Painful Quandary

Legality

Format Legality
Tiny Leaders Legal
Noble Legal
Leviathan Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Modern Legal
Penny Dreadful Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Unformat Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Scars of Mirrodin (SOM) Rare

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Painful Quandary

Enchantment

Whenever an opponent casts a spell, that player loses 5 life unless he or she discards a card.

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Painful Quandary Discussion

Osbert on The Twilight Hours

1 week ago

If you want to go more aristrocrat style I would suggest adding Zulaport Cutthroat, Cliffhaven Vampire, Sanguine Bond, and Falkenrath Noble for more drain effects. Make the drain a really attainable goal with Wound Reflection, Painful Quandary, and other friends.

Heirloom Blade, Dark Prophecy, Grim Haruspex, and Midnight Reaper can help keep your hand healthy, Prophecy noticeably draws off of token deaths.

Demon of Dark Schemes usually has a problem where you run out of energy faster than mana and the new Teysa remedies this so he might be worth a look.

Maybe lean into the life gain route because each token with lifelink is a separate life gain trigger. Karlov of the Ghost Council, and Regna, the Redeemer slot well in here and have relevant abilities.

Oketra's Monument is decent ramp and a token producer to boot.

Crypt Ghast and Cabal Coffers are great includes in a deck with an Urborg. Run a few unlimited tutors to find one if you have the other.

Church_of_Rakdos on Your Donations Fund Satan's 9th Yacht

1 week ago

@Osbert You're right I do need to add more graveyard hate for sure. I really wish Leyline of the Void would get reprinted so I could justify buying one.

As for the ramp I am trying to be cautious since I am already at a point where my curve is pushing the high end.

The Goblin Assault was added as filler since someone made a suggestion that I needed to have something to help with my early game but cards like Tainted AEther would help with that problem.

I love the Oppression suggestion and maybe Painful Quandary (concerned about my avg cmc costs). If I did add enough discard, then I could add Archfiend of Ifnir but im not sure I want to really go full discard.

Your suggestions were useful though thanks for the help!

Osbert on Your Donations Fund Satan's 9th Yacht

1 week ago

Low creature count allows you to punish value recursion and go wide decks. Play AEther Flash, Tainted AEther, Pyrohemia, etc.

Neheb, the Eternal and Cabal Coffers are notably missing for mana ramp.

If MLD is acceptable in your playgroup you could run a few and play them when you stick a strong enchantment like Revel in Riches or Black Market to pull ahead. In that case play ones that destroy everything but enchantments like Obliterate and Decree of Annihilation.

No grave hate which is a bit dangerous. Run at least a Nihil Spellbomb, Rakdos Charm, and Bojuka Bog.

Fervor and Goblin Assault aren't doing much for you in a control shell. I could see the need for a token producer if you were playing Smokestack and friends but on your current build it only creates a suicide grunt.

If you want to pursue the discard route I suggest Oppression, Painful Quandary, and Words of Waste, Waste Not, and Myojin of Night's Reach. If you're going for reanimator I'd suggest Anvil of Bogardan as well to get the plays going faster.

Coward_Token on Yennett, Cryptic Sovereign Mild Stax

2 weeks ago

Kambal, Consul of Allocation & Painful Quandary seem on-theme for you

Bastion Protector? can obviously only help Yennet survive one Wrath

Authority of the Consuls is an odd, cheaper alternative to Blind Obedience you've probably already considered

Palladium Myr & Worn Powerstone are odd alternatives to the Signets; obviously depends on how little color fixing you're comfortable with

FenrisBurgess on Blaggro discard

2 weeks ago

Where's the Painful Quandary at?

Darkshadow327 on Cursed Army of Queen Marchesa

3 weeks ago

This is definitely an interesting take on Marchesa. Your CMC is pretty low for an EDH deck, you could probably go down to 37 or 38 lands. I would definitely recommend Painful Quandary, Debtors' Knell, and Grave Betrayal. They're some good control enchantments and can deter opponents from doing things (Painful Quandary specifically since they take a hit whenever they do something).

Best of luck to you on the future of this deck!

SynergyBuild on ♤That empty feeling♧

4 weeks ago

Well, when going for the CMDR kill, Mesmeric Orb is the card of dreams, where other cards aren't bad, like Vicious Rumors, they don't do enough to warrant me wanting their inclusion without the commander.

What should be kept is a lot of tutors, to fetch different cards, as well as a lot of ramp. Then a reasonably large hand disruption package, and finishing the deck off with some combos, and cards that do a ton to swing the board in your favor.


Unsure of your budget, and the power level you want, here are the cards I would add to increase the competitiveness of the deck:

Lands: Ancient Tomb, Gemstone Caverns, Bloodstained Mire, Polluted Delta, Verdant Catacombs, Marsh Flats

(On a budget? Do nothing with the lands!)

Tutors: Demonic Tutor, Imperial Seal, Vampiric Tutor, Grim Tutor, Cruel Tutor, Demonic Consultation.

(On a budget? Mastermind's Acquisition, Diabolic Tutor, Dark Petition, Behold the Beyond, Demonic Collusion, Demonic Consultation, Diabolic Revelation, Increasing Ambition, and Insidious Dreams)

Ramp: Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, Mind Stone, Thought Vessel, Charcoal Diamond, Lotus Petal, Everflowing Chalice, Chrome Mox, Mox Diamond, Coldsteel Heart

(On a budget? Mind Stone, Coldsteel Heart, Charcoal Diamond, Everflowing Chalice, Coalition Relic, Fractured Powerstone, Prismatic Lens, Fractured Powerstone, Thought Vessel)

Draw: Sign in Blood, Night's Whisper, Sensei's Divining Top, Scroll Rack, and Asylum Visitor (can top cards you don't want to discard), Library of Leng (tops cards you don't want to discard again... but in a different way), Necropotence

(On a budget? Sign in Blood, Night's Whisper, Read the Bones, Library of Leng, Asylum Visitor, Necropotence, Ancient Craving)

Stax: Sphere of Resistance, Thorn of Amethyst, Lodestone Golem, Damping Matrix, Chains of Mephistopheles, Trinisphere, Tangle Wire, Smokestack, Pox, Liliana of the Veil

(On a budget? use control elements like Doom Blade, and removal in black instead of stax, some of the more budget stax is okay, but generally the more layered stax the better, so the less the worse each is. Removal is a good replacement.)


Drops:

Vicious Rumors, Abyssal Nocturnus, Fell Specter, Guul Draz Specter, Herald of Anguish, Hypnotic Specter, Liliana's Reaver, Myojin of Night's Reach, Needle Specter, Scythe Specter, Sewer Nemesis, Stronghold Rats, Wei Night Raiders, Whispering Specter, Ghoulcaller's Bell, Darksteel Plate, Ordeal of Erebos, Raiders' Wake, Bontu's Last Reckoning, Anvil of Bogardan, Putrefaction, Painful Quandary, Megrim, Fraying Omnipotence, Rise of the Dark Realms, Torment of Hailfire, Liliana Vess.


Not sorry about the long comment ;)

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