Hedron Archive

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Tiny Leaders Legal
Limited Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Modern Legal
Highlander Legal
Penny Dreadful Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Leviathan Legal
Legacy Legal
Frontier Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Unformat Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Commander 2018 (C18) Uncommon
Commander 2017 (C17) Uncommon
Battle for Zendikar (BFZ) Uncommon

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Hedron Archive Discussion

enpc on Aurelia, the Warleader

20 hours ago

TheWarleadersFury: There's some flaws in both your and DespairFaction's arguments though. From the top:

  • The issue with the artifact lands is that there is enough artifact hate out there that adding them to help just one instance of metalcraft seems not worth it. If you were running Mox Opal and a few other effects, sure, however here the reward doesn't seem to match the risk. Not to mention its for a card which just helps equip costs and by the time you're actually going ot be playing and equiping stuff where it's actually relevant you already have metalcraft.

  • For Boros Garrison , it's fine if you want to run a crad because you like the art or the flavour. But overall the ravnica bounce lands are detrimental in the vast majority of decks. In opposition to what was said, you can't count them as two lands. They are at best a land that taps for two mana, however for most decks the drawbacks are significant enough not to run. The issue with them is not that they don't do anything the turn the come down but that they negate turn two especially. Turn two for most decks is where they start pulling ahead. A majority of ramp spells are 2 CMC and they completely undo your second turn. Even with a Temple of Triumph , you could play it turn one to have access to two mana on your second turn. But you can't do that with the ravnica bounce lands. And on top of that, they aren't ramping either. Ancient Tomb gives you +1 on your pool at the cost of life. These cards don't. The only time they could be somewhat useful is if you're struggling to hit your third land. And in that case, you should be aiming your ramp to be 2 CMC rather than 3+.

  • Yes, solemn gives you a card when it dies, but a skilled oppoennt will understand opportunity cost. "I could not attack and they won't get a card, but that completely delays my strategy. Or I could attack, give them a single card and work towards killing them". If your opponent isn't going to attack because of a Solemn, chances are they aren't going to attack because of a few tokens, which will do much more work in the long run.

  • 8/9 ramp pieces is not a good amount of ramp. Especailly with a 6 CMC commander and a curve peaking at 4 CMC. You should be aiming for somewhere in the 15 ramp card effects, with a bunch of them being 2 CMC (or less if you can). If you were running 14 other ramp cards and had Solemn, I would say that's fine. But with a relatively low amount of ramp and having a bunch of expensive (read 4 CMC) ramp cards, I would say that you need to slim your curve. While yes, anything less than 5 mana technically ramps into your commander, the cheaper it is, the more of them you can chain together. Because assuming you're hitting your land drops, playing two 2 CMC rocks on turns two and three will net you a turn four commander, while playing a single Hedron Archive on turn four will net you a turn five commander. That's why in general slightly weaker but more ramp is better than less ramp which is more powerful. You cna curve that of course, but the majority of your ramp should be cheap to play.

  • The beauty of running more ramp as well means you can get some serious value from cards like Bludgeon Brawl late game to turn all your rocks into Bonesplitter s.

  • The idea of in a relatively low ramp deck going and cutting cheaper cards for more expensive ones seems ridiculous to me. I get that yo uwant to have a way of closing games out, however fattenign up your curve is the exact opposite of what you want to do. This just in general slows your gameplan and more than that can make many hands unplayable. Most curves want to have the vast majority of cards in the 1-3 CMC slot and taper off as they get higher up, regardless of playstyle of the playstyle of the deck (for commander at least). Adding a bunch of high end bombs seems counterintuative. Not only are they harder to cast, they draw more hate and are easier to deal with. The better way of closing out games would be to design the deck so that cards get more powerful as they synergise with other cards in the deck. For example, running a bunch of tokens and then using cards like Mikaeus, the Lunarch , Cathars' Crusade , etc. means that rahter than your opponent beaing able to play any single point removal spell to deal wit hyour threat, all of a sudden you have a bunch of creature that they have to deal with. Higher synergy decks will always be more powerful on average than decks which just run a bunch of curve fattening bombs. this is one of the few things I will agree with DespairFaction on, cards like Archangel of Thune would do well here given the token production that you have. And you don't need lifegain. Angel connects, you gain some life and make all your creatures bigger for next turn. As far as finishers go, this is actually a good ome. Cheap mana cost, flier and adds value to the rest of your board.

I think that Sublime Archangel isn't a bad fit here, she keeps the curve down and can help close out games by leveraging smaller tokens which trade unfavourably.

Anyway, that's my two cents on the matter. Please don't interpret this as a personal attack - I get that deckbuilding is a very personal thing (for the most part) and I don't want this to come across as belittling. I do however know from both a lot of personal experience and a lot of discussion with many players from across the specturm of casual and competitive that there are some concepts expressed which will ultimately hold the deck back. And if you're ok with that then that's entirely cool. But there are some fairly obvious standouts in both card choices and reasoning which I think is worth offering some counterpoints to.

macori on Jori En's Stormy Blend

5 days ago
  1. Because spellslinger decks don't run that many creatures, you're probably going to need a few more board wipes. Perhaps Cyclonic Rift (don't hate me), Evacuation , Descent of the Dragons , Star of Extinction , or Volcanic Vision .
  2. If you're going to run cards like Everflowing Chalice , Hedron Archive , Mind Stone , and Temple of the False God , I would suggest running more X-spells. Cards such as Curse of the Swine , Molten Disaster , Starstorm , Epic Experiment , and Jaya's Immolating Inferno would give you more board wipe options, as well as explosive izzet shinanigans.
  3. Sentinel Tower is really only worth it if you was to storm out.
  4. I wouldn't recommend running Psychosis Crawler unless you want to focus on card draw. Same goes for Windfall . In this deck, Windfall does cause peripheral effect to occur, such as Locus God or Niv-Mizzet triggers. You would need to be playing against a deck with a lot of card draw, otherwise you might only be helping your opponents since you will probably be drawing more than them. I see that you have some cards with triggers bases on card draw, but since they are not your commander, there is no guarantee you will see them during a game.
  5. Overall, it seems like you are a little stuck between wheel, storm, and spellslinging. Personally, I think Jori En is bested suited for spellslinging. Baby's first Izzet deck. I'm so proud of you!

studajew on TCV Teferi

5 days ago

You might want to use Hedron Archive instead of Sisay's Ring

Lanzo493 on

1 week ago

Well, it's commander, so it's slow and you can use lands that enter tapped and are budget friendly. Dismal Backwater , Dimir Aqueduct , Dimir Guildgate , Submerged Boneyard , Jwar Isle Refuge , Frost Marsh and Salt Marsh are budget. Fetid Pools , Underground River , and Sunken Hollow are also good options. Check out http://managathering.com/duallands/Dimir.html for more options.

As for mana rocks. You'll need them. Commander always needs them. I like Worn Powerstone , Thran Dynamo , Hedron Archive , Everflowing Chalice , and Astral Cornucopia . Dimir Signet is really good.

I gotta say that you need a Rise of the Dark Realms . It's a bomb.

Optimator on krenko gobbos

2 weeks ago

I would highly recommend a bit more card-draw and a few untappers. Krenko does amazing with a few untappers.

Magewright's Stone is good. Thousand-Year Elixir is great too. Umbral Mantle is decent. Puppet Strings is good on a budget. Illusionist's Bracers are a good choice too. You don't need to go nuts but having three or so untappers in the 99 will serve you well. If you can tutor up Skirk Prospector, Krenko can go infinite with Thornbite Staff, though it just recently spiked in price.

Good red card draw is rare but every EDH deck needs a little. Reforge the Soul, Faithless Looting, Cathartic Reunion, Outpost Siege, Mind's Eye, Skullclamp, and Wild Guess are good. Staff of Nin is good on a budget too.

You have almost no ramp at all. Goblins are pretty low to the ground but every deck needs a little ramp. Krenko usually has a bulls-eye on his back so you'll want to be able to recast him. Sol Ring, Worn Powerstone, Fire Diamond, Mind Stone, Darksteel Ingot, Coldsteel Heart, Hedron Archive, Ur-Golem's Eye, and Gilded Lotus might be good places to start.

I would highly recommend dropping all the combat tricks. In a multiplayer setting with increased life totals they just don't have the "oomf" that they do in regular 60-card formats.

I would also drop Hedron Blade, Stormrider Rig, Claws of Valakut, Goblin War Paint, and Messenger's Speed. No good in EDH. War Horn is decent for Krenko but there are better cards out there so if things get tight you can drop it easily enough.

jakeelephant006 on Firesong and sunspeaker,The annoying twins

2 weeks ago

This deck could use some more ramp, card draw, and lands. Also you have two cards too many in the list so that's a slight problem too.

Some cards to cut would be Sun Titan, Burning of Xinye, Elspeth, Sun's Champion, Great Furnace (It's strictly worse than a basic Mountain in this build as it dies to artifact removal and you have no synergy with it) and kinda Chance for Glory and Hostility. Sun Titan only returns permanents and most of your deck is instants and sorceries. I really don't think you want to destroy and of your own lands so the Burning is pretty bad. You have enough board wipe effects that also synergize with your commander and you don't have much of a token strategy going on so Elspeth seems pretty out of place. I suppose she's a potential alternate win-con, but most your deck has the ability to win off of any number of top-decks late in the game. I see how Chance for Glory is tempting, but it seems like a really niche card and I think I would rather have card draw in its place. Hostility is the card I'd like to see in action before really making a decision on. I feel like it could often just be a dead card because you'll want to be dishing out lots of damage and gaining lots of life with Firesong and Sunspeaker on the field, but I suppose it's another alternate win-con that synergizes with the deck.

I would think about adding Fateful Showdown and Khorvath's Fury since they draw cards and deal damage. Also, Magus of the Wheel if you can get your hands on one. Really and effect that either deals damage or draws more cards than you discard when you discard. Plus wheel effects are good for disrupting opponent's strategy. Rocks that draw cards like Hedron Archive, Dreamstone Hedron and Commander's Sphere are also good ideas.

I would cut the Vivids in favor of Wind-Scarred Crag and Boros Garrison or any other W/R dual land (Clifftop Retreat, Inspiring Vantage, Sacred Foundry, etc.). Then add at least two more lands.

In sum, get down to 100 cards, add more lands, ramp, and draw spells.

illagong on Liliana, Heretical Healer (Discarding)

3 weeks ago

Vampiric Tutor and Expedition Map are some common tutors. Liliana Vess?

Mind Stone / Hedron Archive / cycling lands give you some flexibility against screw/flood

Blood Speaker is an option if you want an expensive but repeatable demon tutor

Do Dread Return / Ever After serve you better than the various reanimation enchantments? (Animate Dead, Dance of the Dead, Necromancy, Diabolic Servitude)

Grim Affliction is too limited, even with a planeswalker commander

Merciless Executioner is redundant with enough tutors

Vampiric Rites / Mind Slash are both nice if you have a Reassembling Skeleton / gravecrawler, but can be do-nothing if you dont have a supply of tokens

Shriekmaw can be awkward, depending on the decks you're facing

TheWarleadersFury on Aurelia, the Warleader

3 weeks ago

I took your suggestion for Hedron Archive because you are right the deck rarely needs the extra colorless and boros needs all the card draw it can get. I just don't think Kemba, Kha Regent is worth all the extra mana to dump the equipment on her and then move it all to Aurelia when she drops. I'll be honest, Grafted Exoskeleton isn't in here because I'm not a big fan of infect. Also, after a couple of play tests it looks like White Sun's Zenith is worth the extra 2 mana for the extra power toughness, mainly because it shuffles itself back in for the possibility of drawing into it again. Will continue to experiment as WSZ is much better later in the game whereas StW is better in the early and sometimes mid depending on the situation. Thanks for the help and advice!

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