Liliana of the Veil
Planeswalker — Liliana
+1: Each player discards a card.
-2: Target player sacrifices a creature.
-6: Separate all permanents target player controls into two piles. That player sacrifices all permanents in the pile of their choice.
|Have (5)||, lorddarkstar , CampbellStev , gildan_bladeborn , rockleemyhero|
|Want (8)||MrMiglautsch , rpie4444 , natedevillers , hugocotis , darksteelgiant , sumerian612 , Quickflash , abby315|
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|Ultimate Masters (UMA)||Mythic Rare|
|Ultimate Masters Promo (UMAP)||Mythic Rare|
|Modern Masters 2017 Edition (MM3)||Mythic Rare|
|Innistrad (ISD)||Mythic Rare|
|Promo Set (000)||Mythic Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Liliana of the Veil occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.31%
All decks: 0.45%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.01%
Liliana of the Veil Discussion
2 days ago
Hey I play tons of Ponza and have done for years. I play mostly on MTGO so you local meta might be different if you play at a store, but here is my take on the cards. I think I wrote a smaller book of a comment sorry about that.
first off Inferno Titan!, turn 2 moss into turn 3 titan is the most powerful thing ponza can do. Remember he can be pumped with his ability and often swing for 12 or more damage (when targeting face with the ability) plus he shoots stuff down planeswalkers and creatures alike both when he is played, but also when he attacks. The absolute best finisher for the deck.
I love Bonfire of the Damned and have played with everything from 1 to 4 copies in my main board, the one sided board clear feels so good, but I have come to realise it is just too conditional. It is too reliant on the miracle, i kept telling myself it wasn't but it really is, 7 mana for 3 damage is not worth it, you are already dead to aggro and if you have enough mana to shoot someone down with a big spike you should have already have won. Anger of the Gods in the sideboard are just better wipeing you own dudes does not really matter if the opponent just loses to a wipe and the exile of creatures is so important vs graveyard stuff.
You play Boom / Bust which i have experimented with as well, you say it cost less than Pillage, this is not true as you need 2 mana and a untapped fetch in order to play it, so that is 3 mana, plus you need a fetch to play it that is super conditional even with 8 fetches. And depending on Bust part to win the game is not something you should never wish to happen.
Artifacts, one thing Ponza loses to is Aether Vial, all the land disruption does nothing against it. So in order not to lose to that i suggest to main board Pillage or Abrade they are so good with the flexibility doing what the deck is already trying to do and able to remove artifacts when needed is super useful. Other cards they help against is Cranial Plating in affinity, Oblivion Stone the only answer tron really has and Arcum's Astrolabe which bypasses all moon activity and of course all the stupid artifact creatures that randomly appear like Walking Ballista and Myr Superion.
I know you play Primal Command for all the artifacts and such nonsense, I have played it myself in the past, but for 5 mana it is really slow and to that it is also quite conditional on its effectiveness some games it can just outright win it like mill or somthing, but more often you will lose with it in hand and it is the worst. searching for a big guy to finish with is not much good either as you would much rather play the big guy insteal of the command and i have so often lost with the searched up guy in hand as the opponent will know to kill off your mana dorks or keep a counter in hand because you revealed your plan.
your Eternal Witness Stampeding Serow combo is cute, but playing cards that are not just good on their own are a big mistake, blue deck might get away with it, but green really relies upoun mana effectiveness. I see how you can use witness's with other cards in your deck and be able to slowly grind value out, but in reality something like Tireless Tracker would be much better as it just gives value by existing and can end the game.
Okay how to win vs the bad matcups like burn, storm and control. It is so hard to win vs storm, you already use Scavenging Ooze, but other cards i use on and off is Cindervines, Weather the Storm and Damping Sphere.
to win against burn the most effective strategy I have used is the Madcap Experiment and Platinum Emperion combo. otherwise Obstinate Baloth and Kitchen Finks works, the baloth having added bonus of being really good against Burning Inquiry and Liliana of the Veil.
lastly control, i absolutely hate control. oh well here the best thing is getting a Blood Moon out turn 2 it is so important that running stuff like Magus of the Moon is very much worth it. otherwise there is of course Thrun, the Last Troll and Choke.
Hope i helped you out in some way and not just made you angry or something.
1 week ago
1 week ago
The Gitrog Monster could work well as the Ofiri prince in the sewers of Oxenfurt from the HoS DLC.
Necrophages are pretty easy to find in Black. I'm thinking of the new art on Carrion Feeder would work well, so would Phyrexian Ghoul. Wraiths of all kind are also pretty easy to find. Frozen Shade from 5th Edition, Chilling Shade, Liliana's Shade and Nightwing Shade all seem like good options.
Higher Vampires are also pretty easy, you can take your pick from tons of options. Maybe you could put in some legendary vampires that could represent Detlaff and Regis? Maybe Baron Sengir and Crovax the Cursed? Shauku, Endbringer looks like an Alp or Bruxa.
You need a horse and a boat! Sleek Schooner looks about right. There are a surprising amount of horses in Black and Green, the best of which are Nightmare, Timbermare and Vine Mare. Roach looks a bit more like Dusk Charger (minus the red eyes).
The Wild Hunt and the White Frost could be represented by a Snow subtheme. A handful of snow basics, Boreal Druid and Rimebound Dead could be a decent start, along with a few more things like Dead of Winter.
I'll give this some more thought later. Hopefully this gave you some ideas you like!
1 week ago
With the way your deck is evolving, it is starting to look more and more like an orzhov smallpox list. Some stuff I would say about that is that you really need to make sure smallpox doesn't end up being card disadvantage for you, because in most cases, its just card disadvantage or break even. To do that, you need to maximize your Flagstones of Trokair and Bloodghast type cards. I'd run the full 4 Lingering Souls because of that. Also, a card thats worth looking at is Fetid Heath to fix your mana since you have black cards like Liliana of the Veil and Smallpox, which can be awkward to get out with lands like Flagstones of Trokair out. most smallpox decks run 4 Liliana of the Veil, but Cabal Therapist may fill some of the role it does, I don't know though. One last thing that I would say is that Vengeful Pharaoh is a card that seems to slot into smallpox, but no one ever seems to include.
hope this helps.
2 weeks ago
Ok, for the real comment.
You have a very good balance here, and I wouldn't want to mess with that. However, I would use Liliana of the Dark Realms over Liliana of the Veil. You have plenty removal and discard, so only LotV's Ult seems like it adds anything. Albeit, it's a great Ult, I will admit.
Furthermore, if you included LotDR, you could include a couple Consume Spirit pretty easily. And, since you're running 8 fetch lands, you could maybe even throw in a one-of Goblin Charbelcher, just because.
Also, also, mad props for Gatekeeper of Malakir. I don't see that in nearly enough mono-black decks.
2 weeks ago
Liliana of the Veil should also have her nickname be "Big titted lili"
2 weeks ago
Introducing the synonyms/nicknames system to alleviate all those "wtf was that one land of that one cycle named?" problems that plague you.
This system is simple. It is designed to redirect terms that you typed out that match a synonym/nickname of a card, to that card name. This lets you never have to remember the name "Seachrome Coast" and can instead just type out "WU Fastland" (as an example). Note that this only works in text edit entries on deck lists and inventory, not the live edit or the card search forms.
There is a lot of other things that are utilised here as well.
- Godzilla Names
- Non-American Spellings
- Common Nicknames
- Common Misspellings
- Redirections of Misspelled Submissions
- Each side of a split card as a synonym (unless they already exist as a card).
Not needing to know the name of each card in a land/artifact cycle is a big boon, but you still need to know the nickname of that cycle and the syntax. For lands/mana rocks/the swords of X and Y at the present moment it is always "XY Nickname" or "YX Nickname". Examples:
- WU Fastland
- GR BFZ
- GW ABUR Dual Land
- BW Fetch
For 2 colour lands, it is always the two colour letters, followed by the nickname, and then followed by the option to have the world land either connected to the nickname or not. (these are all viable options for example: "WU Fast", "UW Fastland", "UW Fast Land".) For 3 colour lands, it is only the primary order of colour letters you see on cards, or the Alara/Khans name. (WUB Lair, Mardu Triome as examples.) Swords and other artifact cycles follow the same setup (though swords can also be "Sword of GB" or "Sword of G and B"), and mono colour land cycles use the same setup just with only one letter. Note that none of these are plural, so don't put that s in. Colourless cards that are a part of a cycle use C/Colorless/Colourless.
Some of these cycles don't have well defined names yet (like BBD) and some of these cycles have had too many names that people constantly fight over so there was no point in bothering to put them all in and instead I just used the TLA (specifically BFZ).
The primary purpose of this is to make the ability to tag cards and edit decks/inventory far more robust than what it has been. Tappedout doesn't presently have a spellchecker, and to be fair most sites don't. It's not an easy feature to implement. So with this synonyms/nicknames feature, we can alleviate some of those aggravations of misspellings or different ways to spell a word by making them valid targets and redirecting them to the right card name. Another benefit of this is the ability to give cards shorthands or nicknames when the community largely doesn't remember the actual name of a card, just their shorthand. We have all been hit with "wtf is that land's name again?" when we know for a fact that it's just "the blue and white shadows over innistrad reveal land". This saves the step of having to open up a search engine to figure out the card name, and in general speeds up and makes the process of building decks and inventory, a lot more enjoyable.
Cycles that currently have nicknames: Show
- ABUR Duals as ABUR/Duals/ABUR Duals
- MDR Artifact Lands as Artifact Lands
- AKH Bike Lands as Bikes/Bicycles/Bicyclings/Cycle Lands/Cycling Lands
- BFZ Lands as BFZ/BFZ Lands
- RAV Guildhalls as Guildhalls
- SHM/EVE Lands as Filters
- VIS Karoos as Karoos/Bouncelands
- RAV Karoos as Karoos/Bouncelands
- MH1 Lands as Horizons/Canopy Lands
- SOI Lands as SOI Lands/Reveal Lands
- Swords of X and Y as XY Swords/Swords of XY/Swords of X and Y
- Temples as Temples/Scrylands
- IKO Triomes as Triomes/Tricycles/Cycles/Cyclings
A lot of the cycle synonyms are meant to intuitive and robust so that you won't even have to think about knowing what the exact written synonym actually is and still be able to get it right on the first try, though it will take time to reach a point in which this is 100% true. As an example of scope, each recognized nickname for a cycle creates 6 entries for each given card in that cycle. So the AKH lands have 30 entries for each card in that cycle, resulting in a total of 150 entries. The Triomes have the same amount, but if I were to add each individual string combination of the colour letters (WUB, BUW, WBU etc) then that count would increase by 45 for each entry, resulting 75 entries for each one, totalling at 375 entries for the whole cycle.
Nicknames will usually be things like "Snappy", "Bolt", "Path", "Bob", "FoW", etc. They are to be commonly used by the larger community as a whole, not what your FNM/play group exclusively uses (though this isn't a hard set in stone as I'm not omniscient).
Here's a list of nicknames that I have. Show
- Aether Vial: Vial
- Aetherflux Reservoir: Dome Dome
- Assassin's Trophy: Ass Trophy
- Birds of Paradise: Birds, BoP
- Bloodbraid Elf: BBE
- Brimstone Trebuchet: Bucket
- Cavalcade of Calamity: Cavalcade
- Chandra, Fire of Kaladesh Flip: Baby Chandra
- Chandra Nalaar: Zippotricks McEdgelord
- Charming Prince: Prince Charming
- Collected Company: CoCo
- Dark Confidant: Bob
- Dark Ritual: Rit
- Demonic Tutor: DT
- Dig Through Time: DTT
- Eternal Witness: E-Wit, E-Witness
- Explosive Vegetation: Explosive Veggies
- Field of Ruin: FoR
- Force of Will: FoW
- Ghost Quarter: GC
- Gilded Goose: Goose
- Giver of Runes: Mommy, Stepmom
- Goblin Charbelcher: Belcher, Charbelcher
- Gray Merchant of Asphodel: Gary
- Griselbrand: Grizzy B
- Hypnotic Specter: Hippie
- Inquisition of Kozilek: IoK
- Jace, Cunning Castaway: Sexy Jace
- Jace, the Mindsculptor: Jace, JtMS
- Jace, Wielder of Mysteries: Lab Jace,
- Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip: Literal Actual Baby Jace
- Jace Beleren: Party Jace
- Karn Liberated: Karn
- Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker: Kiki, Kiki Jiki, Mirror Breaker
- Kitchen Finks: Finks
- Kytheon, Hero of Akros Flip: Baby Gideon, Baby Gids
- Laboratory Maniac: Lab Man, Lab Maniac
- Life from the Loam: Loam
- Lightning Bolt: Bolt
- Lightning Helix: Helix
- Lightning Strike: Strike
- Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip: Baby Lili
- Liliana, the Last Hope: Last Hope
- Liliana of the Veil: Lili, LotV
- Lion's Eye Diamond: LED
- Llanowar Elves: Dork, Elf
- Mother of Runes: Mom
- Nissa, Vastwood Seer Flip: Baby Nissa
- Oblivion Ring: O-Ring
- Oko, Thief of Crowns: Oko
- Path to Exile: Path, PtE
- Pia and Kiran Nalaar: Chandra's Parents, Mom and Dad, Ma and Pa, Pia and Kiran, Parents
- Pia Nalaar: Chandra's Mom, Pia
- Primeval Titan: Prime Time
- Prodigal Sorcerer: Tim
- Sakura-Tribe Elder: STE, Steve
- Savage Punch: Bear Punch
- Scalding Tarn: Tarn
- Scavenging Ooze: Scooze
- Sensei's Divining Top: Top
- Settle the Wreckage: Settle
- Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon: Skittles
- Smuggler's Copter: Copter, Thopter Copter
- Snapcaster Mage: Snapcaster, Snappy
- Solemn Simulacrum: Sad Robot
- Sorin, Solemn Visitor: Sad Sorin
- Splinter Twin: Twin
- Swords to Plowshares: Swords
- Tarmogoyf: Goyf, Goyfy, Tarmo
- Tectonic Edge: Tec Edge, TecEdge
- Teferi, Hero of Dominaria: 5feri, T5feri
- Teferi, Time Raveler: 3feri, T3feri
- The Gitrog Monster: Gitrog, HypnoToad, Hypno Toad
- Thing in the Ice Flip: Titi
- Torrential Gearhulk: Fatcaster
- True-Name Nemesis: TNM, TNN, True-Name
- Ugin, the Spirit Dragon: Eugene, Ugin
- Wrenn and Six: W6, Wand6, Wn6
Here's a list of non-american spellings I have in: Show
Here's a list of things that is in the works to do. Show
- All triple coloured land cycles (triomes, lairs, trilands) to have an entry for each of their letter combinations. (Example, bant lands would have WUG, GUW, WGU, GWU, UGW, UWG.)
- All dual coloured land cycles will have the ravnican guild names to replace the two colours as an option.
- All land cycles will have the TLA as an option to replace the nickname.
- All land cycles to have "Nickname XY" format.
- More non-american spellings.
- More common misspellings.
- Cards that have or do not have the word "and", to have a synonym of the opposite.
- Synonym that is a version of the card name but without punctuation.
- Nicknames of all the cards with commas that ignores everything past the comma, provided that it is unique.
- Fringe/old land cycles.
- A lot of mana rock cycles.
A card can have any number of synonyms/nicknames. But only one synonym/nickname can be tied to a card. So if a new card/land cycle gets printed that has covers a misspelling (like an UNcard might) or has that nickname as it's actual card name, those synonyms will get removed (as an example, Snapcaster Mage cannot have Snap as a nickname). We are also looking to limit the amount of times a synonym has to get removed so nicknames of cards during their presence in the standard formats are not likely to be put in, as they become forgotten or even re-used when they rotate out. These are also done manually so sometimes a change might just take a while to do if it encompasses a large number of cards or a large number of synonyms.. We also won't be going through alternate language as possible synonyms because WotC doesn't nearly double check duplicate card names for foreign languages as well as they do for English cards.
This is not something on the card submission form, so it is not available to edit for any user.
If you know of something missing like common misspellings or common non-American spellings that will be needed, or cycle syntaxes that you tried to use but didn't work, post them here and I'll review them for possible inclusion in the future.
EDIT: Before you ask for a nickname etc to be added:
- Check if it exists first by trying it out.
- Check if the larger community recognizes it, this is done by going around discords, lgs' and other forums about that nickname.
- Check if it has any nsfw, discriminatory or derogatory terminology, we straight up will not allow these.
This isn't a system for your pet nickname that your local playgroup uses. This is a system that can utilize nicknames that naturally grew organically out of continued use from the larger mtg community as a whole. This isn't a "which nicknames do you think this system could use" but rather "which nicknames that are used across the world that we have missed".
2 weeks ago
I liked some of your suggestions. I especially like Mystic Sanctuary and I added 2 of those, and some more Cryptic Command as well. I also added more Thoughtseize while removing the Faerie Seer copies. and one Liliana of the Veil.