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Liliana of the Veil
Planeswalker — Liliana
+1: Each player discards a card.
-2: Target player sacrifices a creature.
-6: Separate all permanents target player controls into two piles. That player sacrifices all permanents in the pile of his or her choice.
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Liliana of the Veil Discussion
2 days ago
I'm assuming the 1-ofs of like 100,000 different things are an attempt to insert more ways to deal with more things, so that you can have 62 cards that can deal with everything. Don't do that. Your draws, with this many 1- and 2-ofs and more than 60 cards, has incredibly inconsistent draws. If you want to make an Abzan midrange list, make it a midrange list, not a do-everything toolbox list. Establish a strong base of about 5 different creatures and run no less than 2 of each. If I were you, I'd make it Noble Hierarch, Siege Rhino, Voice of Resurgence, Loxodon Smiter, and either Anafenza, the Foremost or Kitchen Finks. Cut Undying Evil and Cloudshift. Those don't contribute anything towards what a true midrange list wants to do. Shrink your removal suite down to some combination of Abrupt Decay, Fatal Push, and Path to Exile, and choose between Inquisition of Kozilek and Thoughtseize for disruption. Don't try to run them both in small numbers. Your best planeswalker options are Sorin, Solemn Visitor, Liliana of the Veil, Gideon, Ally of Zendikar, and Garruk Relentless Flip. If I were you, I'd pick ONE AND ONLY ONE of them to run as a 3-of AT THE MOST. Get rid of Isolated Chapel, Woodland Cemetery, and Sunpetal Grove. Keep it at Shocks, Fetches, two to three basics, and MAYBE ONE COPY of Gavony Township. If you want, You could probably run ONE COPY of ONE of the manlands, but not all three. They always enter tapped, which is a huge disadvantage in this format.
Believe me, my first attempt at a modern deck was a bit like this. But it was inconsistent and it had too much going on. Look at some established Abzan Midrange lists for inspiration and guidance. Read the primers. Learn from the winning lists. And don't EVER underestimate the value of a) running a full 4 of a card and b) keeping your deck at 60 cards.
2 days ago
mattman856 thank you kindly for the like and suggestion mate!
You think so? My idea was that traditionally, 8Rack has a full set of Liliana of the Veil. Since that unfortunately not in the budget at this point, NecroMists is the best equivalent at forcing a discard per turn.
3 days ago
Perhaps the 2 Dryad Militant for 2 copies of Tidehollow Sculler? I think that Militant is a good card, but perhaps better in the sideboard in case you have to face things like Lingering Souls or Snapcaster Mage.
In my opinion, discard is never a bad thing in any matchup. Inquisition of Kozilek and Thoughtseize remove all kind of threats, whether creatures or non-creature spells, so it is good against aggro, control and basically anything in between. I would probably say that they work best against midrange decks like jund or abzan because Inquisition of Kozilek alone is capable of removing their biggest threats (Tarmogoyf, Liliana of the Veil and Grim Flayer). Kinda depends on your local meta too.
4 days ago
well Wall of Omens would help smooth out my curve since I don't have enough 2 drops, so that's definitely something to consider. I feel like the "stop them" side of the deck is already pretty good. I did cut the Anger of the Gods recently so it might be weak to certain things like Eldrazi tokens or some random thopter deck or something, but with 8 targeted discards I can probably strip their hand of problem cards a good percentage of the time anyways.
I think it's a good idea and it works in the build, interesting to see a guy across the world come up with the same deck plan. I don't know if I'm convinced I need it though. The Platinum Emperion brick walls a lot of aggressive strategies, leaving them dead in the water until they topdeck a Path to Exile. It just seems hard to find 4 more slots when I've already shaved so many other places (3 Thoughtseize and Inquisition of Kozilek instead of 4, no more maindeck Anger of the Gods, etc.). I'm not convinced Liliana of the Veil is "bad" here either, certainly less good than in some decks but still good against control and at least an expensive removal spell against aggro.
4 days ago
Memphismaymagic5- He certainly CAN build this like a midrange deck, but wilt-leaf variants of the deck lean more towards aggression than they do towards midrange. If you compare the traditional builds of Abzan to the wilt-leaf versions, you'll notice the differences in playstyle by their card selection. For example, traditional Abzan plays Liliana of the Veil, one of the best attrition cards in the game, along with creatures like Grim Flayer to win the topdeck war. Here we ideally want to beat down as fast as possible with creatures pumped up with Wilt-leaf's ability. If you imagine each deck's ideal opening hand, this concept becomes quite clear. The best opening hand with a traditional Abzan midrange build is turn 1 discard spell, turn 2 threat, turn 3 Lily, and removal and threats after. Here, the ideal game is turn 1 dork, turn 2 3-drop (preferably with 2 colors in its cost), turn 3 liege or rhino, turn 4 liege + removal. While both decks play similarly after turn 5, playing threats and removal as needed, the base build of the wilt-leaf list isn't geared towards an extended game nearly as much as the normal midrange abzan lists. Therefore, I'm always in favor of playing towards a decks strengths rather than try and dilute the primary gameplan (at least in game 1) by trying to do too much. Having the discard in the SB means it's still there when he needs it, but for game 1 it's better to have a deck that consistently does what you want it to do.
4 days ago
I also like to comment on the discard spells and what GeminiSpartanX said. You definitely play a more midrange-oriented deck and not a full aggro abzan build, so there is no reason not to play at least some Inquisition of Kozilek mainboard. If you look at other abzan midrange builds, they all play inquisition, and sometimes even Thoughtseize, mainboard. Even if inquisition is 'rotting' in your hand, and you play it on turn 3 or later, I don't understand why this is bad? Late game doesn't mean that your opponent won't draw things like Liliana of the Veil, Tarmogoyf or Snapcaster Mage for you to remove with discard spells, right?
Also, you don't always have mana dorks in your opening hand, so if you play more 1-cost cards like inquisition, your chances of doing something on turn 1 grow exponential. In a fast format like modern, this is crucial.
4 days ago
One Card I'd consider mainboarding at least 1 if not 2 would be Anguished Unmaking. Anguished Unmaking = Abrupt Decay for this color combination. It also gives you ALOT more reach with the deck as now you can get rid of a opponents Nahiri, the Harbinger, Liliana of the Veil, Cranial Plating, or anything else you can think of. While it does take down some life you should be gaining it in EXCESS!!!!
4 days ago
I currently am selling or trading (depending on what you have that catches my interest) the following cards.
ALL CARDS ARE PACK FRESH/NM
Karakas < Eternal Masters
Damnation < MM Print
Sylvan Library < MM Print
Wasteland < Eternal Masters
Polluted Delta x4 < Khans Print
Wrath of God < Full art promo
Mystical Tutor x2 < Eternal Masters
Verdant Catacombs < MM Print
Marsh Flats < MM Print
Arid Mesa < MM Print
I have much more in my binder but these are cards I would like to get rid of!
Currently cards I am seeking are the following. Open to other trades of course these are just the cards I want BADLY!
Bayou MP is fine, only looking for a revised edition.
Liliana of the Veil < Pro Tour Promo
Avacyn, Angel of Hope < Russian NM. Will buy!
Emeria Angel < WPN Promo
Azusa, Lost but Seeking < Judge Promo