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Liliana of the Veil
Planeswalker — Liliana
+1: Each player discards a card.
-2: Target player sacrifices a creature.
-6: Separate all permanents target player controls into two piles. That player sacrifices all permanents in the pile of his or her choice.
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Liliana of the Veil Discussion
2 hours ago
I did some play testing today and yesterday, and I did like a lot of the suggestions that you guys came up with, and made some changes.
APPLE01DOJ I removed those Thought Scour and Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip. I still stand by some points I made, but I was able to find better threats than Jace, and thus didn't really need the pitch from Thought Scour.
Jhed1 - I removed Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet as the felt slow and I wasn't getting THAT much value out of it. I also moved Collective Brutality to the main to help with discard with removing one Liliana of the Veil. I don't know if I made the right decision with quatity and completly replacing Thoughtseize, so some feedback on that would be great!
Xanimus well then, you may have just saved me a good chunk of money of getting Baubles. Architects of Will is a spectacular substitute in this deck. I also do like the addition of Grim Flayer, but I think I like my Snapcaster Mage count where it is.
All in all, I think the changes are sound. I am still playtesting the other ideas out, but please let me know what you think of the changes!
8 hours ago
Sounds like you want recurring discard effects. Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip is somewhat a cheaper version of Liliana of the Veil in case you don't feel like paying a fairly heavy point in actual money. Cao Cao, Lord of Wei is a decent one, and you can pair him with Fatestitcher to absolutely murder a hand on turn 6. Crosis, the Purger is like a mini-Bolas.
Wheel of Fortune is considered by a lot of people to be core for red decks in EDH. You'll pretty much always be on the better end of it if your hand is empty. Bonus points for adding Rhystic Study to that mess.
Cruel Ultimatum, Bite of the Black Rose, Capital Punishment, and Dark Intimations are both spells that are pretty heavy hitters in the sorcery speed discard department. You may also want to consider the traditional black discard spells like Duress, Wrench Mind, Blackmail, and Smallpox.
Teferi's Puzzle Box is a nice one-sided card advantage for you, and gives Rhystic another toy to play with.
15 hours ago
Just a thought, Grim Flayer? Seems good in a deck like this. Personally, I would either go for the playset of Mishra's Bauble or none at all, simply for consistency reasons (Just my opinion). There's also a neat little card called Architects of Will.. Mainly gonna be used for cycling in a deck like this, but it gets both Artifact and Creature type into grave.Also, I would consider dropping a Liliana of the Veil for a single Liliana, the Last Hope. Her +1 kills/shuts down a large number of creatures in the format, as well as allowing you to win Tarmogoyf wars.
Anyways, these suggestions are more for a graveyard based build, but this already looks great as is :)
17 hours ago
19 hours ago
- I notice Misty Rainforest in your maybeboard, but I'd recommend Wooded Foothills instead. They don't look as nice, but they're the second-least expensive of the Green Fetches.
- It can be useful sometimes to leave an un-cracked Fetch on the battlefield. E.g., for a Landfall trigger on Groundswell or to Fetch Dryad Arbor in response to a -2 from Liliana of the Veil.
- You might look at adding some Become Immense. The card is absurdly powerful if you can reliably get a bunch of cards into the Graveyard, and the Fetches help a lot.
One more thing: I personally like Vines of Vastwood more than Blossoming Defense, so would run a 3-3 split or 4-2 the other way. Partly because Vines can go up to +4/+4 (although the extra mana is a heavy price). But mostly because 'can't be the target or spells or abilities your opponents control this turn' is much better than 'gains hexproof'. The deal with Vines is you can also cast it on an opponent's Creature, and then they can't target their own dude that turn with pump spells, or Equip abilities, or really anything that targets.
As always, draw well!
20 hours ago
Love the deck man! +1Also thank you for your advice!You ever think of running hand disruption, or is that too stressful for the mana base?I'm also against Liliana of the Veil being added, while great card, double black seems rough.Fatal Push may be a good option for extra spot removal in side.
1 day ago
1 day ago
Jhed1 - I think that I currently would want to stay with hand-disruption - thus why I don't have much (any) counter-magic.
Seeing as I want to play discard, 4x Liliana of the Veil seems like the right move, but I very well may cut one or even 2 if I decide to move else-where with my deck.
Thought Scour - See above
Mishra's Bauble - I feel that this is still relevant with Tarmogoyf, but I may cut down to 2... If I do decide to go more creature based, I may think of adding Traverse the Ulvenwald, but currently, I don't think it is in the right place with this deck.
Dark Confidant - Once again, trying to decide over Bob or Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip. Although Bob is SPECTACULAR card advantage, I take enough damage the way it is with my lads (which could change), and Jace provides the threat of flipping as well as looting.
Thanks for your input!