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Crux of Fate
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- Destroy all Dragon creatures
- Destroy all non-Dragon creatures.
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Crux of Fate Discussion
4 days ago
Concise list of considerations:
The Rack single target is really crappy in EDH
Wheel of Torture Same effect as The Rack except it hits everyone.
Skullcage Hits all opponents who don't have either 3 or 4 cards in hand.
Raiders' Wake Another Caress/Megrim effect, except this one makes your opponent discard if you attack.
Quest for the Nihil Stone Anyone without a hand gets domed for 5 during their upkeep...seems good.
Bloodchief Ascension Self Explanatory card
Mindcrank This is a great card in a discard centric deck.
Get rid of all of these cards Bog Rats, Carrion Rats, Deathmask Nezumi (it's a nombo with everything you're doing), Drainpipe Vermin, Gutter Skulk, Nezumi Cutthroat, Pestilence Rats, Ravenous Rats, Swarm of Rats, and Typhoid Rats.
Relentless Rats Replace all of the cards removed with these. You are not restricted to a single copy, per EDH rules, because Relentless Rats specifically states that card limitation requirements do not apply to it.
Get rid of anything that is single target discard! Especially Raven's Crime, since you don't have enough lands that you can afford to be ditching them for a single discard.
Add more things that hit everybody, such as Necrogen Mists or are renewable.
Specter's Shroud Might be worth looking into.
You need more board wipes. You have one 9 CMC board wipe with only 32 lands in the deck. The Hyper-geometric distribution doesn't give you very good odds of pulling the lands you need in order to keep the board clear. Consider Bontu's Last Reckoning, Yahenni's Expertise, Crux of Fate (which may work to your favor with all the Dargon decks running around), Damnation is a given but it's pricey, Life's Finale, Kindred Dominance, and Necromantic Selection are all decent options.
Liliana of the Dark Realms is a much better Lili for a deck like this because you need ramp and that Ult is ridiculous plus it combos with...
Let's talk about your mana base for a second...
Thirty two lands? Even for a very cavalier spell slinger deck, that is a very low amount to play. I play a Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest deck on 36 and struggle some times to reach a critical mass of mana/spells. Don't fall into the trap of "I'll cut a land for this cheap spell; it'll be fine." Again, math and probability will not be on your side in the late game, not unless you're willing to invest in Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx or Cabal Coffers. An alternative might be to run Crypt of Agadeem but it's really no substitute for those lands.
Lastly, jam a Bojuka Bog or a Scavenger Grounds or both in there for graveyard hate, along with your choice of Strip Mine, Ghost Quarter, and/or Field of Ruin because if you can't have your Crypt or Coffers, why should they?
Hope this helps, good luck!
2 weeks ago
Hoarding Dragon plus Elixir of Immortality help you reset your deck. Shifting Shadow and Call to the Kindred are both fun sources of card advantage in a tribal deck. Cairn Wanderer also seems like a decent fit here. Crux of Fate is a sweeper you might consider.
2 weeks ago
2 weeks ago
Surprised by the lack of Crux of Fate seems like a great wrath for obvious reasons.
2 weeks ago
No problem AwesomeDoofus! Glad my suggestions could be of some help!
It's true that more efficient CMCs will often lead to higher prices i.e. Liliana's Caress vs Raider's Wake. Though, if your LGS (local game store) is selling Liliana's Caress for 8$, that is truly egregious. You can find them here for 2-3$ a card here TCG Player and I suggest buying other cards on that website since they have very competitive pricing.
My opinion of Consume the Meek is not very high considering that you can wipe the whole board for the same mana cost in cards like Crux of Fate. Pestilence Demon is also pretty meh to me because it is terribly expensive unless you are running some kind of reanimation deck with cards like Entomb and Animate Dead OR ramp spells like Dark Ritual, Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx, and Cabal Ritual. If Tempt with Immortality is already a very medium card in your deck, then I would shy away from adding other medium cards to the deck like Crypt Incursion just to make the other medium cards better. It's simply better to not have the initial medium card in the deck to begin with. The other cards I'm not so big on as well, especially when you consider that you wanted to add more discard to the deck. These other cards would make that hard to do.
Unfortunately the best discard effects are pretty expensive because they see play across multiple formats. These include-
-to name a few
The other problem with discard spells is that they lose their potency late into the game because people will simply be drawing and playing their only card and have nothing to discard. This is why cards like The Rack and Black Vise are so good. These cards create tension within your opponent and gives value to your discard spells late into the game. Your opponent will not want to play anything so that they can keep cards in hand to not take damage from the artifacts, this means your discard spells will actually be worthwhile late into the game creating a lose-lose situation for the opponent because they will take damage from the artifacts if they play what they draw, but if they don't play what they draw you may just make them discard it anyway and how can they win if they are not playing the cards they draw? A deck that looks to enable this strategy on a budget for 1vs1 (so no Liliana of the Veil or Thoughtseize) might look like this-
4x Dark Ritual (this card enables you to do very powerful things early in the game such as play Hymn, and Inquisition on turn 1)
1x Waste Not
4x The Rack
4x Black Vise
Two things to notice here, 1 there are no creatures. This means cards like Innocent Blood, Pox, and Smallpox do not affect us in that way, only our opponent. Our main win condition here are the Rack and Vise, so no need for creatures. The Mishra's Factorys are just a plan B. This also makes a lot of our opponents cards, like removal spells, very bad against us limiting the amount of impactful cards they can play against us. The second, is you'll notice there are a lot of 4ofs. Rather than having 1 of this and 2 of that, having multiple copies of 1 card increases the percentage that we actually draw it or have it in our opening hand. What this means is that our deck is much more efficient because the chances and percentages of us drawing the cards we need are as high as they can be. This is an important aspect of deck building to keep in mind.
Now, that last deck was a true discard deck. If you want to play creatures though and want to be swinging for damage in Mono then I would suggest a Devotion deck which exploits the power of cards like Gray Merchant of Asphodel by trying to get as many symbols on the battlefield as possible. A Devotion deck with budget in mind (so no Phyrexian Obliterator) for 1vs1 might look like this-
4x Doom Blade
4x Brain Maggot
Now these two decks I put here are just simple examples of different directions to go, obviously if you do a mix of both of them, then you will inevitably dilute the strategy of one another but that's certainly okay if that's what you want to do. It's kind of where I would put the deck as it stands now. You have some discard, you have some creatures, some of it synergizes with the rest, but as a whole it is not as focused as the decks above. All of this is to answer your last paragraph when you ask, "What is worth keeping?" Well, that's a tough question because we first have to ask, "What is it we are trying to do?" Once you answer this, you can then eliminate the cards that don't help in those areas and add more copies of the ones that do. Now, I don't want to push you one way or the other, I simply want to provide the options so that you know what possibilities are out there.
I hope this was not terribly overwhelming, and you are right, this is what I enjoy doing on this site so its no trouble to me! So if you have more questions please feel free to ask!
2 weeks ago
Where to begin. First off, we are going to pretend everything you have here doesn't exsist and start from scratch. You need 4 each of Dragonspeaker Shaman and Dragonlord's Servant. Using this as a starting point we see that red will be the primary colorwe are using splashing black for some poweful dragons and spells. Knowing this we should make sure that most of the dragons you use are only 1 black mana in the cost if possible. Depending on budget, shock and fetch lands would be ideal, but things like Foreboding Ruins Dragonskull Summit Smoldering Marsh and Canyon Slough can all be used to great effect. Some quality dragons to include you don't have in the list we discarded include Dragonlord Kolaghan Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury Mirrorwing Dragon Malfegor Archwing Dragon Thunderbreak Regent and Stormbreath Dragon. Now lets move to some on theme cards you could use to help get you to the later game. Foul-Tongue Invocation Draconic Roar Dragon Tempest Crux of Fate Crucible of Fire Sarkhan the Mad and Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker. Finally these are a few quality rakdos color cards that are all very good in any rakdos deck. Read the Bones Blighting Terminate Dreadbore Slaughter Games. Just some helpful info. If you play casually, then just have fun and play as you wish, the above suggestions are for a semi competitive modern deck. Modern isnt a very cheap format so expect to spend some cash to get what you need. Get lands first, then cost reduction guys, then removal/enabler spells and finally round out the dragons. Also aside from the 8 cost reducers only run 2 max of any legend, and no more than 3 of anything that costs 5. If it is more than 5 only run 2 as you will likely have a hard time casting it. Good luck
1 month ago
Here are some cards I would try to work in somehow. Crux of Fate, Stormbreath Dragon, Silumgar's Scorn, Nicol Bolas, and Crucible of Fire. You could use Form of the Dragon but it would be pretty risky. Dragonlord Kolaghan counts as an "Elder" creature and a "Dragon" creature so put him in! Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius Would be some sweet card draw and cheap creature removal.
1 month ago
Ok ok so, i have a commander deck with Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund as the commander. The deck itself has functioned pretty well up until recently, i have been getting completely rekt early game. Do keep in mind i have not been playing long and do not have a great understanding of cards or of a good build, in fact this is the first deck i have ever built. All i really need help with is early game because dinos have been destroying me as of late. The deck is built as follows:i have no clue what im doing dragons