|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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|Commander 2017 (C17)||Rare|
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As Palace Siege enters the battlefeild, choose Khans or Dragons.
- Khans — At the beginning of your upkeep, return target creature card from your graveyard to your hand.
- Dragons — At the beginning of your upkeep, each opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life.
|Have (5)||CampbellStev , Mortiferus_Rosa , mazrimtaim , metalmagic , JasYper|
|Want (4)||UnholyFlubber , Derava , madman-from-space , SirDrewski|
Palace Siege Discussion
19 hours ago
Ok. So you said you want degenerate, so... here goes.
First off, Braids, Cabal Minion is banned. So you might want to remove it.
You should either be running the fetches, including the off-color ones like Flooded Strand , or run Suppression Field ; this also is a somewhat broader and more applicable answer to planeswalkers than The Elderspell , as it has non-planeswalker target. It puts a damper on the planeswalkers, but I feel like they might be better replaced with board wipes like Wrath of God , Day of Judgment , Damnation or Toxic Deluge . When I played this general, I don't think I ran any creatures; they tend to be easily removed, but their effects may be replaced by enchantments/artifacts (ex: Thorn of Amethyst replaces Thalia, Guardian of Thraben ). Additionally, because Athreos, God of Passage is indestructible, it survives most board wipes. I recommend Erebos, God of the Dead as a second useful god; and in an Oloro meta, it seems particularly applicable. Sphere of Safety and Lightmine Field can serve as further deterrents to attackers; Maze of Ith also fits in well. Serra's Sanctum also is a powerhouse, if combined with a high-enough enchantment count. If you take the creature-less rout, I advise Night of Souls' Betrayal to remove the ability of elf- or dork-based decks to function. You might also consider Cursed Totem .
I see you have Vampiric Tutor in the maybe board. It's massively superior to Diabolic Tutor , if only because of its much lower mana cost; Imperial Seal is a strictly worse version I run in my Kess list, but it is also very good. Bitterblossom is a great inclusion, especially if you're running something like Contamination to mess with everyone's mana.
Mana Crypt is invaluable in cEDH decks. Fragmentize is a good white equivalent to Nature's Claim , especially in metas with low curves. Leyline of the Void or Rest in Peace are good techs against graveyard decks like as Gitrog, with the added advantage of allowing a win with a Helm of Obedience activation.
I've never been impressed with 1-for-1s in EDH; by that token, Mortify and Doom Blade may be on the chopping block. Utter End is alright, simply because of its universality. I'd replace these with the above boardwipes, but I also suggest Pox or Smallpox . Pox has the additional advantage of severely lowering your opponents' life totals, so ad nauseum players tend to just cry, and your Painful Quandary becomes more oppressive. Stab Wound , which is another type of 1-for-1, might be better replaced with Palace Siege . Swords to Plowshares is the single 1-for-1 I highly recommend, because of its low cost, exile-based removal, and relatively small downside.
Good luck! Stax em out.
1 week ago
bushido_man96 Thanks for the suggestions. I really like Spear Spewer , Thermo-Alchemist , Palace Siege , and Retreat to Hagra . Palace siege is the only higher CMC card of that bunch. Typically I want to try and keep the mana cost on the lower end, and stick to effects that would damage all opponents, so these fit that nicely. My goal is to keep in as many tutors as possible, so I'm thinking I should probably replace some of the mismatched cards like Hellhole Flailer and Hound of Griselbrand , unless do you think there's better replacements?
1 week ago
I think to really make Rakdos run, you need to get early damage through so you can cast him quick. Cards like Goblin Fireslinger , Spear Spewer , and Thermo-Alchemist come down early, so you can make sure to get the one damage through on turn three or four to cast Rakdos. Cards like Palace Siege (dragons mode), Subversion , and Retreat to Hagra also make sure to deal damage to your opponents, allowing you cast Rakdos and giving you value for more creature casts from the life loss.
1 week ago
My immediate thought with utilizing the Bros efficiently was to emphasize artifact creatures (ex. Goblin Replica ) and enchantment creatures (ex. Courser of Kruphix ) so you could always have options on what to sacrifice to answer a problem. You have the creature portion covered completely but I honestly cannot see you wanting to sacrifice any of your enchantments without also hurting yourself.
Most options to make expendable enchantment tokens are not great, like Pharika, God of Affliction , but some like Renowned Weaver could be viable because, again, it gives you options on what you want to sacrifice.
Bros' cost is also kind of expensive so ways to reduce it or generate more mana (you are in ) will allow multiple activations if need be. Heartstone and Thran Turbine come to mind to reduce their cost and Burnished Hart , Wild-Field Scarecrow , Solemn Simulacrum , Skittering Surveyor and Pilgrim's Eye are great early game to fix your mana while late-game you can sacrifice them to either ability.
You mentioned reanimation in the description so some more options are Animate Dead , Dance of the Dead , Phyrexian Delver , Oath of Ghouls , Palace Siege , Entreat the Dead , Feldon of the Third Path , Victimize , and Whisper, Blood Liturgist .
I would also consider other sacrifice options so in case you do not need to activate Bros you can still generate value via sacrificing your tokens or creatures. Altar's Reap and Costly Plunder for card advantage, Sidisi, Undead Vizier to tutor, Priest of Forgotten Gods for multi-value, etc.
You have the protective-footwear covered but I would consider adding Spider Umbra and Kaya's Ghostform so you can protect or sacrifice them if need be. Other personal favorites of mine are Undying Evil and Supernatural Stamina .
Looks nefariously "fun!"
2 weeks ago
Leonantti oh yeah! Forgot to mention the other cards lol!
Together Forever is very cool, I just took it out but expect to have it back in eventually. It might be a little too cute though, and I don't have a strong +1/+1 counter theme to truly take advantage of it. Palace Siege seems decent, but I feel like there are many, way better recursion spells. Phyrexian Reclamation is one of the best, and I suggest it for your deck before Palace.
Thanks for the comments!
2 weeks ago
Nice to see your Elenda deck doing so well :) I wanted to ask you how do you feel about Together Forever , I just added it to my Elenda deck. And also would like to hear your opinion on how good is Palace Siege ?
Saint Elenda Reborn was my deck if you want to check it out again, I think I've made some changes to it the last time we talked, would enjoy to hear your opinions on it.
2 weeks ago
Cards that have been replaced - Fungal Sprouting for Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip; Heartstone for Thelon of Havenwood ; Sporesower Thallid for Retreat to Kazandu ; Thallid Shell-Dweller for Hardened Scales ; Caustic Caterpillar for Nissa, Voice of Zendikar ; Nullmage Shepherd for Palace Siege , Thallid for Beastmaster Ascension ; Fecundity for FinD; Thallid Germinator for Rampaging Baloths ; Savage Thallid for Hydra Broodmaster ; Warped Landscape for
card suggest: Bloodchief Ascension
3 weeks ago
Nvm about Palace Siege . I thought it was 'When a creature enters the battlefield deal 2 damage to target opponent.' but it is still good.
Palace Siege occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.03%