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Whenever a creature you don't control dies, return it to the battlefield under your control with an additional +1/+1 counter on it at the beginning of the next end step. That creature is a black Zombie in addition to its other colors and types.
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Grave Betrayal Discussion
23 hours ago
1 day ago
Oops, I didn't notice that Grave Betrayal set up a delayed triggered ability instead of returning the creature on resolution. Rhadamanthus is correct, as my answer was based on the ability returning the creature right away instead of much later as it actually does.
1 day ago
You won't be able to do both. Patron of the Vein exiles the card as the triggered ability resolves but Grave Betrayal sets up a delayed trigger that won't try to return the creature to the battlefield until the beginning of the end step. No matter what order you put the triggers onto the stack, the card will be in exile long before Grave Betrayal tries to look for it again. It will only look in the graveyard, since that's the first public zone the object moved to as it triggered the ability. The card won't be returned to the battlefield from exile.
1 day ago
Love the theme dude, very flavorful +1. Still I would try to utilize your commanders ability to a point that it gives you a big advantage.
- Crumbling Ashes
- Nest of Scarabs
- Blowfly Infestation
- Contagion Engine
- Grave Betrayal
- Skyship Plunderer
- Hex Parasite
Even though these cards are less flavorful, they give your commander more purpose and it also creates a secondary theme to the deck.
I would also go more with a control set up for this deck but that's a matter of opinion I guess. I would definitely run these:
- Engulf the Shore
- Hero's Downfall (a way better Murder)
- Sudden Spoiling
- Cyclonic Rift
- Phyrexian Arena
- Coastal Piracy
Last note, proliferate is really good with your commander, you can abuse it easily with the cards I've enlisted above.
Still love your theme and the concept, this is only how I would tweak the deck.
1 day ago
When a creature an opponent controls dies, both abilities will trigger (neither are replacement effects, so you don't need to worry about that). You get to choose the order the triggers get put onto the stack as you control both, so you can put Grave Betrayal on top and get the creature onto your side, then resolve Patron of the Vein to get the +1/+1 counter, though Patron will fail to find the creature to actually exile the card.
1 day ago
I'm wondering if I can still return an opponent's creature to the battlefield under my control from Betrayal after exiling it to get the +1/+1 counter on Patron, but my guess is that Betrayal would fail to find the creature in the expected zone (opponent's graveyard) and the delayed trigger would fizzle. Not sure if the exile would affect it though, since it's not a replacement effect.
3 days ago
Some more cards that help you "borrow" cards:
1 week ago
Gonti is one of my favorite commanders to use. There are other creatures and cards you can use if you're going for the theft and greed gimmick