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Dark Ritual occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 1.2%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.08%
UBR (Grixis): 0.69%
Dark Ritual Discussion
18 hours ago
Hey, some good cards here for a budget concept.
The concept of ramp with Kess is interesting. It's not the direction I would go with Kess, but it's a unique concept. The Thraximundar + It That Betrays interaction seems good. For the concept this interaction and Architect + Pili infinite mana combo are the best parts of your deck. Consider expanding on each of these parts and how Kess can be better used with them?
Kess has an advantage for ramp with rituals. Rituals make mana when they resolve. They make more mana than they cost to cast therefore they make ramp. You can cast instant or sorcery rituals from your graveyard with Kess resulting in making a lot of mana to cast big creatures or other spells. You can use the mana you make with rituals to cast that same ritual again from your graveyard with Kess.
Rituals to consider adding:
These are good rituals in Commander and they're all budget cards. Dark can make 5 black mana when cast and then cast again with Kess. Song can make 7 red mana when cast and then cast it again with Kess. Geyser is good in multiplayer Commander because it looks at all your opponents tapped lands which if you have three or more opponents can be a lot of mana especially when you can cast it again with Kess.
The mana these rituals make is either all red or all black which would be fine to help to cast most Eldrazi, but can be problematic if you want to cast a spell that's blue. Signets lets you use any colored mana to then make different colors of mana.
These two drop mana rocks are staple budget ramp and color fixing in Commander. Thief of Sanity because it has flying can be repeatable stealing of your opponents cards. Sanity is a powerful card in multiplayer Commander because you'll have many opponents to choose from to attack. Cards you steal with Sanity can be cast by you using any colors of mana. Red and black ritual mana can be used to cast cards you steal with Sanity.
High Tide and Bubbling Muck are one drop spells that make more blue or black mana when you tap an Island or Swamp until end of the turn. These spells are better in mono blue or mono black decks than three color Grixis, but they can ramp.
Sorcery tutors are good with Kess because you can cast them again from your graveyard. These cards can help to assemble Architect + Pili or get an Eldrazi into your hand after assembling the combo. The best tutors are not budget cards, they're expensive prices, but there's a few tutors that are budget.
Another way to help to find important cards is to dig for them and draw them. Dig spells that Kess can cast from your graveyard can let you see a lot of cards.
Reanimation can be used with Kess. Reanimation is a way cheat big creatures onto the battlefield. It's also a way to assemble Architect + Pili by either cheating them onto the battlefield or getting them into your hand via your graveyard. Instants and sorceries that enable reanimation and reanimation spells have interaction with Kess because she can cast them again from your graveyard.
- Buried Alive
- Whispering Madness
- Unearth: reanimates either Architect or Pili. With Kess reanimate both of them for two black mana.
- Faithless Looting
- Stitch Together
Buried can tutor for three creatures and put them into your graveyard. It's among the best enablers for reanimation. Madness is called a wheel and what that means is all players discard cards and then draw cards. It's good with Kess since she has flying, you can cipher Madness to her after you cast it. When it's ciphered to Kess then any time she does combat damage to a player then you can cast Madness without paying it's mana cost. The wheel effect is a way to fill your graveyard with spells to cast with Kess as well as drawing cards.
If you have any questions I offer more advice. Good luck with your deck.
19 hours ago
Sol Ring is just a preference. It can be good, can be bad depending of your starting hand. If you also have another mana rock and enabler it can be amazing. I do agree it is amazing in a turn build, but he doesnt like it.
Dark Ritual is still amazing ramp for and mana either way and it is super efficient at one black
Misdirection is strictly better against a lot of the Uncounterable spells present in cEDH and isnt even that bad in a counter wars. It is still free
Swan Song is a good counter I wont say the opposite , but in his meta it is likely worse. I wouldnt play Tale's End if it was me, but he has probably reasons for it.
Pyroclasm doesnt kill Yuriko First. He still has other counters to counter Pyroclasm.
About the no Top List... Again Top is a preference. It is an amazing late game grinding tool when you have the mana for it and can help in a pure burn/turn list like Selesnya, but in a more controlly/tempo one, you need all the mana available.
You are just being a rude guy and there is no need to be super agressive and treating him of clown. Maybe you are defending your friend, but no need to be passive/aggressive. You did make your point but it was unecessary to be rude.
I played against one of them with my Kess List (not updated on tapped out, it is a fully fledged one) and I was surprised by their differents build.
The Yuriko discord is a lot bigger than him and the other guy I'm pretty sure, and your "friend" selesnya should maybe come to the discord to discuss his choice
20 hours ago
MadCatMax I gave a very clear reasoning. You are able to hit your infinite turns combo much faster if you are able to pay the mana reliably.
Your combo costs
- for the Oboro activation
- Play a land and have at least 3 other islands in play
- Cast Time Warp for
- Total cost is
- 3 Islands + Mystic provides
- There is still required every execution of your turns loop
- You run 3 rock accelerators in a 99 card deck, and also Dark Ritual which is not effective for the loop
- Even utilizing the untap effect from Oboro on one of your own lands, the earliest you can rip this combo is turn 6 without accelerators.
- This is assuming you hit a land drop every turn for 6 turns. 29 lands, probably not.
You have colorless mana costs in Intuition Oboro Breezecaller Commandeer Force of Negation Misdirection Spellstutter Sprite Tale's End Gingerbrute Tetsuko Umezawa, Fugitive Fallen Shinobi Ingenious Infiltrator Mist-Syndicate Naga Mistblade Shinobi Sakashima's Student Skullsnatcher Universal Automaton Brazen Borrower Contagion Cyclonic Rift Snuff Out Submerge Whiplash Trap Back to Basics Chains of Mephistopheles Cursed Totem Grafdigger's Cage Scroll Rack Temporal Manipulation Temporal Mastery Temporal Trespass Time Warp Demonic Tutor Diabolic Intent Hope of Ghirapur and Snapcaster Mage. That's 35 cards, literally exactly half of your non-land cards. Of course you can argue that a handful of these have alternate costs that don't include colorless mana, such as the pitch-to-play and some of the ninjutsu, which removes 10 cards from the "uses colorless mana" list. Either way, a quarter of the actual cards you draw and a third of the non-land cards you draw use colorless mana, and the alternate cost cards you will undoubtedly sometimes pay full price for when games go long and resources are available. I didn't even count your two burn cards.
I know you're trying to be clever by cutting slots, and I know this deck doesn't have the explosive plays of hitting Sol ring into mana rocks. Don't try to reinvent the wheel and get clever by cutting mana positive rocks in a deck that uses mana.
My comment is more directed at your friend, who I wrote a very elaborate response to as for inclusions for Sensei's Top in his Doomsday list, and how being reliant on your commander and creatures entirely for card advantage as well as pile cracking is setting him up for failure. Rather than respond, he chose to delete and block me. These decks have a bigger overall problem of being decent competitive decks against most match ups, but absolutely entirely worthless against certain match ups that completely hose the strategy because of how reliant on the commander these decks are. Nevermore on your commander either causes you to scoop or pray for amazing top deck. Repeated Pyroclasm effects resolving cause scoops. Choosing to run Misdirection over Swan Song means if you're counting on Misdirection to stop Pyroclasm you're scooping, or if you're counting on it to stop Demonic Consultation or Flash or Tainted Pact you're scooping. Yes I know it makes a bird token for blocking, but slotting bad cards is your biggest problem.
No I'm not joining your discord. You two are clowns, enjoy brewing your mediocre deck on your own. I'll enjoy the free wins if I ever end up in a pod against someone playing one of these decks.
2 days ago
Hey, nice start for a budget deck.
With a 4.0 avg CMC, which is high, consider more low CMC ramp and enablers for reanimation? These can give you plays that can better setup the game for the mid and late game.
Cards to within the budget consider adding:
- Rakdos Signet
- Dark Ritual
- Heartless Summoning: repeatable ramp for Demons and -1/-1 doesn't affect Demons enough to matter. It's worth it to cut all support creatures that have 1 toughness to play this card.
- Anger: card to discard to give all your creatures haste.
- Buried Alive: tutor for Anger, two other Demons and put them into your graveyard.
- Azra Oddsmaker: repeatable discard and good draw with flying creatures.
- Animate Dead: two drop reanimation that can reanimate a creature from any graveyard including your opponents.
- Thrill of Possibility
- Rakdos Charm
- Sanctum of Eternity: repeatable bounce of Rakdos to cast him again and get his ETB ability again.
- Dragonskull Summit
- Tainted Peak
- Jund Panorama
- Ash Barrens
I didn't suggest Sol Ring because I figured if you had it you would play it because it's one of the best low CMC cards in Commander for ramp. At $4 it might be out of the range of the budget?
Cards to consider cutting:
- Rakdos Guildgate
- Cinder Barrens
- Akoum Refuge
- Bloodfell Caves
- Dread Wanderer
- Demonlord of Ashmouth
- Golden Guardian
- Seizan, Perverter of Truth
- Woebringer Demon
- Cadaver Imp
- Loxodon Warhammer
- Nezumi Graverobber: this guy only flips if after exiling the last card of an opponents library.
Good luck with your deck.
3 days ago
Cards Removed and replaced with:
2 mana - Painter's Servant
5 mana - Thrilling Encore
7 mana -
8 mana - Avatar of Woe
x cost - Gaze of Granite
5 mana - Revel in Riches
7 mana -
8 mana - Colossus of Akros
9 mana - In Garruk's Wake
x cost - Stonecoil Serpent
5 days ago
multimedia, thanks for all of the feedback! We are thinking more or less along the same lines. The cards you suggested cutting are on the chopping block for sure, along with a few more. Talisman of Creativity, Dark Ritual, Thief of Sanity, Kess, Dissident Mage, and Whispering Madness are all good suggestions I think. I hadn't thought of Dragon Tempest so thats a good idea. I for sure plan on grabbing most of the specters at some point.
I'll comb through all of your suggestions and see what I like. Thanks again!
5 days ago
Hey, I agree Nicol Bolas can be devastating repeatable discard in multiplayer Commander. It's a more powerful Grixis Commander then Crosis.
No matter the Commander choice here's some budget cards $2 or less each to consider adding. Several of these suggestions are in the maybeboard. When you're playing a high CMC Commander then more low CMC ramp helps.
Crosis has flying and most Specters also have flying which makes Dragon Tempest a two drop haste enabler for the majority of your creatures. Consider cutting the other Dragons and high CMC creatures for more Specters or creature that can give you more value?
- Thief of Sanity: amazing in multiplayer Commander since you have more opponents to steal cards from.
- Kess, Dissident Mage: get more value out of draw spells and discard spells, she's a very good Grixis flying creature.
- Sedraxis Specter
- Needle Specter
- Blizzard Specter
- Scythe Specter
- Fell Specter
Whispering Madness is a wheel and it can be repeatable with cipher which can be powerful with flying creatures. Read the Bones, Painful Truths, Brainstorm are mana efficient draw spells. In multiplayer Commander the versatility of Mirrormade is great, especially on a budget. With all the discard from multiple opponents The Eldest Reborn can do a lot and have many targets to choose from to reanimate.
Mask of Memory and Mask of Riddles is low CMC equipment that can be repeatable draw with flying creatures. Sunken Hollow, Dragonskull Summit, Grixis Panorama, Ash Barrens are lands to consider adding.
Cards to consider cutting:
- Hideous Visage
- Slate Street Ruffian
- Fill with Fright
- Traveler's Amulet
- Phantasmal Dragon
- Territorial Hellkite
- Boltwing Marauder
- Hypersonic Dragon
- Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury
- Arcanis the Omnipotent
- Moltensteel Dragon
- Tyrant's Familiar
- Gruesome Deformity
- Ambition's Cost
- Mind Rot
Good luck with your deck.
6 days ago
Hey, you're welcome :)
Good eye, Naru + Flicker + Phenax + Elixir to tap Naru to mill before it's blinked with Flicker, nice work. You're right, Altar of the Brood combos with Naru + Flicker and it's also a good card outside of the combo since it's repeatable. In fact Altar could replace Apprentice or another creature that has an ETB mill ability because outside of the combo these creatures are less good then what Altar does.
A reason to add more mana rocks is because the avg. CMC is high, rounded up it's 3.7 and there's a lot of four drops. When you have a lot of four drops then being able to play turn two ramp is very helpful. Phenax + Eater + Elixir is your main combo and it's a mana expensive combo. If adding Naru + Flicker combos then having more ramp makes them better too because the combo costs seven mana. Dark Ritual is a card to consider adding.
Cards to consider cutting to add Naru, Flicker, Altar, Zenith and Zone:
- Submerged Boneyard
- Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker
- Keening Stone
- Into the Story
- Dauthi Embrace
I think you can push your deck a lot further even with the low budget. Ideally if you're playing combos you want tutors especially since you're playing black, but I understand not including them because of the lower budget. Scheming Symmetry and Diabolic Tutor are both worth adding. Mana efficient draw spells or repeatable draw sources can't completely replace tutors, but they can sure help.
- Mystic Remora
- Whispering Madness
- Read the Bones
- Drift of Phantasms
- Muddle the Mixture
These cards can be excellent support because they help to draw into or find the better cards in your deck. Wheels are good with Notion Thief and Psychic Corrosion. Madness can be repeatable with cipher. Drift can transmute to get one of Elixir, Flicker, Freed or Alarm. Muddle can transmute to get one of Guildmage, Greaves, Mindcrank, Orb or Rift. If not transmuting then both Drift and Muddle are fine since Drift has 5 toughness/flying and Muddle is a pseudo Negate.
With the lower budget draw spells and mana rocks are your best early game plays. These can help to setup combos, make land drops and have ramp for mid and late game, the stages of the game when your deck performs the best. Consider streamlining the creature base? Keep the creatures that are part of combos and cut a lot of the others?
Streamlined creature base example:
Bonehoard is the best card of the cards that are creatures who have power/toughness equal to all creatures in all graveyards. Because of it's ability to equip to another creature then in my opinion you don't need to also play Wright, Mortivore, Nighthowler. Hightower (flying, huge power/toughness) and Abrerration (mill, huge power/toughness) are the better high CMC creatures who are not part of combos because they can become huge and do something without having to attack.