Dread Return

Legality

Format Legality
Vintage Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Legacy Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal

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Set Rarity
Duel Decks: Blessed vs Cursed Uncommon
Commander 2014 Uncommon
Premium Deck Series: Graveborn Uncommon
Time Spiral Uncommon

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Dread Return

Sorcery

Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield.

Flashback—Sacrifice three creatures. (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)

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Dread Return Discussion

LanaDel on Surprise Demons from the grave (Budget) copy

5 days ago

Hi, thanks for the response. Dread Return is just a copy of Diabolic Servitude to improve the chance of getting grave cast back, which leads into Weaponcraft Enthusiast which can be used to flash back Dread Return. Weaponcraft Enthusiast also works to sack into Demon of Death's Gate. But it was just something I was messing around with, Im still pretty new to deck making so it is definitely going to have things that don't really work as well as they could.

sonnet666 on The Everflowing Wound

1 week ago

thegigibeast, I mean, I don't see anything wrong with adding an infinite mana gameplan to Grenzo, but the question is more: How is it better than Doomsday? Y'know?

Part of the appeal of Doomsday Grenzo is that it's super difficult to interact with once Doomsday resolves, since you're only activating abilities after that.

Compare that with Worldgorger combo where it's so fragile a Swords to Plowshares sets you back to having no permanents. For Grenzo at least, it might be better to go with some "safer" infinite mana combos, especially since Grenzo doesn't need mana of any color the way Lyzolda does. Stuff like: Basalt+Rings combo, Nooze+Palladium Myr+Pili-Pala, Rings+Voltaic Key, ... Yeah, there aren't a lot of infinite mana combos in Black/Red, are there?

That said, I don't think they're incompatible, since infinite activations of Grenzo make a lot of plays that already use the cards in the Doomsday pile. For example:

Yawgmoth's Will-->Lotus Petal-->Dark Ritual-->Doomsday--> the usual stack.

  • Or if you don't have access to Doomsday:

Yawgmoth's Will-->Reito Lantern--> the usual stack.

  • Or if you don't have access to Kiki+Conscripts:

Yawgmoth's Will--> infinite Walking Ballista

  • If you get an infinite combo before casting Grenzo you can also put infinite counters on him, and just get every creature out of your deck.

Even still though, infinite mana combos are always going to be 2 to 3 cards, while Doomsday is a single card. This gives Doomsday a much lower threshold of necessary tutors and set-up, and means that Doomsday should probably remain plan A for the deck.

thegigibeast on The Everflowing Wound

1 week ago

sonnet666

Sorry for the double post, but something just flashed in my mind... Do you think a similar list with Grenzo, Dungeon Warden as the commander could work? I mean, it would certainly not be as glass canon as your list currently is, probably not as fast either, but I think it could still compete...

This idea came when I was wondering which commander to pick instead of the Scorpion God. Grenzo still is a good mana sink, because with infinite mana, we could go on and put our entire deck in the yard. Sure, it would be weak to grave hate, but I will not stop brewing only because of this because a lot of decks in the format are weak to grave hate and can still compete.

I think running Grenzo as the commander would lead to some pretty interesting options. The commander would not be as dead as it is with Lyzolda, the Blood Witch. We could cast our commander early on to get value out of activated ability, even if it is simply filling the graveyrad (the ability reminds me of how Thrasios, Triton Hero can be used when we are not comboing off).

Early game, we simply draw, filter and interact (being in B/R is a good place to be for those things), and we can also ramp using some artifact mana (fast rocks, talisman...). Grenzo is helpful at that point. Mid game, I would say this is where we try to combo off, with the Worldgorger Dragon infinite mana combo. This would put our entire deck in the graveyard, allowing us to have all of our creatures and Dread Return, allowing for some reanimation shenanigans and why not a Necrotic Ooze + Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker sort of combo (not sure yet on the combo finish).

The thing is, imagine we get the combo locked, by some exile or anything... Let's say with your current decklist, Worldgorger Dragon gets exiled... What will you do? That is where Grenzo, Dungeon Warden comes in. He can not simply fill your graveyard to prepare combo, he can also give some value by reanimating creatures to disrupt opponents, such as Magus of the Moon, Sire Of Insanity... (depending on the X vaule, that is). Also, since we are already running a reanimation package, it would be easier to fall back on this strategy even with bigger creatures...

I would like to know what you think about this before conbtinuing to brew, because I would really like for Grenzo to be able to compete a little outside of Doomsday!

MasterofMirrodin on Clean Mean Zombie Machine, ft. Sidisi

1 week ago

You might want to consider Nyx Weaver, Splinterfright, and Dread Return. In addition, I like Undead Alchemist when paired with Sidisi, Brood Tyrant.

I love your title for the deck.

zensunni on Who's a Heretic Now

1 week ago

Strongarm Tactics is a personal favorite for me in decks like this. Coupled with Dread Return and some cheap fodder, you can get some amazingly powerful creatures out early and cheap, while hurting your opponents.

Why no Nether Traitor or Nether Shadow?

es0p0s on Surprise Demons from the grave (Budget) copy

1 week ago

Hi there, original builder here. I really like your tuning of the deck though i have som questions. 1: why do you play Dread Return
2: why do you play Weaponcraft Enthusiast

Have fun.

Daedalus19876 on I Call Her Vera: Sidisi EDH | *PRIMER*

2 weeks ago

kilgore: I'm very happy with my new changes. Particularly, Entomb for Dread Return is pretty sweet :D I need to update the primer soon, though.

Have you ever considered Sword of Light and Shadow?

DarkLaw on No-Banlist Modern Ideas Needed!

2 weeks ago

I'm thinking UW miracles (because BalanceTop & JTMS), dredge (bc Dread Return), or Hypergenesis because it's really cool.

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