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Liliana of the Veil
Planeswalker — Liliana
+1: Each player discards a card.
-2: Target player sacrifices a creature.
-6: Separate all permanents target player controls into two piles. That player sacrifices all permanents in the pile of his or her choice.
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Liliana of the Veil Discussion
21 hours ago
Thanks for all the ideas SynergyBuild! I currently run Woodfall Primus already as a four of =P I am testing taking out one Grave Titan for 1 Wurmcoil Engine. Cataclysmic Gearhulk looks to be a very interesting card and going to play with that as well. Lately I've been tossing the idea of investing 2 Liliana of the Veil and seeing how those play out.
23 hours ago
You need more discard. You are a mixture of Pillow Fort, part Discard, part creature hate. You don't have enough deck space to make all that work. On a budget, Mono Black is best. Focus on your 1cmc discard: Raven's Crime Blackmail Duress Funeral Charm. Blackmail can hit lands when they have 3 cards in hand and combos nice with Extirpate for Tron lands or even get lucky with a Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle. Funeral Charm can kill a lot of Affinity's creatures or even make them discard during their draw phase. A very versatile card even when not on a budget. Bontu's Last Reckoning is a great wrath that is cheap and doesn't set you back much since you can cast most of your spells for B.
You should also be running Wrench Mind because it gets rid of 2 cards. And just say no to Bloodchief Ascension it is only good at turn 1. Get a playset of Fatal Push since that card is useful in every format. Dismember is also a great card since it can kill things Fatal Push can't. You need to also understand that this deck is very subpar until you get 4xLiliana of the Veil. Collective Brutality is an amazing card vs burn or Storm.
1 day ago
Shrieking Affliction vs Quest for the Nihil Stone is determined by the conditions of quest. If you draw it early, it's no problem to get your opponent to discard twice. but if you draw it turn 5, having the game in topdeck mode and perhaps with Necrogen Mists on the table, it's really hard to get counters on it, as your opponent just keeps playing what he draws every turn, and doesn't stop and wait and discard anything. You don't have any instant speed discard, so that can go on for quite a while. Additionally, Lilana's Caress is caught by the same problem - opponent never discards, therefore it never triggers (really it's a card that belongs in another decktype - the type that makes you draw and discard like mad, with stuff like Reforge the Soul).
Blackmail is a bit too risky, in my opinion. I get it, I get it - it's unconditional, takes everything... but not on turn 1. On turn 1, you play it, and your opponent lets you choose the worst 3 cards in his opening hand. Against decks that use their graveyard, this is actually handing them an advantage (just imagine it: the dredge player giving you the choice of Golgari Thug, Stinkweed Imp, and Life from the Loam - and due to the wording of blackmail, you are not allowed to say no).
Duress is better, even if a bit boring-but-practical, especially since it handles quite a lot of the answers that can be played against you.
Smallpox is a much better card for you than either of the white token-makers. It stops your opponents plays early, both by discard, by loss of creature and by loss of mana. That should keep his cards from being played maybe one more turn, and as a discard deck, you have it a lot easier dealing with a card in hand, rather than on the table. shortversion: discard AND removal.
If you want to spice up your lands a bit, you could play 2 or 3 Howltooth Hollow.
2 days ago
Propaganda doesnt work if your opponent attacks a Plainswalker.
Norn's Annex is better for a Superfriends deck if you need the protection.
6 days ago
This is one of the decks that can be made bit-by-bit. Play with what you have, but start trading/buying for cards for it. Admitted, it's hard to play 8rack without the wincons, but beyond that, gradual improvement is fine. Liliana of the Veil is a nice card, but until you have found 4 of those, Necrogen Mists is a decent budget-friendly alternative. Howltooth Hollow is also a decent card for this decktype.
the enchantment combo belongs in edh. It requires way too much mana for modern, and having enough copies of the enchantments and/or tutors for them would take up space from your discard strategy.
6 days ago
I also like that you're playing Torment of Hailfire. You can really ruin someone's day with that mid to late game when it can be cast for a large X.
If you get a larger budget or can trade for cards, Thoughtseize and Inquisition of Kozilek (like others have mentioned) are both really good. Ensnaring Bridge is another. Liliana of the Veil, Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, and Dark Confidant are probably the other options that I can think of off the top of my head.
6 days ago
Core of your deck looks great! Here are some sideboard suggestions:Sideboard Mark of Asylum because red global cards like Anger of the Gods kill most of your combo creatures. Grand Abolisher is sideboard against other people's counter spells or instant speed removalLeyline of Sanctity is very important to stop cards like Thoughtseize. Side in Stony Silence against Affinity decks. Yes it blocks your untap but your combos don't need the artifacts untap ability, only it's haste effect which still works even in stony silence. Sideboard Dispel against instant speed removal cards & opponent's coubterspells. Sideboard Pithing Needle to counter Liliana of the Veil, Cranial Plating, Lightning Storm, Aether Vial, Expedition Map, any planeswalker, Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker and more.
1 week ago
I think this deck could really benefit from more graveyard interactions (like Tasigur, the Golden Fang etc.) to make your hand "bigger". I know that I personally am not the biggest fan of cards like Snapcaster Mage and Liliana of the Veil because they are absurdly powerful, but I feel like this is a perfect deck for snappy. I'm also not sure this is currently the right deck for Liliana of the Veil. Other than Thoughtseize, which in my mind does not NEED to be run alongside Inquisition of Kozilek, you don't run too many discard targets. I think this deck could benefit from either a more traditional control style, or from going the full Thought Scour self mill/discard game that I don't quite see here (in which case i would keep lili). This is just my thought on the directions I would personally take the deck in. But I still LOVE the combo you highlighted and think this can be a very strong and fun deck to play. Great job as usual cplvela0811!