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Temple of the False God
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Temple of the False God Discussion
1 day ago
Hello ^^ I haven't put my version in tappedout yet, but I'll do it as soon as I can! The changes I tried over your version are minimal for now. I'll list them one by one:
1) in Loyal Apprentice, out Young Pyromancer. The few times I've played pyromancer I haven't been impressed at all, while the apprentice have been an overperformer. Maybe it's a matter of playstyle, but I've come to appreciate haste a lot. I was also considering taking out Thorn of Amethyst so it's probably worth to have pyromancer instead, as cheap token producers are very good in this deck, although I'm still not quite sure if pyromancer scales as well as apprentice as the game goes on; apprentice topthers having haste and flying is huge to push in grenzo triggers.
2) Took off Moggcatcher for Glorybringer. As an standard red player I've been consistently impressed with the dragon. The way I see it, it's a heavy hitter, able to push in damage and get grenzo triggers on late game fast, that sometimes kills stuff. I haven't drawn it yet so I'm gonna consider this a flexible slot, and try some other alternatives over time. Stolen Strategy feels also like a good replacement for moggcatcher, as both are grindy cards.
3) took off Sandstone Oracle for Chandra, Flamecaller. I see why the oracle is here: helps catching up, can't be easily casted with our colorless fast mana, has a nice flying body, and can be quite grindy with Daretti, Scrap Savant or Goblin Welder. However, in my experience it rarely does enough if you are not in a dedicated Daretti deck. 7 mana is a lot and unless you have some player going crazy on the table, the draw etb is not that good if you can't consistently recurr it. The fact that it dies to artifact removal is huge too. Put in Chandra instead cause is 1 mana less, the 0 ability is a very consistent way to get you cards, the tokens she produces have haste and help with grenzo triggers (they are also great sac fodder, and as Spawning Pit has been super good the few times I've play it, I'm super happy to have more psinergy with it), they close games very quickly too. Chandra also is a board wipe in a pinch and very good to have in play when you Jokulhaups. I still haven't got to draw an play the card but as the deck generates lotta tokens to defend her, I feel it's gonna be decent, what do you think?
3) Alternatives to Mishra's Workshop. Put in Temple of the False God cause it felt similar, but it leds to some feel bad moments so I'm considering taking it off. Crystal Vein is always a mana source that can give you a burst when needed, and Scavenger Grounds doesn't ramp you but it's such and easy inclusion to hate on graveyards, something the deck lacks.
General considerations! Man I miss Chaos Warp so much in this deck. It's an answer to Ghostly Prison effects that are very bad for us, walkers that bolt can't hit, indestructible eldrazis, stuff that our damage base removal can't kill... I feel those represent the three things this decks is weaker against: ramp to big creatures strategies, dedicated token strategies (with green) and pillow fort. The last feels less problematic cause generally pillow forts are annoying to everyone on the table so other players are gonna also throw removal at them. But I feel we are kinda hopeless against lotta big dudes cause almost none of our removal can si anything about them and our creatures are to small to trade. Token strategies present a wall of chunk blockers that's hard to attack into, that eventually get very big and ran over you quite easily.
I'm putting cards like glorybringer or chandra in the deck to be able to disrupt those strategies and kill them as quickly as possible. I just wanna as much cards that can act as removal as I can get Xd so I have Mizzium Mortars, Subterranean Tremors and Umezawa's Jitte in my radar. The freaking jitte is in my binder looking at my with puppy eyes asking me to play it, such a great card, does so much! Bolt is the card I'd maybe take off for any of those but I'm still not sure at all. And sorry for the wall of text. I love the deck and I'm putting a lot os thought and work into it :P Tell me what you think. Did you consider any of these cards?
2 days ago
TheRedGoat: I'll keep those power boosters in mind, but I haven't had power issues since changing commanders to Traxos.
Struyk: Hexproof yes. Shroud, no. Once my commander has shroud, I can't target him to equip anything to him, which defeats my gameplan of loading him up.
Cippo: Sea Gate Wreckage is only in the deck once (you'll see this if you sort by Type). It's listed twice because it fills multiple roles within the deck (both as a Land and a source of card draw). I personally prefer Shrine of the Forsaken Gods over Temple of the False God because the Shrine always gives me mana. It sucks pulling the Temple in an opening hand or drawing it early game and having it be a dead land for the first few turns. You're absolutely right, I need a Metalworker in here... someday when budget allows.
Litdaze: Artifact board wipes are painful. Other than Warping Wail, I also have Darksteel Forge but that's about it. And yeah, I've increased the land count a bit. I find I have tons of ramp, just need to make sure I've got 2-3 lands to get me started.
Cereal_Killer: On their own, the Kaldra equipment have nice effects but are expensive to cast/equip. With 99 cards and very few ways to tutor any of them, I don't think I'll ever see the full set in play at once, which really lowers the value of them. Seems a better fit for a 60-card deck where you can include multiple copies (and have a smaller library) for a better chance of hitting all 3.
1 week ago
The next step is to make sure your mana ramp is in order. It is really important to have at least 10 ways to ramp, and with Atraxa, you might even want to add one or two more in the future. For now, you should stick to 10 so you can test the deck’s other components.
Something I noticed is that you had Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse counting as mana ramp cards. These should never be thought of as ramp. Mana ramping is taking any action that puts you ahead of the amount of mana you could have available if you only dropped lands. Evolving wilds counts as your land drop, and while it fixes your mana by going to get any color you need, it does not put you ahead on your amount of available mana. In fact, it puts you behind because it comes in tapped. Fixing is great and important in a four color deck, but the more lands you have coming in tapped, the more you’ll set yourself behind. You can still run a good amount of taplands, but having a good ramp package can help soften the blow. Once you get good duals, the ramp starts to work even better.
It is always of utmost importance that your ramp is both cheap and long-lasting. The biggest downside to not playing green is not being able to ramp mana as effectively. This is because the other colors have to resort to mana rocks and mana dorks, artifacts and creatures that tap for mana. Using ramp like this can be fast and effective, but you are always vulnerable to board wipes and removal. One Vandalblast will ruin anyone's day if all their ramp is artifact based. Luckily, you are playing green, so you should never have to worry about rocks getting blown up. All of your ramp should be land focused, unless you have a really good reason for using something more synergistic. It is kind of a widespread unspoken courtesy that people do not actively use mass land destruction in EDH. Sure, there are those that do, but WAY more people come ready to blow up all artifacts/creature/enchantments when they need to. This makes throwing extra lands out a safe way to ensure you get ahead on mana and STAY ahead on mana.
Let's go down all your ramp one by one and see what better options you have:
1) Cultivate is exactly the kind of spell you want to be ramping with. It finds two of your colors, puts you ahead on mana, and guarantees you'll make your next land drop. You would be hard pressed to find a multicolor EDH deck with green that doesn't want this card.
2) Darksteel Ingot looks good on paper, but 3 mana is a lot to pay for a rock, even if it gives you all your colors and is indestructible. The Ingot may have indestructible, but stuff like Merciless Eviction or Play of the Game don't care anyway.
REPLACEMENT: There are, however, reasons to want 3 CMC ramp cards. For instance, Cultivate is so good, it didn't need a replacement. It is SO good, that you actually should use it's twin Kodama's Reach to replace the Ingot. It may seem like the flexibility of Ingot adding any of your four colors is worth it, but something like Kodama's reach, when working with a good mana base, can actually be more effective, because it can give you two of the colors you need simultaneously, instead of giving you access to one at a time. That's on top of being land based rather than artifact based.
3) Fellwar Stone is where we start to make exceptions for rocks based on power. In a 4 player game, Fellwar almost always taps for any color you need. The power of a rock skyrockets when it costs less than 3, can tap for multiple colors, and can be used right away. This one is a great call, and its benefit in the early game will outweigh it's vulnerability to mass artifact destruction.
4) Golgari Signet is a great rock, but not being able to tap right away and only getting two of your colors makes it not work as great as land based ramp. Keeping most of your ramp to 2 CMC will help you cast 4 drops (Like your commander) on turn 3. It also means you could be more likely to cast two ramp spells on the same turn and start flying ahead. It also means you could ramp and still have room to cast other spells. That kind of advantage doesn't seem like much, but it makes turns worth of difference.
REPLACEMENT: To keep this slot to 2 CMC, the best option would be Farseek. It can grab any Plains, Island, or Swamp and put it into play tapped. This will become super important once you acquire dual lands that have basic land types because it can go get a Plains/Forest or an Island/Swamp, giving you access to two more colors instead of just fetching a basic land.
5) Khalni Gem is just straight up bad unless you have a reason to bounce lands to your hand. 4 mana and returning two lands is way too steep a price. It doesn't even put you ahead on the turn you play it. On top of that, it can only add one color at a time.
REPLACEMENT: Rampant Growth is a shoe-in here. 2 mana, gets any color you need. It only gets basics, but that is fine as long as your mana base is built right and you know your deck well.
REPLACEMENT: So this is a case where you can make a replacement that ignores the downfalls of the original card by being super synergistic with your deck. Might I introduce you to Astral Cornucopia! It will most of the time cost 3 mana just like Manalith, and tap for any color just like Manalith, but every time you proliferate, it will tap for more mana. This can get WAY out of hand with all the proliferating your deck is trying to do. You may find it becomes too hot of a target for removal, but the benefit here is super unique to your deck and is worth running until your playgroup starts to hate it out of existence.
REPLACEMENT: Another easy 2 CMC option to slot in here is one of the best ramp spells you can have, Sakura-Tribe Elder A.K.A. STEVE! It is basically Rampant Growth on a creature. This makes it crazy good because you can play it and have it out as a blocker, sacrifice it after it blocks, and go get your land. You can sac it on the end step before your next turn after playing it and basically see the same benefit as a Rampant Growth, but with the added benefit of having had a creature out that whole time. Hell, if you don't need the land and would rather have a blocker, keep him out longer and sac him in response to anything that would kill him or exile him. On top of that, it could be something you give infect to in a pinch. Master Biomancer could even make him huge when he enters. Any powerful effect that can be stuck on a creature adds so many benefits, you'd be hard pressed not to want it.
8) Sol Ring is always amazing. Nuff Said.
9) Temple of the False God is pretty awful in a four color deck. It can make your opening hands terrible, and shouldn't even really count as a land in most cases. If you're not counting it as a land, then it should fall into the ramp category, but in this case it ramps you one mana ahead, but gives you no colors, and replaces your land drop. On top of that, it wont work until turn 5 at the earliest. This is will be a feel-bad card a lot of the time.
REPLACEMENT: Harrow is ridiculous good. It costs 3 mana, but leaves you with 2 more mana to use after it resolves, effectively making it cost 1. Sacrificing a land is a small price to pay to go get two lands and have them come in untapped. It can fix your colors, put you ahead, and allow you to cast more spells that turn. Basically all the good gravy.
10) In order to make the 10th ramp slot, another cut will have to be made. As cool a Plague Myr is in the deck, I think it is best to consider that most of the time it will just be a 2 mana 1/1 with infect, because you'll want to spread those poison counters. When you do need it to be a mana dork, it might not even give you the colors you need. This kind of low impact is not enough to justify crippling your ability to ramp effectively, so for now it should go to your maybeboard. I would continue to keep it in mind in mind for the future if you feel another 2 cmc infect creature might as well become something that taps for mana occasionally. For instance, this could come back in to replace black mamba in the future if playtesting deems it viable.
REPLACEMENT: There a few really great options left. Chromatic Lantern is going way down in price due to the upcoming reprint, so I would definitely have that at the top of the list for this slot. For now however, you can stick to a land based ramp spell that I can mail to you. Nature's Lore is fantastic because it costs 2, searches for a Forest rather than a basic land, and puts the Forest in untapped. This means it can go get dual lands with forest as one of their two types, or even something crazy good for your deck: Murmuring Bosk. Nature's Lore should take priority over rampant growth once you have enough good duals, but for now, Lantern and Rampant work better together.
If you get Lantern, don't use nature's lore until you have enough duals to make it worth replacing rampant growth with it. If you don't get Lantern, Use both Nature's lore and Rampant Growth.
These changes should make your mana much smoother and more effective in the long-term, as well as allow you to cast most anything when you need to. Continue to think about whether you should add 1 or 2 more after you've play-tested a bit.
1 week ago
If your maybeboard consists purely of cards you own/can obtain, these are my suggestions:
- Submerged Boneyard --> Sunken Hollow
- Meandering River --> Prairie Stream
- Dismal Backwater --> Drowned Catacomb
- Forsaken Sanctuary --> Hallowed Fountain
- Tranquil Cove --> Temple of the False God
- Jwar Isle Refuge --> Exotic Orchard
- Scoured Barrens --> Esper Panorama
- Arbiter of the Ideal --> Eldrazi Displacer
- AEthermage's Touch --> Coalition Relic
- Dead Reckoning --> Conjurer's Closet
- Lavinia of the Tenth --> Kaya, Ghost Assassin
- Mastery of the Unseen --> Eerie Interlude
- Haunted Crossroads --> Gonti, Lord of Luxury
1 week ago
I have everything that comes with the Original Pre Constructed Subjective Reality deck, and everything inside the maybe board are all things that i can either afford or actually own.
I dont get a ton of chances to play commander other than 1 or 2 games on the weekend, but i want to get this deck all polished up before my friend holds a party that will be hosting Commander as one of the for fun events at his party. My biggest problem is that i lack the ability to polish decks when i am new to the format, and im feeling just as lost as i was when i started in standard.
if it helps, the cards i own on the Maybe Board are Gonti, Lord of Luxury, Kaya, Ghost Assassin, Esper Panorama, Temple of the False God, Venser, the Sojourner, Augury Adept, Oath of Teferi, Council of the Absolute, Sunken Hollow, Unknown Shores, Prairie Stream, Spell Queller (might have more but thats all i can remember off of the top of my head.
1 week ago
Hello ^^ I built this deck in paper with some proxis to play with my friends, and i'm very excited about it :D I cut mishra's workshop tho, cause i cannot realistically expect to get, and put Temple of the False God in its place instead, although i am also considering Crystal Vein there for ramp, or Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle and Geier Reach Sanitarium cause value. Besides that, i'm playing exactly the same decklist as you, and i'd love to read your thoughts on some cards i think might be good in the deck:
Glorybringer it's kind of a hasty evasive repetible flametongue kavu for 1 more mana. Haste and evasion is relevant to get to goad or exile some cards from opponents. I know costing extra mana is huge. What do you think?
Loyal Apprentice maybe this card flew under your radar cause it came out in august, but the few times i've played it seemed super good with low to the ground commanders. The fact that she pops out thopters with haste is huge, so you can get immediate value from her with grenzo in play. She and her thopters also have haste so it could help speed up the game, which could be good considering this deck has no haste enablers. I was considering put her in instead of Young Pyromancer cause i feel the psynergy with grenzo is better, although more volatile. Young pyromancer seems like adds more value on average, but with a lower cealing. Another card i considered to cut is Moggcatcher, as it's slow, but i'm still not sure if the loss of one tutor would damage the deck.
The last card i wanted to show you is Stolen Strategy, also a fairly recent one. I see this as a "catch-up" card on theme with the deck that helps to recover after a board wipe. Like Outpost Siege would do but on steroids. The problem i see is that this effect for 5 mana feels inefficient and the fact that doesn't let you play lands is kind of an issue.
That's all ^^ i'll be testing the deck and see how it goes. For now i had a bunch of 1vs1 games with and one multiplayer that was a blast, although my attackers only exiled lands with the grenzo triggers xd Thank you very much for putting so much effort in this list, explained it and showcasing it. I really wanted to have a good grenzo deck and i felt kind of helpless to build it.
1 week ago
One more thought, drop the Ancient Tomb for a Temple of the False God you're running enough ramp and lands that having the Temple be a dead drop is unlikely and you don't have to deal with the life lost to the Tomb
1 week ago
Continuing from above...
Given Bruna's high CMC you're usually tapped out after casting her. I'd recommend some of the cards below to ensure you get to attack with her next turn.
All the above have alternate ways to cast them even when you're tapped out.
I'd replace all the lands that enters the battlefield tapped with those that enters untapped.
Cavern of Souls ensures Bruna can't be countered.
Hallowed Fountain will be reprinted soon along with the other fetches so it's timely to grab one for cheap!
You can also consider the relevant Panoramas. Bant Panorama and Esper Panorama fetch both island and plains. It's slightly more versatile than Terramorphic Expanse and Evolving Wilds as the former an be tapped for and crafted only when we need that colored source. The trade off is of course the activation cost.
Hope you find my suggestions useful!