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When Phyrexian Delver enters the battlefield, return target creature card from your graveyard to play. You lose life equal to that card's converted mana cost.
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Phyrexian Delver Discussion
1 week ago
I second the suggestions of Blood Artist and Nim Deathmantle. Deathmantle would let you loop lots of etb creatures, dealing tons of damage off of Gray Merchant of Asphodel or Kokusho, the Evening Star, and Blood Artist just gives a lot of chip damage throughout the game, as well as helping in combo kills.
Having some of your important effects on creatures is really good with Meren to recur them. Viscera Seer and Carrion Feeder are some great cheap sacrifice outlets on a stick, and Phyrexian Delver is a great piece of recursion.
1 month ago
ScrOuch Thanks for leaving some feedback for me!
Good call on the Phyrexian Delver it's been really strong.
Body Snatcher isn't a great flicker target, though if i run more sac outlets it might be better.
Dictate of Erebos isn't quite budget enough for me, I really like that the entire deck is under $50. This way when folks see it play out i can tell them the idea and that the deck could be upgraded as well
Outpost Siege is right on theme though i'm not sure what to cut for it
Blood Artist doesn't trigger on flickers, but it is a good card and in multiplayer games creatures die and i'll get value. I think I want to commit to the theme of flicker over good stuff additions right now though
Goblin Bombardment and Ashnod's Altar are good though i'm not to sure they will be strong enough if i don't add the dictate. Also the commander isn't the focus of the deck so adding things just for him seems loose IMO
LVL_666 Thanks for all your suggestions! Lets dive in,
Rune-Scarred Demon is out of budget range. It's not that I don't have it, I do, I just want to run the entire deck under $50. So that means missing out on Dictate of Erebos and the demon but adding Dreamscape Artist and Sire of Stagnation
Noxious Gearhulk I think i want to add, even with the price tag$. All my creature kill now can't kill black creatures and I kinda want more life gain and this card works on both levels. What's better though, Noxious Gearhulk or Inferno Titan???
Vial Smasher the Fierce dosen't fit the theme and is almost a good stuff addition, so I'll pass for now.
Crater Hellion, Ratchet Bomb and Sever the Bloodline are sweet anti token measures, here is what i was thinking Devastation Tide. It deals with the tokens, enchantments, planswalkers, and other unbeatable positions I could find myself in. What do you think?
quitrage Thanks for the bringing some sweet ideas to the table
Dance of the Dead I want to add, though i'm not sure i can think of the cut for it, any thoughts?
1 month ago
Since you're playing a bunch of overlapping twin pieces and buried alive, why did you exclude Phyrexian Delver?
1 month ago
Welcome to EDH! How's this format treating you so far? How is it in comparison to other formats? And I love that commander too, even the art is beautiful. And besides my suggestions to make the deck stronger, you should look at "https://edhrec.com" to check out all the orzhov commanders and what cards are good for this commander. Check out "http://www.smileylich.com/mtg/magocracy/Magocracy_G1.html" as well for anything you can't find in the gatherer database. And look at "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im1VuV7-qSI", I thought that was a fun theory but that could just be my interest in math.
Anyway, onto my arguments for a better deck. Like Mortify or Hero's Downfall instead of Murder? Or Unmake/ Ruthless Disposal v Eyeblight's Ending/ Bone Splinters? Gotta love that removal. Forsake the Worldly has become a favorite of mine, I was so happy to see that in your deck. There's also some other cards like Utter End, Pontiff of Blight, etc that fits your theme well. I also love non-combat victories, so I would add more cards like Zulaport Cutthroat and Debt to the Deathless.
Now onto the hard decisions. Like High Priest of Penance v Angel of Deliverance. Each has it's own pros and cons, but I thought I should argue for it. I would also replace Unraveling Mummy as it only supports Khenra Eternal and Gravedigger. I'd argue for Gifted Aetherborn or Vampire Nighthawk instead. I like where you were going with Gravedigger though, everyone needs some recursion. I'd argue for Phyrexian Reclamation or Ravos, Soultender to keep with the recursion, or load up some reanimation with Dread Return, Stitch Together, or Phyrexian Delver to keep with the ETB (enter the battlefield) effects. And if you want another general theme for the deck, consider Panharmonicon or Skybind. Lastly, you could include an infinite combo to make it more competitive, like Emeria Shepherd + Kor Cartographer to ramp all your Plains out.
So yah. I still love the deck and upvoted it, I just wanted to argue some cards and be devil's advocate. Also, EDH is my favorite format and I'm always here, so text me if you've any questions or need more help. Hope this helps
2 months ago
Kederekt Leviathan could be considered another win-con with how well it locks up the board. At worst it's a slightly worse Cyclonic Rift with a body and Unearth. At best it's a repeatable 3 mana instant speed boardwipe Kederekt Leviathan + Necromancy .
I've tried Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur. My main problem with it is it would usually punish one or two players to my left, and then die. I tend to prefer symmetrical effects as they make less enemies. Entomb is a recent addition so I may try Jin-Gitaxias again though.
Hermit Druid combo has always been one of my considerations, but it'd require a pretty big (expensive) deck overhaul. I can envision a version of this deck focused on disgusting Protean Hulk and Phyrexian Delver combos, but that's really not this version. I just want to hold 50 cards and feel like a Timmy right now.
Fine_Dough on Meren
2 months ago
Ok! I've got a lot of suggestions, so here goes.Alrighty, I'd recommend:
Razaketh, the Foulblooded (Weenies = Tutors.)
Mikaeus, the Unhallowed (Big combo daddy.)
Triskelion (Also combos with Mikaeus.)
Phyrexian Devourer (See above combo.)
Walking Ballista (The holy grail of combo pieces.)
Bayou (Very expensive, but worth picking up if you feel like affording it.)
Contamination (A mean green stax machine, you can infinite lock them with a token generator like any of the two above.)
Survival of the Fittest (The almighty god of hand sculpting.)
Mana Crypt (Another expensive one. It's very good, but very expensive, so if you don't wind up running it, it's perfectly understandable.)
Mox Diamond (The pricetags on these cards are ridiculous.)
And that is about it. Sorry for nuking you with all of these cards lmao but I would be very happy if I could help you out. And, of course, you don't have to use my suggestions, if you don't feel like it. After all, they're pretty pricey lol.
2 months ago
Sweet budget deck. Seems like a lot of fun!
About Pyromancer's Goggles: This card is really nice if you have many many red cards in deck, however, you only have 9 targets for the goggles of which only 4 to 5 are worth being copied and those cards won't make a huge game difference (except Ultimatum of course)
I'd rather suggest Dictate of Erebos for this deck since it's quite budgety and super effective! Phyrexian Delver or Body Snatcher are also great additions. Just cheat your creatures in instead of casting them. I would also play Outpost Siege or Impact Tremors (maybe also Blood Artist so every flickering is gonna have even more value. Some Sac Outlets like Goblin Bombardment or Ashnod's Altar can also help triggering your commanders ability and have nice synergies with the edict for example. Hope this helps!
2 months ago
Hi. The other day you and I were discussing the merits of running Mogis's Marauder VS Lightning Mauler in a UBGR Protean Hulk/Hermit Druid build, and I wanted to share a situation that popped up in testing that has caused me to lean more towards running the Mauler.
I was in a position where I was able to reanimate Protean Hulk with Apprentice Necromancer, but Walking Ballista was in my hand and I had just drawn Hermit Druid that turn. I had no counter magic in hand, but decided to try for the win anyway since I could try casting Hermit Druid for the win later if it didn't work out. I activated the Necromancer and then cast the Ballista with X = 1. The Ballista was countered, which meant that with Hermit Druid in my hand my two main Hulk lines were out of commission. So what I did instead was fetch out Lightning Mauler and Necrotic Ooze when the Hulk was sacrificed, and bonded the two to give them haste. I had Phantasmagorian in my graveyard and enough cards in hand to discard to its ability, which allowed me to discard the Hermit Druid in my hand, activate its ability with the Ooze, and combo out.
So the Mauler offers Hermit Druid a way to activate the turn it is cast, and it opens up two additional search options for Protean Hulk. If Body Double/Phyrexian Delver is in your hand, you can grab Lightning Mauler+Apprentice Necromancer+Wild Cantor+Viscera Seer -> give the Necromancer haste and activate it off the Cantor to reanimate the Hulk -> then sac the Hulk to the Seer and grab Mikaeus, the Unhallowed and Walking Ballista to win. Or, if Hermit Druid has wound up in the graveyard before being activated due to an Abrupt Decay or something, the Hulk can fetch out the Mauler and Ooze.
Of course, if you are running Mogis's Marauder, then searching the Marauder + Necromancer + Seer can work just as well if you have the mana up to activate the Necromancer. But running Lightning Mauler so that you can also search up Wild Cantor offers a bit more consistency with the line, since it increases the chances that you'll have the mana you need for activation. Wild Cantor is a contestable include though, so I can understand why people wouldn't bother to run it. I guess that I'm just partial to it after running it in Animar for so long.
I don't know if any of this is relevant to any decks that you are currently working on, but I thought you might find it interesting anyway.