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Whenever a creature you don't control dies, return it to the battlefield under your control with an additional +1/+1 counter on it at the beginning of the next end step. That creature is a black Zombie in addition to its other colors and types.
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Grave Betrayal Discussion
3 days ago
goldlion, thanks for the compliment! Kresh the Bloodbraided has been on my to-do list for a long time now, he always seemed like he'd be fun to pilot. Let me know how your Marchesa, the Black Rose deck turns out, I'm always interested in seeing other folks' builds.
I've been on the fence about Grave Betrayal for a while now. The effect is absolutely stellar, and it certainly would fit the theme of the deck. But the steep cost of 7 CMC has me wondering if it would be worth the mana. The only cards in the deck that are above 6 CMC are Razaketh, the Foulblooded, Expropriate, and Insurrection. I'm not even too sure about Razaketh, the Foulblooded's inclusion, since it still takes me another turn to play the Expropriate or Insurrection that I'd find from his ability. If I end up cutting Razaketh, the Foulblooded, I'll most likely put Grave Betrayal in there, since it is such a rockin' card. I just like Razaketh, the Foulblooded because he's a sac outlet and a life drain, so I can use him to ensure Marchesa, the Black Rose's Dethrone ability triggers.
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll definitely have to put some thought into swapping something out for Grave Betrayal.
PS: Reef Worm has been an absolute all-star in this deck. I would fully encourage its inclusion in just about any Marchesa, the Black Rose deck. Once I have a consistent way of putting +1/+1 counters on it, it gets outta control pretty quickly.
Thanks again for the thoughts and suggestion!
4 days ago
Nice! I've got a Maestro Fresh Kresh that steals and sacs people creatures (to beef attack, then beef Kresh), and a Lazav, Dimir Mastermind for stealing them permanently. I have a Marchesa, the Black Rose card, but if I went the same route, I don't think my playgroup would include me anymore... So, I'm just making her into a Janky madness deck.
5 days ago
I run a Gitrog deck and I feel like, without more land and land based synergy, he might be an expensive and risky card draw engine.
I highly recommend Black Market. I run it in a 3 colour (Ghave), and it's pure power when you've got a lot of sacrificing going on.
On top of Grave Pact and Dictate of Erebos, which you have, my Maestro Fresh Kresh deck runs Desecration Demon to leverage my sacrifices against my opponents. These engines with a Grave Betrayal in this deck could give you a bunch more goats for the alter, limited to how fast your opponents are putting them out :).
There's some serious power cards in here, it seems like a pretty deadly deck!
5 days ago
In your description you say, "in case our creatures end up dying we run a small recursion package" and include Grave Betrayal. It doesn't recur your creatures unfortunately...just their's.... but, with the +1/+1 counter added on, it is indeed busted with [Marchesa, the Black Rose]!
After building a few EDH decks that are a little overpowered for some of my meta, I decided to build a madness deck with Marchesa.
She's a fun commander to build around and I could see this being enjoyable to pilot.
3 weeks ago
I need some help deciding to remove some cards to make it 100 cards commander legal, it’s 105 right now.
Throw me some ideas to add or replace cards too. Feel free to criticize me, tell me if there should be changes. First time really trying to put a deck together. I think I’m having mana and creature cost issues? I’m not sure? Thanks!
1 month ago
- Aether Poisoner
- Deathspore Thallid
- Doomed Dissenter
- Marionette Master
- Marsh Flitter
- Myr Propagator
- Myr Sire
- Pitiless Plunderer
- Skirk Ridge Exhumer
- Skirsdag High Priest
These are all token generators I found that don't need any assistance but there are other things to think about. That Cmdr says "whenever a creature with power 1 or less dies return it to play under YOUR control". So this is where you can get creative and simply make your opponents creatures power 1 or less and kill them to bring them back to play under YOUR control.
So right away the first thing I think of is how can we turn your Cmdr into a Grave Betrayal! So cool.
- Sorceress Queen
- Island of Wak-Wak
- Sudden Spoiling
- Battle at the Bridge
- Death Wind
- Kagemaro's Clutch
- Liliana of the Dark Realms
- Nightmarish End
- Nightshade Seer
- Toxic Deluge
- Black Sun's Zenith
I'm sure this is plenty for now I hope this helps
1 month ago
Does Grave Pact work with tokens, because as far as I know they don't hit the graveyard. Maybe replace it with Grave Betrayal because that way you can take advantage of your opponents creatures dying
1 month ago
Really nice deck tech - Thanks!
I would consider swapping Lazav, Dimir Mastermind with The Scarab God (came out after this deck tech) as the commander for this deck. Why? Because I think this deck needs more evasion and focus on Lazav, Dimir Mastermind as a Voltron. But the deck tech as is, is spot on for a control build with The Scarab God . You focus on getting cards into the graveyard which is also perfect for The Scarab God and he don't need the evasion. Kill him and he gets back to the hand. Your ETB creatures does not get double effect from Lazav, Dimir Mastermind they do with The Scarab God and Wight of Precinct Six will just get more fun when The Scarab God calls him back as a +4/+4 zombie
The zombie effects from cards like Necromantic Selection, Rise from the Grave, Grave Betrayal, Lim-Dul the Necromancer, Overseer of the Damned fit very well into the The Scarab God theme.
A few budget suggestions:
- Ancient Excavation
- Demon of Dark Schemes
- Fleet Swallower
I'm brewing on a on not so budget deck - with the awful name: It's alive! It's alive!. I have more focus on steal and clone effects than milling, because I feel more in control with that style :-)
Btw. a really evil combo is tapping Jace's Archivist and then flashing in Notion Thief >:)