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Liliana of the Veil
Planeswalker — Liliana
+1: Each player discards a card.
-2: Target player sacrifices a creature.
-6: Separate all permanents target player controls into two piles. That player sacrifices all permanents in the pile of his or her choice.
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Liliana of the Veil Discussion
4 hours ago
3 out of 10? I don't want to come across as harsh, but this won't fare well in competitive modern. It looks like a blast to play in casual and has the right idea, however most games of modern are over in 4-6 turns.
Remove all 6 and 7 drops and most 3, 4, and 5 drops. Add more one drops like Fatal Push, Thoughtseize, and Inquisition of Kozilek. Bontu's Last Reckoning is a powerful way to keep aggro decks in check, but best off on the sideboard.
Tron is a painful deck. Frankly I don't have good advice on how to approach them. Thoughtseize into Liliana of the Veil is miserable for them, but then you have to own Liliana and even then it doesn't always work.
17 hours ago
Hey there, I've been playing Esper control on and off for the past couple years (playing Azorius when I get tired of Esper) and I've got a couple suggestions.
For counterspells, Remand is a great card and at first it feels like an awesome control card, but in practice it plays as much more of a tempo piece than an actual control spell. You may be better off running something that actually deals with the threat (putting it in the graveyard) rather than just delaying the inevitable, like Spell Snare. Supreme Will is another option you might want to try 1-2 of. Not playing any double blue does shut you out of some of the most powerful countermagic like Disallow, Cryptic Command, and Logic Knot, so I'd recommend you reconsider that bit of your gameplan, but know that you do have better options than Remand even if you decide to stick with only single blue cards. In terms of number, I'd say 5-10 is the range you should shoot for, but the actual sweet spot is up to you to determine.
For card advantage, I'd agree that a second Search for Azcanta Flip is the right choice. Note that even if you draw both, the flip ability is a 'may' effect, so you can flip one, then play the second and not flip it so you can keep the effects of both. I'd also suggest trading the Serum Visions for Opts. Serum Visions is similar to Remand in that it's a very powerful card, but it fits best in a different kind of deck - you don't need to fix your draws for a combo piece nearly so much as you need to hold up mana for counters and removal, so the instant speed part of Opt becomes relevant. Lastly, as I already mentioned, Supreme Will is an often overlooked modal spell that does excellent work digging for an answer or win condition when you need one.
Now for my personal thoughts - 9 Planeswalkers + 4 Lingering Souls + 2 Monastery Mentor = 15 non-control cards. Admittedly they do have some control elements to them, but even so dedicating a quarter of your deck to what is essentially just win conditions is something you're likely going to struggle with in a control deck. You're going to find too often you have a handful of cards that can help win the game once your in control, but no cards to stop your opponent from completely taking over. I'd recommend you cut to at most 7 Planeswalkers + 4 Lingering Souls. Monastery Mentor fits in the same category as Remand and Serum Visions in that it's powerful, but a control deck isn't necessarily the right home for it. It fits much cleaner in a straight tempo deck.
Now, keep in mind this is all just my opinions and you're free to build your deck however you like. They are, however, well informed and experienced opinions.If I had to make a loose recommendation I'd say you should cut 3x Remand, 4x Serum Visions, 1x Liliana of the Veil, 1x Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip, and 2x Monastery Mentor to replace them with 2x Spell Snare, 2x Supreme Will, 4x Opt, 2x Damnation, and 1x Thoughtseize.
Sideboard is, as you said, very meta dependant. If you let me know what your meta is like I can help with that too
on Say My Name
1 day ago
Out of curiosity, why aren't you running The Rack? It isn't expensive, and it is more consistent than the Quest for the Nihil Stone. Also, Desecration Demon is ok, but a card like Master of the Feast is cheaper and the drawback is virtually non-existent in your deck, though I would take it out vs control as the instant speed may be troublesome. I personally enjoy Stain the Mind as it is able to be convoked. I realize Dreamstealer is recurrable discard, but you run so many discard effects, I think I'd replace him with someone like Erebos, God of the Dead to hose lifegain and add card draw. I'd add two of him and perhaps 2 Nyxathid or another alternative win-con in its place. Best of luck though! If you ever get the chance, a play set of Liliana of the Veil is basically required to make decks like this truly competitive. But you can do quite well at the FNM level without her.
3 days ago
Legendary Planeswalker - Greth
+1 Tap target creature. It doesn't untap as long as you control this Planeswalkers.
-3 Put target tapped creature on the bottom of it's owners library.
-7 You get an emblem with "Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery, return target creature to it's owners hand."
I feel like my challenge from earlier was not appropriately met.
The new Lilianas from M19 feel underpowered for her having killed her Demons and gaining full control over The Chain Veil.
Make a Modern-viable Liliana that's super powerful. She should have at minimum a $50 price tag. This means low Mana cost with high impact, like Liliana of the Veil. But make this one do something different.
5 days ago
Hey there. I know you said not to comment on the mana base but honestly it looks pretty alright. The only three changes I would make are to switch the Island for a second Forest. Green is more important and prominent in the deck so having a land that can only be blue kinda sucks. The second and third changes are to take out the Flooded Strand and some other land, probably a Botanical Sanctum. Infect plays all low cmc cards so 19 lands is optimal. I would cut Flooded Strand because you only want to play fetches that can get green. Anyway sorry for the mana base rant I know you said not to. In the rest of the mainboard everything seems good. If you take out 2 lands, I would add 2 Become Immense or a Become Immense and a Spell Pierce. Other than that everything is good. In the sideboard I would replace the Fracturing Gust and Damping Sphere. Fracturing Gust is far to expensive. It can only be played on like turn 4-5 with a Noble Hierarch and that requires tapping out. Its just too much mana. Damping Sphere does more harm than good. You're usually gonna win against Tron so the first ability is useless and Grafdigger's Cage is better against Storm because it doesn't harm you. I would replace these two with a Spell Pierce and a Nissa, Voice of Zendikar. Nissa is great against edict effects like Liliana of the Veil and aggro decks like Humans where you can just get a free blocker every turn. Anyway, other than those the deck seems solid. I currently play a Sultai Infect deck, which I will link below. Best of luck to you and your Phyrexian endeavors!
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6 days ago
I haven't been good about documenting updates so just leaving this comment to explain the most recent changes. I liked Smuggler's Copter in this deck & after doing some research saw people were having success running W/B Zombie Copter lists. I decided to keep it mono-black but added Bloodghast since it plays well with Copter, then added Collective Brutality & Cryptbreaker to further enable Bloodghast & improve overall deck synergy. Gifted Aetherborn, Plague Belcher, Victim of Night & Lashwrithe were cut. Other cards like Bone Picker have also been left out because they weren't very good.
The deck would probably benefit from Liliana of the Veil but I feel ok playing without it. Overall the changes seem more aggressive & enable a very low curve with maximum focus on efficient & resilient aggro creatures. One downside is a lack of blockers, but there's plenty of removal spells. I'm hoping the deck has some legs in modern!
1 week ago
Sargeras Dude I loved your deck How The Devil Plays MTG: The Mono-Black Primer but I dont have enought money for the non basic lands and the planeswalkers,maybe Liliana,the last hope, but do you have any ideia about what I can put instead this cards? 3x Liliana of the Veil 1x Liliana, the Last Hope 4x Bloodstained Mire 4x Marsh Flats 2x Polluted Delta
1 week ago
I agree with xyr0s. You are missing Raven's Crime and Smallpox, two of 8-racks staple cards. Blightning is neat, but one of the strong points of the 8-rack shell is only needing swamps. It could be used as a finisher.
You'd need to run some Blackcleave Cliffs. You need to make sure you had access to both colours at latest turn 2.
I would also not use Wrench Mind. Conditional discard is generally sub par.