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Whenever you gain life, target opponent loses that much life.
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Sanguine Bond Discussion
2 days ago
I don't know too much about vampires for edh, I think the deck looks really solid. A really fun combo is Sanguine Bond + Exquisite Blood it goes infinite and is very easy to set off I notice that you have to tutors in the deck at all really, you have access to black which has the best tutors and you really should take advantage of them
3 days ago
Glad to help, hope the deck turns out the way you want it.
Exquisite Blood+Sanguine Bond does NOT lead to a draw at all because it ends with your opponent going down to 0 life and losing the game, which ends the loop. It only leads to a draw if there is an effect active preventing him from losing the game at 0 life such as if he casts Angel's Grace or has a Phyrexian Unlife in play, which would cause the combo to go on for ever. That's not a very common scenario though and normally the combo will simply loop until he is at 0 life.
Keeper and Mavren looks like great fits if you go with Path of Bravery since they both widen the board.
3 days ago
Thank you for your insights!
Yeah, but I think you are correct though. My previous deck tried to have a little bit of both (control and semi aggro)... I believe it is just better to keep to one of those instead than trying to do something in between which in the end turns out to be nothing.
First of, I need to buy the damn Bloodghast and some 1 drops I think. Vicious Conquistador feels to be fitting in good as a 1 drop. Then I will look in to changing the lands a bit. Exquisite Bond will end in an infinite loop with Sanguine Bond which end the game in a draw according to the rules.
I actually got my hands on Mavren Fein, Dusk Apostle yesterday, so I will try to slot that in as well.
I think I have a fairly good idea of how to achive this deck now! Thanks a lot man :)
4 days ago
First of all don't let me stop you from making the deck YOU want to play, it's perfectly possible that you've found synergies and strategies that I'm missing. :)
You could absolutely make a controlling variant, but in that case it should probably not play Path of bravery since that card scales inpower with the number of creatures on the board, and probably not vampires either. Basically trying to force a naturally aggressive tribe (vampires) and theme (life gain) into a defensive strategy leads to identity crisis and the deck might up being fairly weak in in both areas.
B/W control is definitely a thing though, usually quite plainswalker heavy (liliana, Ob nixilis, Gideon and sometimes Sorin. Ajani belongs in aggro IMO, not control) with a lot of removal and discard spells to to buy time for them to run away with the game. In this case Sanguine Bond would possibly be used as a combo piece with Exquisite Blood, and some board prescence achieved either with tokens (lingering souls) or a few big creatures like Tasigur, the Golden Fang or Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet (Kalitas might be good in a vampire tribal too actually)
If your goal is to be more midrange, in between control and aggro you might want your creatures to be fairly big and rely on control the early turns in order to prepare the field for them. I don't personally think W/B or vampires are suited that well for midrange though, at least it can't compete well with the true midrange BGx decks.
As for the land base. IMO you don't need more than 4-6 dual lands in a two colored deck with 24 lands. Tapped lands are slow and you don't want too many of them so that you end up playing tapped lands both turn 1 and 2 leaving you playing behind your ideal curve. If you want to be aggressive and have consistent turn 1 plays I would go for the 1 Shambling vent as the only tapland and then 4 isolated chapel with 19 basics. If you want to play a little slower with more power and start your curve at 2 mana I'd play 3 Scoured Barrens, 1 Shambling vents, 2 isolated chapel and 18 basics. The right lands for the right deck identity. This assuming more expensive options are taken off the table.
5 days ago
6 days ago
Okay- lets get you set up.
Your commander is cool, and his main thing going for him is providing constant removal. His main downside is his mana cost and the fact that he costs 9 mana the second time you cast him. Personally I would use Vona, Butcher of Magan to have better removal and a lower cost. Don't worry about her life loss- you start at 40 and have the two best colors for lifegain.
You're creatures look really good, but I would use only vampires, (although leave Crypt Ghast in because he's awesome, and only keep Ulamog in there if you have mill in your playgroup). Other than that, throw out the non vamp creatures (should be 2 of them) and add in Sanctum Seeker and Necropolis Regent.
You do have some weaker vampires that could use some tweaking. Dark Impostor and Falkenrath Noble are fun, but require too much effort to really impact the board. Thief of Blood can also mess up your board. I would replace these with Liliana of the Dark Realms, Sorin, Solemn Visitor, and Sorin, Grim Nemesis.
One of the advantages of playing Black White is your access to enchantments. You're missing a few staples, including Exquisite Blood (To go infinite with Sanguine Bond), Phyrexian Arena, and Axis of Mortality goes very very well with Vona. I would get rid of some boardwipes to make room. Can't forget the classic Ghostly Prison as well.
Your removal is powerful, but much too expensive. I would take out Iona's Judgment, Grisly Spectacle, Pillory of the Sleepless and Mindcrank to make room for Path to Exile, Anguished Unmaking, Vindicate and Unmake.
If you find that the loss of life is too much, I would take out Trepanation Blade and Oversold Cemetery and Anowon, the Ruin Sage to fit in Sanguine Sacrament, Debt to the Deathless, and Boon Reflection
For your mana base, watch the video linked and follow his instruction. Tolarian is one of the best mtg sources available. Click here
Hope this helps, good luck!
1 week ago
Blood Baron of Vizkopa seems like it could be upgraded
maybe cut the Defiant Bloodlord the the exquisate blood
I think authority of the consuls will be a good addition once you get it