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Demonic Collusion Discussion
5 days ago
Would a Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx, fit the budget?
I was also wondering about more tutors. Have you tested with many?
1 week ago
Wow! Fascinating idea for a deck! Don't know your budget at all but here we go!
My suggestions: Neverending Torment is not a good win condition. I prevents only you from casting spells, meaning the other players will tutor up cards and beat you. I personally don't think you'll ever win a game this way.
Here's what I think you should do. Take it how you will.
Add: indicates commander staple, because I know you're new :)
This will protect the most important part of the deck, and the linchpin of your strategy.
Then, the #1 suggestion I have for you and the one I want to to try even if you ignore everything else: Ob Nixilis, Unshackled.
Do you see it?? That's 13 life each turn. That's a four turn clock. With enough protection no one will be able to stop you.
Want to double down? Add Strionic Resonator*. That copies Ob's ability, now you're hitting them for 23.
Triple down? Wound Reflection. Kill someone, and watch everyone else tremble in fear.
How do I get these combo pieces, you ask? Easy.
BOOOOOOOOOOM. Necropotence has a huge down side that's MITIGATED BY YOUR COMMANDER. Think about it. Draw all your cards at the cost of you're life, your opponents are stuck with 3-4 and you have 20. You win by sheer card advantage.
Ad Nauseam is another way to get around the inability to draw. Very very strong.
How else do we get stuff we need? Tutors.
Now what about all the cards in their hands and their tutors? Discard.
After that, we punish them further for having so few cards.
Shrieking Affliction this with ob is 16 damage per turn, that's a three turn clock!
Tree of Perdition will out right kill someone with Ob and Maralen out. Take out the strongest player and pick off the rest!
I know this is a lot to take in... honestly I hope you don't use it all because now I'm gonna make a deck with her...
1 month ago
I'd say the transmute cards would be worth running over cards like Razaketh's Rite and Demonic Collusion, just because they are cheaper to cast, which means it gives you a better chance of actually casting the card you tutored for that turn, which could mean the difference between comboing off and winning, or waiting a turn and having a piece removed and being back to square one.
1 month ago
Hello! I want to thank everyone who has helped me so far; I've gotten a lot of great feedback and my deck has improved a lot.
I realize I might be flooding the forums a bit so this'll be my last post for a while.
As stated, the deck has come a long way and has really found it's shape. Now its all down to the nitty-gritty details, so all opinions are welcome!
Commander / EDH*
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First off, I need to find a slot for Necropotence. Obviously it's very good so basically any spot, but still, need to find my weak links.
Also concerned about if I have too much high cmc recursion and if I should cut it down. Perhaps find more recursion that goes with Zur?
Need some more boardwipes but don't know what section to to take out of for space.
Should I cut the Stonybrook Schoolmaster Combo altogether? I like it though...
Thanks in advance for any help!
1 month ago
The deck in question is IntruZur Alarm | Zur EDH.
Zur the Enchanter helps a ton in the tutor department, but he can't grab everything.
The tutors I have so far are: Diabolic Tutor, Razaketh's Rite, Recruiter of the Guard, Open the Armory, Demonic Collusion, Enlightened Tutor. Please note that I'm only running the handful of $10 tutors because I already had them.
Now, this seems like a decent tutor package to me. But I wanted to know if there are any other budget tutors that might be slightly better. Also I suppose a good question would be: How many tutors should I run? Is 6 enough? Too many? Hopefully looking at the decklist and my beginnings of a primer will help you determine that.
Additionally, I've come across the Transmute ability and wanted to know what you all thought of it. Sub-optimal of course, but budget. Clutch of the Undercity, Dimir House Guard, Dimir Infiltrator, Dimir Machinations, Drift of Phantasms, Muddle the Mixture, Perplex, and Shred Memory all get one or two of my pieces, and have the added flexibility of being normal spells. Are any of these worth running over, say, Demonic Collusion or Razaketh's Rite?
Would love to hear any thoughts/opinions! Thanks in advance!
1 month ago
The classic method is to just try to get your Battle of Wits on the battlefield as soon as possible. I was curious, so I made a list of modern cards that can find it:
- Archmage Ascension
- Beseech the Queen
- Bringer of the Black Dawn
- Dark Petition
- Demonic Collusion
- Diabolic Tutor
- Disciple of Deceit
- Enduring Ideal
- Idyllic Tutor
- Increasing Ambition
- Liliana Vess
- Planar Portal
- Planar Bridge
- Razaketh, the Foulblooded
- Razaketh's Rite
- Ring of Three Wishes
- Rune-Scarred Demon
- Sidisi, Undead Vizier
- Tamiyo's Journal
2 months ago
First I recommend taking out: Havengul Runebinder, Cemetery Recruitment, Undead Alchemist, Nantuko Husk, Geralf's Masterpiece, Geralf's Mindcrusher, Ashes of the Fallen, Perpetual Timepiece, Secrets of the Dead, Ancient Excavation, Murder, Compelling Deterrence, Liliana's Mastery, Obelisk of Urd, Graf Harvest, and Zombie Infestation, Ghoulcaller's Chant,
Cards that you should put in: Gravecrawler, Gravespawn Sovereign, Gray Merchant of Asphodel, Grave Pact, Unholy Grotto, Sidisi, Undead Vizier, Living Death, Cryptbreaker, Death Baron, Phyrexian Reclamation, High Market, Corpse Harvester, Balthor the Defiled, Reassembling Skeleton, Skullclamp, Grave Defiler, Graveborn Muse, Zombie Apocalypse, Crypt of Agadeem, Geier Reach Sanitarium, Reliquary Tower, Bojuka Bog, Diabolic Intent, Patriarch's Bidding, and Demonic Tutor.
If you are really trying to stay Timmy with the deck, then I won't recommend Phyrexian Altar because it goes infinite with Gravecrawler and any kind of death/ETB trigger, but then again, it does it with Rooftop Storm and a sac outlet too.
Other cards that can be really good in zombies include: Sheoldred, Whispering One, Corpse Connoisseur, Zombie Trailblazer, Twilight's Call, Geth, Lord of the Vault, Demonic Collusion, Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet, Scourge of Nel Toth, River Kelpie, Phyrexian Arena, Attrition, Kokusho, the Evening Star, Burnished Hart, Disciple of Bolas, Harvester of Souls, Damnation, Rune-Scarred Demon, Phenax, God of Deception, Beacon of Unrest, Corpse Augur, Palace Siege, Infernal Caretaker, Contamination, Plague Belcher, Vengeful Dead, Dread Wanderer, Boneknitter, Grimoire of the Dead, Pontiff of Blight, Custodi Lich
2 months ago
Might be loose, but for Demonic Collusion could help tutor and dump what you want to reanimate?