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|Modern Masters 2015 Edition||Common|
|2011 Core Set||Common|
|Rise of the Eldrazi||Common|
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Creature — Vampire
Sacrifice a creature: Bloodthrone Vampire gets +2/+2 until end of turn.
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Bloodthrone Vampire Discussion
1 day ago
Devour flesh is an instant, and that really matters when you need to maintain card advantage (rakdos burn at the moment), and functions as last ditch defence against infect, boggles and titan. Sometimes you jsut need to ditch that Lashwrithe or Bloodthrone Vampire in the face of a supreme verdict. Its not something that should be in every list, but as a sideboard tool it will really help with some metagames where you need to be good at hitting more than one thing. Most of my suggestions are like that. More neiche choices for settings which aren't major tournaments.
I've run mimic vat a lot because it removes a lot counterplay from the midrange/longrange matchups in a more consistant fashion than whip. Usually a seige rhino is a good thing, but resolve a mimic vat an your opponent will just hold it in hand. Its not a tool intended to be viewed in isolation against a single setup, but as another option- If you know you are going to see meleria combo, it messes with that feircely (by replacing persist triggers on their turn). It really shone in my playtesting, even though I originally included it as a gag.
1 week ago
Okay, I guess the next place to start is by going over the various archetypes for vampires in modern. They are a pretty flexible tribe, so there are lots of directions you can take them. Aggro, midrange, control, and even combo-esque strategies are pretty viable avenues to explore.All the lists are pretty much comprised of the following creatures depending on which direction you want to go: Bloodghast, Vampire Nocturnus, Stromkirk Captain, Stromkirk Noble, Captivating Vampire, Shadow Alley Denizen, Pulse Tracker, Vampire Nighthawk, Gifted Aetherborn (AKA Vampire Nightwalk), Vampire Lacerator, Vampire Cutthroat, Stromkirk Condemned, Olivia, Mobilized for War, Olivia Voldaren, Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet, Insolent Neonate, Falkenrath Aristocrat, Indulgent Aristocrat, Falkenrath Gorger, Drana, Liberator of Malakir, Bloodthrone Vampire, Blood Artist, Viscera Seer, Blood Seeker, Asylum Visitor, Bloodline Keeper Flip, and Gatekeeper of Malakir.
Aggro lists generally stay super low to the ground in regards to CMC and include a lot of lords. Given the low CMC. Aether Vial also starts to become very good -- especially since all the lords tend to hang at 3 CMC.
There are multiple routes to midrange. One route is to to try and abuse the madness effect to turn Liliana of the Veil's +1 into a 1 sided effect.
The other is slightly more combo-y. Aristocrats is an interesting archetype that abuses the recursiveness of Bloodghast, the life-loss triggers from Blood Artist, and the instant speed sacrifice effects of Viscera Seer, Bloodthrone Vampire, Falkenrath Aristocrat and Indulgent Aristocrat. I also personally like Reassembling Skeleton, Gravecrawler, Doomed Traveler, and or Bloodsoaked Champion in the list to further be able to abuse the Blood Artist triggers with more sacrifice fodder. White also gives access to things like Rally the Ancestors -- which can be a brutal play to ping for a lot of dmg with Blood Artist triggers.
There is also more traditional midrange which just aims to play threats that if left unanswered -- typically win you the game. Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet, Bloodline Keeper Flip, and Olivia Voldaren are all very dangerous cards for your opponent to leave in play, and Gatekeeper of Malakir can be a huge pain given his ability to not only provide a decent body, but also take down an opponent's creature with his kicker cost. Vampire Nighthawk and Gifted Aetherborn are also good for similar reasons. they trade profitably wirh almost any creature and have the benefit of giving you back some life.
There are 3 routes for combo that you can also go -- the first involves Bloodline Keeper Flip and Intruder Alarm. The second route is Sanguine Bond + Exquisite Blood + vampire's ability to easily ping for 1 somehow to trigger the combo. The third is Mindcrank or Duskmantle Guildmage + Bloodchief Ascension.
I can definitely help you refine a list once you have a basic archetype in mind. Right now you seem to be in between aggro and midrange. Which is perfectly fine. You can mix and match a little bit. Devotion, as another user suggested, is also viable -- however vampires do not really have a ton of super good ways to use oodles of mana.
1 week ago
Hey thanks --
The winning combos are reanimation loops + a drain:
Bloodghast is inconsistent -- will cut.
Bloodthrone Vampire gives an instant speed, repeatable sac outlet that can sac itself to its own ability, so its main purpose is death triggers -- but, it's on the chopping block
Deathgreeter -- will cut
Disciple of Phenax -- targetted discard on every turn? on the chopping block
Falkenrath Noble -- will cut
Hell's Caretaker -- extremely valuable, but on the chopping block.. it is grindy
Infernal Darkness -- will re-add
Vampiric Rites -- m8, this card is bad. but i'll add it to maybe
Mindslicer -- will re-add
Mesmeric Orb -- I might consider this as a way to set up a living death loop
Ad Nauseam -- eh, sure, why not, it's a great card.
Wasteland I could probably find room for, always need to destroy pesky lands.
Inventors' Fair is a good idea for this deck. I always need one of the altars.
Toxic Deluge -- will re-add
1 week ago
Cut -- Abyssal Gatekeeper (unlike Fleshbag and Co, this can hurt more than it helps since it isn't around to feed itself) Bloodghast (no real advantage with Shirei, and is inconsistent as redundancy), Bloodthrone Vampire (doesn't offer you anything for feeding it), Coffin Queen (better with high cost ETBs), Crypt Rats (doesn't function with your commander), Deathgreeter (life gain is pointless), Disciple of Phenax, Falkenrath Noble, Hell's Caretaker (too grindy).
Also consider, Dance of the Dead, Mindslicer (you only need to sac this once with a draw engine and you've basically won), Toxic Deluge, Mesmeric Orb (most efficient yard filler ever), and Ad Nauseam.
You could also safely cut some of the 0 mana creatures since they don't really do anything, Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip, and Dark Prophecy (you already have a lot of draw, and this can actually kill you if you have a slow or unclear path to victory).
Some additional lands to consider: Inventors' Fair, you have enough artifacts to satisfy it, and it tutors some of your most needed cards; Westvale Abbey Flip can get you out of a jam if you pay too much life; and Wasteland/Tectonic Edge/Dust Bowl help you play a little more into Crucible of Worlds.
2 weeks ago
I, too, have a very similar deck and can give you my insights on how it plays as well. Take what you would like from my comment, but by all means don't feel like I'm trying to impose on your deck.
It's a good choice to run Nantuko Husk over Bloodthrone Vampire. I used to run the vampire back when I played a budget version that ran Reassembling Skeleton and I can confirm, with Gravecrawler you want all the synergy you can get. Husk is a slower card, but well worth it.
As for Phyrexian Arena, have you considered replacement cards? I used to run that card as well, but found that I've always received more value (and net card-drawing ability) from Grim Haruspex. Interesting things I've seen happen while running the creature over the enchantment is that I've had opponents spend removal on it instead of my Artists/Cutthroats/Husks, and it synergizes well with Artist/Cutthroat triggers if an opponent wants to remove it.
I would also perhaps consider bringing some removal to the mainboard. Whether it's additional Geth's Verdict or any combination of cheap cards like Bone Splinters, Tragic Slip (a personal favorite of mine), or the shiny new Fatal Push (which has synergy with sacrifice decks), I've found I need some stability in setting up the deck until I can effectively use a Grave Pact.
On a side note, I like using Diregraf Colossus in place of Genesis Chamber for a creature generator as it provides synergy for my Gravecrawler and is another trigger for Artists/Cutthroats should it die, but Chamber is superior in terms of efficiency.
Also, how well does this deck play with so few lands? Mine runs 22 and sometimes I feel like it's barely enough with as many times as I want to cast Gravecrawler or activate Vampiric Rites per turn.
Regardless, it appears to be a very fun build and I'm sure it causes much annoyance to anyone that plays against it and isn't prepared. :)
(On another tangent, I believe this deck may be tagged as "Suicide Black" erroneously through common misconception. Though it does sound like it fits the bill--and I've been here too, trust me--the term "Suicide Black" is traditionally reserved for hyper-aggressive black decks that play cheap, high-drawback creatures that attempt to win as quickly as possible before the drawbacks affect the outcome of the game. Examples include Phyrexian Negator, Carnophage, and Flesh Reaver among others. Just thought I'd clarify, unless the archetype has changed since last I was aware. :) My humblest apologies if it has.)
2 weeks ago
Hi lagotripha, thanks for the sugestions!
In a recent past, this deck was full of vampires and I used to use Bloodsoaked Champion as recursive body and Pawn of Ulamog as body generator. After some tests, I found in Gravecrawler and Relentless Dead better replacements - because Gravecrawler can return more often than Bloodsoaked guy. And Relentless Dead its a fantastic blocker that can bring Geralf's Messenger or Gray Merchant of Asphodel from GY very easily. In that old days, Blade of the Bloodchief, Bloodghast and Call the Bloodline were crucial pieces - working nice and sweet with Voldaren Pariah Flip and discard Lilly's effect!
But nowadays Im a zombie guy (to fully use Gravecrawler and Relentless Dead nasty and faster features). If Viscera Seer was a zombie, this mechanic would be crazy (or best: if Carrion Feeder was Modern legal)! And sometimes I think to replace Bloodthrone Vampire with Nantuko Husk beside the 1 CMC cheaper to improve zombies interaction. What do you think? And about other zombies (or creatures) that would fit - any ideas?
Mind Slash goes in and out of main and SB, depending on the meta I'm dealing - it's a incredible hand attack, indeed.
About the list Mono black deckbuilder's toolbox, it is already in my 'Modern' bible list! And even made a comment there couple days ago! Really nice job! I'll sugest more tolls to your box soon!
And thanks for the time and attention!
2 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
So I choosed Bloodthrone Vampire because the mana cost is smaller.