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Retribution of the Ancients
, Remove X +1/+1 counters from among creatures you control: Target creature gets -X/-X until end of turn.
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Retribution of the Ancients Discussion
1 week ago
Good day to you, good Pyrowolf,
I think you have some solid ideas. A lot of these cards seem like stand alone cards enhanced by Anafenza, which is always solid, but here are a couple cards that might go well with her +1/+1 counter love: Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit, because bolster is still solid, and Anafenza won't be weirded out at all by seeing her own ghost. Armament Corps, possibly. Avatar of the Resolute because why not? Crowned Ceratok, because all big guys like trample. Cruel Sadist, repeatable removal. Enduring Scalelord is mainly there for looks, but can be useful if your opponents lack flying. Juniper Order Ranger. Map the Wastes, for that mana ramp/bolster combo (but not a combo combo). Retribution of the Ancients, repeatable removal. Servant of the Scale, for when you want to make sweet, passionate love to counters. And I'd think he works real well with something like Sandsteppe Mastodon. Warden of the First Tree, one of my all-time favorite cards. Like Figure of Destiny, but not as creepy (or as good).
You should maybe try to utilize Anafenza's graveyard hate as well. Black loves to throw things in graveyards, and she would bounce them into exile. Standard discard effects might be nice, but try: Magister of Worth, although it would likely be condemnation if you've been exiling everything. Duress, nothing fancy, but a classic in my opinion. When you can utilize every usable part of your commander without having too much going on, you know you're heading in the right direction.
And here are some additional solid Abzan-colored cards and lands, too: Abzan Banner, it's in the name. Condemn. Command Tower, useful in any EDH deck except mono-colored. Duneblast, in theory, but it is a 7-drop :\ Beast Within, pretty slick instant-speed removal in green. Evolving Wilds. Farseek, multi-colored ramp that is unaffected by color identity. Golgari Rot Farm, solid if you're not trying to go bankrupt on the mana base. Korozda Guildmage, or similar mana sinks for all of that excessive mana you should have with how long you're enduring. Orzhov Basilica. Rampant Growth, solid, but just be looking for mana ramp. Sandsteppe Citadel, probably a good idea. Selesnya Sanctuary.
Pardon, but I think you could find some more useful/powerful cards than AEther Snap, Burst of Energy, and Burst of Strength. AEther Snap is pretty good, I feel like it'd be too counter-productive here.
Remember to keep an eye on draw cards, even stuff like Read the Bones can give you that needed bit of card advantage.
Lastly, your deck may be asking for quite a bit of time and effort to build up into a glorious threat. It would sure be a shame to see all of it go to waste when some plays Hour of Revelation or something like that. Board wipes are inevitable in EDH, but maybe try to find some remedy to that for this deck. Glaring Spotlight could maybe help a little.
I hope these are helpful, good luck!
1 week ago
This looks awesome so far. I like the small spells, fat creatures approach.
If you have room for another colorless land, Novijen, Heart of Progress makes an alright secondary Gavony Township. Walking Ballista and Hangarback Walker are also colorless and don't trigger your commander, but they're just freakin' sweet if you can proliferate them... maybe with a Fuel for the Cause.
Finally, some of my favorite janky build-around cards of all time, the counter enablers - Abzan Falconer, Abzan Battle Priest, Ivorytusk Fortress, Mer-Ek Nightblade, Tuskguard Captain, Bramblewood Paragon, etc. These won't make your deck better, but maybe more fun. Big, fun, fat, lifelinky, flying, deathtouchy, tramply 10/10s.
You pretty much already nailed it though. Good stuff as always.
1 month ago
ok, take 2...hopefully I remember to post this comment before closing the window.
Tatterkite will never die with Mike out, so he's an infinite sac outlet. Retribution of the Ancients can remove counters to duplicate this effect with all your creatures as long as you have black mana. Similar effect with Carnifex Demon
Finally maybe get another piece of protection for Mike like Lightning Greaves in there.
1 month ago
1 month ago
Nice deck. I really love the idea of reset counters in creatures with Undying. Is there some reason to not play Retribution of the Ancients? I think it's good at redundancy to have 8 "remove counters" effect, also working as a removal.
I leave here a link to my Golgari Undying deck, check out if you want :)
1 month ago
I am playing Edgar against the other Commander 2017 decks. A friend brought up an aristocrat theme on this deck and now I find this list. I have a few questions.
I count three sac outlets that Do not require mana to operate. Do you find that enough? Would you be opposed to running either Phyrexian Altar or Ashnod's Altar? Has Blade of the Bloodchief been good for you or could it be the cut?
Bloodghast seems really good here as it is cheap and is a great target for sacrifice.Metallic Mimic seems like a easy include on this list. Is Vampire Hexmage your worst two drop?I am playing Exquisite Blood and Cliffhaven Vampire because I like each card individually. They do form an infinite combo. Did you try to stay away from any combination win conditions or do you find these cards or others like these to be insufficient for the deck?
You are not playing any of the black tutors. Would you consider cutting all four of the planeswalkers for Vampiric Tutor, Demonic Tutor, Diabolic Intent and Enlightened Tutor (may be better in my list))?
What is your purpose behind Elixir of Immortality? It seems out of place in this list.
Anointed Procession and Shared Animosity each fuel your two win conditions. Any reason for their exclusion? I ask because yours was the first list I have seen that is running Brave the Sands, Retribution of the Ancients and Vampiric Rites. I really like Vampiric Rites, am not sure about Brave the Sands and think Retribution of the Ancients is too conditional.
2 months ago
Hey devastated-heart thank you for all of the feedback! I actually made a few tweaks maybe right while you were commenting and got rid of Demonlord and some other cards. Does Urborg make all lands produce black? is that its purpose?
I think I will definitely find a place for Retribution of the Ancients though. That's an awesome card.
2 months ago
I usually run White in decks like these, but the two changes I can recommend immediately are -1 Swamp for +1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth and -1 Demonlord of Ashmouth for +1 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet. Urborg is just a quality-of-life upgrade and Kalitas acts as a lesser version of Leyline of the Void with Lifelink. And while I see the fun in using Cytoplast Root-Kin , I would replace it with something more like Ridgescale Tusker to guarantee that all of my creatures got a counter as soon as possible. Maybe even -1 Gift of the Deity for +1 Retribution of the Ancients as a form of Removal against cards that might have Indestructible.
If I think of anything else, I'll let you know!