for more creatures. The whole new Sword of Sinew and Steel you also suggested enables me to deal with things actually out of my range and I might consider tuning up a bit the decklist for it. Scytheclaw is cool and fits the themes, I forgot about that card.
Smoke is overall a really good card, I just hope it doesn't turn the deck too much into a Staxxy one / feels pretty good against Saskia. I'm not fond of Counterflux but I guess it also could be useful against this annoying Pod dude. Fool's Demise is a card I never played because I always felt it was overcosted, but I might give it its chance for once and see what happens!
I'll let you know about future changes if you're interested, thanks again for your help!
1 month ago
Thalia, Heretic Cathar, Kataki, War's Wage, Spirit of the Labyrinth, Eidolon of Rhetoric, Rule of Law, Hokori, Dust Drinker, Painful Quandary, Oppression, Leonin Arbiter - and life effects - can really help you with D&T. Having played an Alesha version of hatebears. Its sort of stax like, mostly running a low powered creature count to keep the effects nice and stacked.
Luminarch Ascension can be a decent "win con", as if you opponents are unable to oppose you, you can just bash the girls in non-stop!
2 months ago
Nosema You wrote: "Hey, Thank you so much for responding. It was really helpful and I am close to finishing the deck but I REALLY like the idea of the Duskmantle Guildmage and Mindcrank combo. I was wondering whats the best way to trigger that. like the cheapest/easiest way for your opponents to all discard a card? Also do you try to play both at the same time or play 1 and then the other and risk it being destroyed? Thanks again!"
One strategy is to improve the mill technique. If you are playing different Counterspells than Didn't Say Please, Thought Collapse, Psychic Strike could be possible additions. Maybe consider Psychic Corrosion, Memory Erosion or Jace's Erasure, but I think those Enchantments are not in the theme of the deck.. Grisly Spectacle is better as a removal with mill, Jace's Archivist helps also the Notion Thief + Whispering Madness -combo. Pilfered Plans is card draw with mill.. so you have a nice pool of cards to choose from.
Another way is to get the Discard-Theme. Very annoying but also very effective. You still may play Windfall, Dark Deal and all those cards with such an effect. Painful Quandary is awesome but creates hate. A special combo could be High Market + Howltooth Hollow + Mindslicer if you are going deeper and deeper in the theme. Bottomless Pit, Oppression are fantastic cards. Bloodchief Ascension is so good for gaining life in the discard strategy, just think of this one.
In my opinion you play both cards, but you need some Counterspells in your hand. And you should have enough mana available..
2 months ago
So, generally with this commander you want elves and things that benefit from mass discard. Waste Not and Dark Deal would be excellent additions and synergize very well with your commander. I would move Megrim to the mainboard and add Liliana's Caress. Painful Quandary is also a good addition. As for creatures Priest of Titania is one of the strongest elves ever printed and I will always play it in any and all elf decks. Mind Slash and Attrition are also super good with your commander due to the tokens you'll be making.
2 months ago
I also think that if you cut a few of the more expensive cards (ex: Kaervek the Merciless , Ward of Bones ) for more mana ramp ( Rakdos Signet , Talisman of Indulgence ...) you can get away with running just around 31 or 32 lands. That'll free up some more slots for low-to-the-ground burn. Overall I think the deck would improve by a lot if you lowered the average CMC to something like 2 or 2.5.
I don't think very highly of Dash Hopes , to be honest. Maybe your experience has been different than mine, but in general people will be perfectly happy to pay 5 life for a significant spell. You're probably better off running something that generates card advantage, like Commune with Lava or Light Up the Stage . Gamble isn't really card advantage, but I think you should run it if only for the selection. Same goes for Faithless Looting .
Harvester of Souls works pretty well as a top-end, I think. It gets you cards when your opponents sac guys.
Right. That's all I got. Good luck.