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Hero's Downfall Discussion
1 hour ago
Thanks NShem I really appreciate it. I made some changes and did some editing. I looked at torrent elemental closely and i realized he has to be cast from exile, not from the graveyard, so i actually ended up getting rid of some of the cards that exile things and just balanced out the creatures while getting Bile Blight into the main board.
So now the question is do i consider Wall of Frost and Vortex Elemental instead of Rakshasa Deathdealer as my early game answers? If i do that i might not even need the bile blights and just rely on Murderous Cut and Hero's Downfall to remove creatures from the board. I could sideboard bile blight for midgame removal when my opponent has a board full of tokens.
1 hour ago
Chibydude21, I would consider Hero's Downfall viable if you see many planeswalkers in your local meta. Some prefer Dreadbore, but I would definitely consider a Downfall or two if you see a lot of Liliana of the Veil and Elspeth, Knight-Errant, etc.
2 hours ago
Edits to deck:
Added (1x) Monastery Siege for extra looting/permanent protect. Added (2x) Murderous Cut because removal> countering. Added (1x) Hero's Downfall (Removal over all). Added (1x) Treasure Cruise. Sided (2x) Disdainful Stroke. Sided (1x) Jace's Ingenuity. Sided (2x) Divination.
2 hours ago
Since creature type varies in this deck, I wouldn't recommend Obelisk of Urd. Also, if you already have Hero's Downfall, then yes, you should add them to the deck. Also, the Gray Merchant is to expensive in this deck as we would want to cap our mana costs at four.
5 hours ago
Yes, Dreadbore and Terminate are great removal, but I don't really want to splash red because the deck is pretty ok as is. Right now I'm thinking about a couple of cards. I might get Hero's Downfall once it rotates and drops in price because I can search for it with Drift of Phantasms. I also might get Pongify because it's cheap, fast, and effective, but I don't think I run enough creatures to handle a 3/3 token.
Thanks for commenting though!
7 hours ago
Rasta_Viking29- As to why i think Esper will be the most viable control shell is simple. Getting access to 3 cards as simple win cons, 2x Silumgar, the Drifting Death and 1x new silumgar maybe, or 1x new Ojutai. It also has access to the best board wipes, ie, 1 Perilous Vault and 3 Crux of Fate. It gets Bile Blight, Hero's Downfall, Drown in Sorrow, and Murderous Cut. It still keeps a good late game with Ugin, the Spirit Dragon, Elspeth, Sun's Champion and the dragons, and still has access to counterspells such as Dissolve and Disdainful Stroke. It gets access to SB cards such as the new radiant purge and old spells like Glare of Heresy and potentially Erase depending on the matchups/meta. It also will have access to Ojutai's command and presumably the command from Silumgar's side. While losing Sultai Charm, Kiora, the Crashing Wave and Garruk, Apex Predator, you gain more control elements. However, it isn't outlandish to say that Everything but red control could work.
10 hours ago
I definitely like your late-game creature combo. One thing I would suggest is definitely moving Hero's Downfall mainboard, and maybe adding in a couple Dissolve. Hythonia the Cruel works great as a bomb removal, but you'll stabilize a lot better killing and countering until you're ready to drop her in; just a suggestion.
Also, I'd definitely consider finding a place for Dig Through Time. It's just such a good card, especially for control.
10 hours ago
Hero's Downfall is better then grim contest.
also Ritual of the Returned is good.
also sort the curve out.
|Avg. draft pick||2.2|
|Avg. cube pick||2.05|
|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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- Hero's Downfall + Izzet Charm + Magma Jet
- Hero's Downfall + Master of the Feast + Pain Seer
- Bile Blight + Hero's Downfall
- Endless Obedience + Hero's Downfall
- Abrupt Decay + Dreadbore + Hero's Downfall
- Bile Blight + Hero's Downfall + Ultimate Price
- Hero's Downfall + Orzhov Charm
- Hero's Downfall + Vampire Hexmage
- Bile Blight + Hero's Downfall + Thoughtseize
- Courser of Kruphix + Elspeth, Sun's Champion + Hero's Downfall
- Bile Blight + Hero's Downfall + Sultai Charm
- Hero's Downfall + Utter End
- Banishing Light + Hero's Downfall + Murderous Cut
- Bile Blight + Hero's Downfall + Perilous Vault
- Dreadbore + Hero's Downfall
- Hero's Downfall + Stormbreath Dragon
- Abzan Charm + Hero's Downfall
- Agent of the Fates + Hero's Downfall
- Hero's Downfall + Murderous Cut + Utter End
- Hero's Downfall + Murderous Cut
- Gods Willing + Hero's Downfall
- Hero's Downfall + Valorous Stance
- Bile Blight + Hero's Downfall + Murderous Cut