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Liliana of the Veil
Planeswalker — Liliana
+1: Each player discards a card.
-2: Target player sacrifices a creature.
-6: Separate all permanents target player controls into two piles. That player sacrifices all permanents in the pile of their choice.
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Liliana of the Veil Discussion
5 hours ago
Not to beat a dead horse, but I thought I'd bring up Shirei again (and my deck specifically, The Recursion Nightmare), just because I've actually changed it around a fair bit since last time. Workhorse , Harvester of Souls , Heap Doll , Myr Sire , Diabolic Revelation , Homeward Path , Mindslaver , Arcbound Reclaimer , Sorin Markov , Dictate of Erebos , and Coffin Queen are all out in favor of Midnight Reaper , Mausoleum Secrets , Skyscanner , Dusk Legion Zealot , Sensei's Divining Top , Cabal Stronghold , Petrified Field , Burglar Rat , Liliana of the Veil , Sanguine Bond , and Exquisite Blood .
The wincons are stronger, the mana curve is lower (and more balanced), the cabal-tron package is now super-redundant (with Cabal Coffers , Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth , Vesuva , Deserted Temple , Petrified Field , Cabal Stronghold , and Expedition Map ), the stax effects are stronger, and the utility spells are cheaper. I'd say the deck has gotten at least 12% better, which, admittedly, goes against what I said ealier about the deck being almost perfect (though, in my defense, I hadn't yet taken a good look at some of the cards they've been printing recently--that's the great thing about Shirei, he only gets better the more worthless black commons they release).
I might take out the sanguine bond + exquisite blood wincon for Desecrated Tomb and Torment of Hailfire . Desecrated Tomb is more value, but obviously not really a wincon unless things are going way too well for me, and Torment of Hailfire isn't nearly as straightforward as Exsanguinate , but they might be better, anyhow.
Also, I still stand by Damnation --especially now that I'm playing Midnight Reaper and Dusk Legion Zealot , my life total is kind of a precious resource--sure, toxic deluge might be worth it anyhow, but it also kills my commander (read: I get my board state back after a damnation), so it's not strictly worse--though, I might consider playing deluge over Oblivion Stone , even though that card is my one way of dealing with problem enchantments, for instance.
Oh, and, I considered adding Pitiless Plunderer , but, again, the list is really tight, and I'd rather have Black Market over him, as I don't need more than one color of mana, the mana from Black Market accumulates, and it triggers whenever anything dies (relevant with Grave Pact ).
There are probably still better Shirei decks out there that still wouldn't qualify him for tier 3, but, frankly, even given a casual glance, tier 3 could easily be split up into multiple tiers (or just not have so many commanders crammed in it, and maybe we add a new bottom tier). I mean, Ghost Council of Orzhova and Ambassador Laquatus probably shouldn't be in the same category as Aminatou, the Fateshifter and Oloro, Ageless Ascetic , for instance. All the same, just in case these somehow weren't already obvious, let me detail a few of the more interesting interactions Shirei has with some of the dorks in this deck:
Mesmeric Fiend has an O-ring trick going on where, if we sacrifice him before his first ability resolves, the second ability triggers and does nothing, then we exile a card from our opponent's hand permanently. Doing that every turn with a sac outlet can be pretty good, and if you do it for long enough, you'll have everyone topdecking. I used to play Brain Maggot in this vein, but later learned that that works differently--it's all wrapped up into one ability, so if he dies before it resolves, during resolution, we take a card, the game sees that it's dead, then we immediately return it to their hand. Not very good, obviously.
Coffin Queen has a slightly different but effectively equivalent O-ring trick--if she's sacrificed before her ability resolves, the ability resolves, but since she's dead, the game doesn't remember her as an object and the delayed trigger of the ability can never happen, so we keep the creature permanently. When Coffin Queen comes back, she is, of course, a new object with a different timestamp.
Oh, and, in case this one wasn't obvious, cards like Mindless Automaton work with Shirei because their power is 1 or less when they enter the graveyard, thus triggering Shirei's ability, and their power doesn't become more than 1 until they've already entered the battlefield, as per layering rules.
1 day ago
As an Infect player, I like both vs burn. If burn is currently your biggest issue, side 2 Wild Defiance and keep both spellskites in. If you're still having issues look at more Dispel , Negate , Spell Pierce etc to side in, so your deck turns more from aggro to control. Personally I'm not a fan of Kitchen Finks , I've always felt it dilutes your wincons but that's up to you. I don't see any reason for nissa, if you want another 3-drop then finks would fit better.
A side note, consider switching Mutagenic Growth for more Apostle's Blessing . They are a lot more flexible and can help shove damage through. I know you don't run a lot of fetches but a mainboard Dryad Arbor is good as an emergency chump block, or to respond to a -2 from Liliana of the Veil
3 days ago
I mean, Strip Mine and Wasteland are staple inclusions in pretty much any deck, but if you really think the manabase is that weak then fair enough.
I suppose the deck really does run too many pillow-fort effects, but, yes, I tend to play in metas with lots of creatures, so I tend to think that having a wipe suite (unless you're playing mono-green or something) is effectively a necessity.
Also, what's wrong with Command Beacon, exactly? I suppose if you're just really looking for lands to axe, fine, but it's not a weak card in and of itself--at least when your commander is better than Daxos.
I also completely forgot that Porphyry Nodes was a card, honestly. Otherwise, it'd be in there.
Your full list of replacements would make it to where we're playing a lot fewer enchantments, but I suppose Daxos isn't that great anyway, so, whatever. I'm honestly not sure if making that deck would qualify Daxos for tier 3, frankly, as it's more the deck than the commander or any synergy he has with it that's any good, but, whatever. I'm at least proud of how the mana curve in that deck is basically perfect, which is something your suggestions mess with slightly, but I suppose that doesn't really matter.
I just built that deck as an experiment, so I don't really care about it too much. Here, on the other hand, is a deck I've actually played extensively and have been tuning ever since I first made it:
Begin The Hymns. It's a Seton, Krosan Protector deck, and when I originally made it and shared it here, he was a very rogue af commander who was tier 4 or 5, but he got moved up to tier 3 after that point. The deck hasn't changed much since then, and I don't think I'm arguing for it to be moved up to tier 2 (the only mono-green commander in tier 2 is Selvala, Heart of the Wilds , and I'm assuming that's because she's draw in addition to ramp), but I would like to point out that Seton is perhaps the fastest mono-green ramp commander in the format. His ability effectively gives every druid in the deck haste (though, many of them have better abilities of their own), making him much faster than Azusa, Lost but Seeking , Omnath, Locus of Mana , and even Selvala (though she's probably still better).
At times, it's practically a storm deck--I've played some very interesting lines with it before. One time, my last opponent almost had me hard-locked by being able to recur Pernicious Deed and Liliana of the Veil with Doubling Season on the board thanks to Muldrotha, the Gravetide , and I believe what happened was I drew and played Green Sun's Zenith , got Eternal Witness , she got back Natural Order , I cast Natural Order getting Grave Sifter to get back all of the druids he'd previously wiped, then, with my remaining mana, I cast Aluren , then went off and killed him that turn (I had Zendikar Resurgent on the battlefield, hence why I had the mana for all that in the first place). I've cast Genesis Wave for 55 on turn 6 before thanks to Gaea's Cradle , Voyaging Satyr , Argothian Elder , and Vitalize . Yes, the deck dies to boardwipes (especially instant-speed ones) and counterspells, but it's surprisingly resilient, and also quite redundant, provided my opponents don't follow up by slamming some stax effect (which they probably would).
4 days ago
If your playing a rack deck at the moment, you should probably be main-decking graveyard hate. Too many modern decks use the graveyard as a resource... Necrogen Mists is on occasion included in budget list to dummy as Liliana of the Veil , giving regular discard. Hostile Desert in a deck splashing white anyway, is possibly a worse Shambling Vent . Vicious Rumors might be of more help than Duress, it's a new card though so I'm not sure. Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip might be usable from the sideboard, if you have something like Death Cultist or Nyxathid which could double as a threat. Hope this is of help, good luck with your deck.
4 days ago
I am evaluating her The same as Liliana of the Veil Lily gets played in decks that compliments the plus ability and the minus, both not great but in an attrition matches. Fall of Thran would be fun. I am still tinkering with some ideas to clean up a B/W control shell.
1 week ago
good day! i was wanting to bring something knew to our modern fnm and thought gee, no one here actually knows 8-rack! everyones buisy netdecking popular tier lists ill probably get a ton of what the fu--?? playing this juicy deck..
despite being a veteran modern player im no pro at this archtype tho so i was hoping for advice from you guys =) the decks expected to surely arrive are:
2x hollowed one 1x grixis death shadow 1x eldrazi and taxes 3x arclight phoenix variants 1x uw spirits 1x bant spirits 1x amulet titan 1x naya burn
so i have a few questions specifically.
would the Ensnaring Bridge variant be better here?
could Duress be good over card:thought seize? theres alot of buning going around.
i have 0 idea how this deck matches vs kci and dredge. any tips incase i see em?
i do intend to run a Smallpox variant in the deck, just coz i like the card =)
thanks for any help guys! any tips are greatly appreciated too!
1 week ago
1 week ago
just out of curiosity, why abzan and not just monoblack devotion? you could add Gray Merchant of Asphodel and if you have the money Liliana of the Veil. plus there are plenty of other black removal spells like Go for the Throat or Walk the Plank or Victim of the night. also if you do black devotion you could run Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx