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Liliana of the Veil
Planeswalker — Liliana
+1: Each player discards a card.
-2: Target player sacrifices a creature.
-6: Separate all permanents target player controls into two piles. That player sacrifices all permanents in the pile of his or her choice.
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Liliana of the Veil Discussion
23 hours ago
1 day ago
i don't think you necessarily need Liliana of the Veil. i've played a few people without her in my deck Church of The Operating Room and have had success. granted, she is competitive and does wreck shop but, you can still win games without her. i would say however that perhapsLiliana's Caress as opposed to Necrogen Mists may serve you better. i can understand using mists if you already have it or if it's just preference. +1 for the deck either way!
2 days ago
Good start, but it needs some work. Despise and Duress are not great, you should be running Inquisition of Kozilek and Thoughtseize. I'd run a full playset of Polluted Delta in here if you can afford it. You have way too many basics. Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth should be a two of, especially if you're running Lashwrithe. Ancestral Vision should be Search for Azcanta Flip. Rune Snag is not great either, consider a split between Mana Leak, Logic Knot, Remand, and/or Spell Snare. There's way too many creatures in here, I'd cut down to like 6 creatures and throw in some removal and more counterspells. More Dismember, Fatal Push as a 4 of, and at least two Damnation. Also, Jace Beleren doesn't really fit in this deck. I'd do another Ashiok or a Liliana, like Liliana of the Veil or Liliana Vess.
2 days ago
Just some thoughts:
Cascading into Liliana of the Veil is pretty good, and she is just good in general... maybe more main?
Cascading into discard late isn't the best... maybe consider changing one into a Collective Brutality for versatility (plus you can escalate off of cascading into it)?
Other than that, it seems like a solid build! Good luck, +1, and Happy Junding!
2 days ago
Secondly, I'm still on the fence if Blood Moon should be in the main or in the side. Personally, I like it side because you would like your colors even after Blood Moon is out, which forces you to have at least 1-2 Swamp and one Forest, which restricts your early game, but hey... let's work with this!
As for the mana-base, I would say:
2x Bloodstained Mire (possibly flip numbers with Foothills depending on cuts)
3x Forest (possibly lower depending on cuts)
1x Overgrown Tomb (2 if you move moon to the side)
1x Blood Crypt
so that is 24, which, with 4x 4-drops, is right around where you want to be.. Even though you are playing Blood Moon, you are going to want a decent amount of Man-Lands as, with typical Jund fashion, you will probably be top-decking later in the game, and will want to push damage if you don't hit the Blood Moon. With that said, we need to cut 2 from the main going form 22 -> 24.
Now let's talk about Noble Hierarch. Personally, I say cut it, as it seems underwhelming if not in your opener, and cascading into it is meh (it does give Exalted though...), but if you do keep it (because a T2 Lilly into T3 BBE is BROKEN), make it a 4-of and possibly cut a land to 23. If you cut it, maybe add another Grim Flayer or another Liliana of the Veil to make up for the one extra cut.
Let me say, Grim Flayer is ridiculous with Bloodbraid Elf, so maybe make that a 4-of and move Tireless Tracker to the board. I get it is color intensive, so the decision is, as always, ultimately up to you.
Let me also say that discard and conditional removal seems to be going down in priority with Bloodbraid Elf, so I wouldn't be opposed to going to 4x discard and maybe 2x Fatal Push for another Terminate or Dreadbore or Abrupt Decay (ehhhhh). Plus, that frees up your reliance on Swamp so earlier Forest doesn't seem that bad (to get there with BBE through a Blood Moon).
The sideboard - SPICY. Personally, i say cut the white and have more sideboard slots for what you really want to do, but I cannot say the BBE into Lingering Souls isn't tempting. Id remove the Surgical Extraction and add another Nihil Spellbomb and one Grafdigger's Cage because I feel that combo is low in priority right now, but that depends on your meta. Anger of the Gods also feels outclassed by Damnation, but I cannot argue against the Exile part - once again, meta dependent.
All in all, this seems to be fun! if you want to check out my BBE deck for some explenations, feel free... Junding Them w/ BBE... Good Luck!
2 days ago
Playing so many 4-drops makes Dark Confidant a lot more risky to play and lessens the amount of targets BBE has. I know she always hits something, but more is always better in this situation. She needs to be our absolute top end.
That's my 2 cents. Good luck with the brew.
3 days ago
Happymaster19 I agree that Stromkirk Condemned is way overlooked. Thats why I have it in the side deck. I usually sub them in if Im facing a control deck and need to put out as much damage as possible in a few turns.
Since my build is more beatdown, Smuggler's Copter hasnt been as useful, but Im willing to try it out. I found Id rather have the vampire type to have synergy with and I dont get that as much with vehicles.
I think Liliana of the Veil will always be out of my $ range. Shes great in madness, no doubt!
As far as fetches and Fatal Push I agree that it is what black does best right now. Maybe after saving, fetches will be possible. I know my build isnt 100% competitive/top tier. But with the lands what theyre at, I havent had too much of a problem.
For sideboarding, what do you recommend with common matchups? From vampire player to vampire player, any tips? Thanks in advance!
Ps: I saw your True Blood vampire build. I think Im in love! It looks so good! Very synergistic and flavorful!
3 days ago
If you are looking for suggestions.. I think most people would agree that Modern 8-Rack, in order to be as competitive as your competition, requires Liliana of the Veil in place of something like Necrogen Mists.