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Thran Dynamo Discussion
5 hours ago
Suggestions from the thread and myself: Lich, Enduring Ideal, Lich's Mastery (Dominaria), Necropotence, Delaying Shield both for Lich combo and to save you from a mid-combo bolt, Exquisite Blood because you might as well have the combo there, at least of you pull Enduring Ideal.
I don't see any reason why you're running Urborg here. You can't really tutor it, don't have coffers, and its 20 bucks when you're on a budget. True, it does turn your plains into duals, but your devotion isn't enough to make that very relevant. Turn it into a basic swamp and save yourself some money.
6 hours ago
Burgeoning and Exploration (and others like them) are not really that good unlest your deck draws a lot of cards consistently. If you have one them in your opening hand together with a lot of lands, then they are super flashy, but they stop providing value really soon and they don't do anything else on their own. You can make a case for Exploration synergizing with Courser of Kruphix, but I still bet that most of the time they're a dead card.
Allow me to demonstrate. In this example im naming Burgeoning, but the same is true for all the other cards that just give you additional land drops from your hand and do nothing else.
Let's say your opening hand with Burgeoning looks like this.
L, L, L, L, B, X, X. and in the first three draws are X, X, L. (L= Land, B= Burgeoning, X= Some other spell)
This would be a really good opening hand for Burgeoning, maybe optimal.
In the first turn you play Burgeoning and by the second turn you have four lands on the battlefield and four cards in your hand. At this point the Burgeoning will basically stop working. On turn three you'll have five lands and four cards.
If instead of the burgeoning you had something like Llanowar Elves you'd be one mana behind on turn two and three, by turn four you'd have the same amount of mana, but by turn five and later you would have one additional mana from the elves that you wouldn't be getting from Burgeoning.
That is the best case scenario for burgeoning, if you get it mid game is mostly useless, the elves will still give mana and be able to chump block in the mid and late game.
So, does Burgeoning really deserves the spot in the deck so you can be one mana ahead in turn two and three if you happen to get it in your opening hand with the right amount of lands? (comparing to a cost one mana dork) Taking in consideration that two or more players will have to lose 40 lifes for you to win, it doesn't earn the spot. But you can get enough value out of it if your deck is made to draw a lot of cards consistenly all the time or your deck revolves around land mechanics.
At this point, the way I see it, you have three options: Jumping with both feet into the land theme, adding as much card draw as possible or removing them in favor of other ways of mana ramp. You can also do a bit of the three options if you want.
If you really want to go all in with the land theme, you could keep all the "additional land drop cards" (not Burgeoning) and add Oracle of Mul Daya for more land from top of library and Ramunap Excavator to reuse your fetchlands from the graveyard over and over and then your additional land drops would always be spent. If you were to add the Ramunap Excavator then I would also add Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse or other lands that enter untapped and you can sacrifice without paying mana like Ghost Quarter. Everything I said about the Ramunap Excavator is also true for the Crucible of Worlds, which I don't like to recomend because it's way too pricy for me.
Even if you decide to remove the land drop pack, your deck could benefit a lot from more card draw. Commander games most of the times are an endurance race and the guy who ends up running out of cards and is relegated to one draw each turn, is the most likely to lose. Currently you have as reliable card engines Garruk's Packleader, Elemental Bond, Garruk, Primal Hunter and Lifecrafter's Bestiary. I'm not counting Selvala, Heart of the Wilds, Vizier of the Menagerie, Courser of Kruphix, Zendikar Resurgent and Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury because I don't think they are reliable enough or in the case of Zendikar Resurgent it's too late-game, more like a finisher by itself (you kinda enter in god mode) than a mean to get to an end and if you get to put it on the battlefield but your hand is empty, it will be of little help to you. I'm not saying these cards should go out, I like all of them and I run them in several decks, it's just I can't count them as card draw.
I would add about four to chose among these (I find that at eight card draw engines the decks starts drawing cards consistently) Hunter's Insight, Life's Legacy, Greater Good, Momentous Fall, Hunter's Prowess, Soul's Majesty, Rishkar's Expertise, Mouth / Feed, Shamanic Revelation, Regal Force (I'm not really a big fan of this last one but maybe in a mono green works fine).
If you decide to remove some or all of the land drop cards you can add instead Overgrowth, Worn Powerstone or Thran Dynamo as a bit heavy but efficient mana rocks and Birds of Paradise, Wild Growth or Utopia Sprawl as first turn rampers.
Instead of (or maybe together with) Elvish Piper and Quicksilver Amulet you could use Champion of Rhonas (bigger body matters) and Deathrender (it's actually doing something useful while you don't have big creatures in your hand and also, mitigates the damage caused by board wipes).
Sorry for not formulating the proposed the changes as "card-A for card-B" like you wanted, but it's not always that simple. Maybe I see a card more useful than you do (or the other way around) because our respective metas are different.
3 days ago
It depends on how many crads you want to remove. I usually start with the highest costs, big flashy cards are useless if you can't play them. Anyway most of the time they will be stolen, cloned, reanimated or casted for free from your library, or just be killed by some removal or board wipe, it's way better when your oponents spend resources against other players' creatures.
Avenger of Zendikar actually not that good. If left unchecked it can finish the game, but usually by your next turn you'll have a bunch of 2/3 plants which are still not so menacing. In a deck more dedicated to give board wide buffs to your creatures can perform better. Tokens are not elementals either.
Hateflayer I really like this creature a lot, and I want to find a deck where I can abuse it (vehicles maybe?), but just by itself, it's not that good, being an elemental just doesn't justify its inclusion.
Magmatic Force Yes, this creature is insane. You don't need to do anything it just sits there throwing lightning bolts here and there. Every turn that stays alive is producing value. But the cost is super high, so not really sure about remmoving it.
Phytotitan This card actually works with the deck, but I ended cutting it from mmy deck because it really wasn't enough for the cost, it doesn't comes back until you upkeep and comes tapped, so it's not that marvelous. The good part is it comboes perfectly with Incandescent Soulstoke, but it's the only creature that goes well with it. Most of the time you don't want to throw your elementals for one attack and then sacrificing them, do you?
Incandescent Soulstoke for the reason I previously stated. Just the +1/+1 to elementals won make this guy earn its spot.
Smokebraider not a bad card, but you don't have too many elemental spells. Playing green you have available all the mana dorks you can dream of, Whisperer of the Wilds will easily give you two greens to spend on whatever you want. But you should really start by getting a Sol Ring, an absolutely broken card that should had never existed that you can get for an stupily low price. Then, the next mana rocks to include would be Worn Powerstone, Thran Dynamo and also Overgrowth. You are trying to reach a really high costs, so you need cards that give you more than one mana, spending one card on ramping one mana just isn't enough, you need to get to 7.
Soulbright Flamekin Don't let all those red mana symbols fool you. You give it six colorless mana and it gives you eight red mana, so in fact it's just producing a net two mana, but you have to spend six before, bad deal.
Wayfarer's Bauble, Sakura-Tribe Elder and Rampant Growth As I said before, spending one card to get one land ahead just isn't enough. When you are in a rush to get to the fourth mana because that's the cost of your commander and you need it to get the deck rolling then that kind of cards are great, but if you ramp like that you'll run out of cards in hand and you still won't be able to cast Omnath. You need cards that give you more than one mana.
Rite of the Raging Storm the problem with this card is when you cast it what you really need is survival. On top of that, you won't get your token until your next turn.
Second Harvest It's a "win more" card. If you have a couple or more of the Omnath tokens to duplicate I'd say you are on a confortable situation and if the opponents dont do something against it soon they are going to be in a world of pain soon anyway. I rather have a card like Heroic Intervention to keep my position on the board in case of board wipe than trying to push a bit ahead and then risk wasting the card, but that is a personal preference.
In my experiencie, the biggest problem of the deck is that in the early game you are really weak and you run out of cards if you try to rush to seven mana. So you need cheaper creatures, more card draw, board wipes and some way to pillow fort yourself.
Arbor Colossus This guy may be what you need: big, cheap, with reach, and it can even destroy some naughty dragon who dare come too close.
Ohran Viper This creature is really nice, gives you cards (hopefuly it can get you a couple of them) and if it stays back to block works as deterrent.
Chain Reaction this card can be as wild as Blasphemous Act. You won't get a better board wipe for that mana in these colors.
Thaumatic Compass Flip helps you get lands and later becomes protection from attacks, maybe it's worth trying it out here.
I would add one more sacrifice outlet just in case, like Altar of Dementia or Spawning Pit, you don't want your small elemental tokens exiling insted of going to graveyard.
Blade of Selves Is my secret weapon. When you equip Omnath with it and attack, the myriad copies are created at the same time and because of the legendary rule (copies of Omnath are also legendary) they are all put in the graveyard as soon as they are created and you'll get one trigger for each Omnath that was alive times each Omnath that died. After geting your calculator to work out the numbers you will see that it's a whole lotta damage.
6 days ago
multimedia no worries! Thank you so so much for the help!
I checked out your elf deck, awesome coding! And is that Quenya from Lord of the Rings I see? Respect!
I was wondering if you'd be okay if I posted your comments and my following response on my deck page; I like to have everything in one place and the comments don't delete there as they do on the wall. let me know!
Now, to respond to all the suggestions! Again thank you for the advice!
First off I'd like to mention that I'm not a huge fan of most X-spells, and I wanted to stray away from them somewhat because I know that's what many people are going to to with F&S. I understand the value of X-spells with F&S is huge here, but they kinda need a ton of mana pumped into them, and I don't think Boros can consistently do that. In situations where I can't get Neheb, the Eternal to stick they become less effective, even if X = 10 and I gain 100+ life, it doesn't seem worth it to me because now I've just pissed off the other 3-5 players and will probably be crippled by the clapback. Second, I'm trying to focus on Sunforger and my combos a lot more, as I think that is what will make my deck stand out when all is said and done. So Combo/sunforger first, value/x-spells second. I don't want to strip stuff away from my Sunforger for more X-spells because I feel like I'll want Sunforger goodness more. So there's some thoughts that will hopefully explain my choices and why I will or won't take some of your suggestion :)
- Doubling Cube: I think you over value this somewhat. To make it produce 4 or more mana(making it better than just any mana rock), I already need 10 mana out. So that's a while before I feel it really benifits me. I'll test it though!
Earthquake, Rolling Earthquake: I think I covered these well enough. Again I want to emphasize that I just don't want them personally, and I know that X-spells are a great way to go with this commander. Will definitely keep them in the back of my head :)
Breath of Darigaaz, Hour of Devastation, Price of Progress, Acidic Soil: these are all great damage options, and I'll be testing them out along with all the ones I got in there now, like Flame Rift, Flamebreak, Fiery Confluence, etc. Time will tell which ones are the best.
Gamble: I'm gonna be straight up with you, I hate Gamble. I've used it and It's awful.
- Faithless Looting, Tormenting Voice, Wild Guess: All good draw options. I'll consider!
- Survival Cache: I really like this one, but the fact that it can't be Sunforged was holding it back over options like Ritual of Rejuvenation and Reviving Dose. Yeah I see the rebound but that's just my philosophy getting in the way of good cards lol.
Winds of Change: I don't consider this card draw, but rather card selection. I find wheels usually help my opponents more anyway.
Mark of Asylum: Yeah this is a good one that I should find room for.
- Furnace of Rath: Out due to aggro meta :(
Hopefully all that makes some sense.
Again I definitely see the reasoning for all of the suggestions. Just not the direction I want to go :)
- Expedition Map needed to grab Inventors' Fair and Mistveil Plains.
- Book of Rass mid/late game draw that's a good mana sink more Neheb and a huge lifegain payoff. Also part of my beloved janky combo :)
- Basilisk Collar figured I'd be nice to snipe some big creatures, but I suppose if I'm dealing enough damage in the first place that's not needed. Probable cut.
- Swiftfoot Boots I kinda need the protection. there won't be many creatures out wth me wiping the coard so much so my creatures will be big targets.
- Strionic Resonator Can probably be cut, your right.
Painter's Servant I want my janky value! :D
- Thalia's Lancers gets Neheb or Gisela
- Stonehewer Giant gets sunforger, can also be a sweet combat trick with enough mana; two to find sunforger and two more to use sunforger to cast a life saving spell. Still, he costs a lot so maybe he'll be cut.
- Brass Squire probably cut, but is really good with sunforger.
- Imperial Recruiter gets Treasonous Ogre, Weathered Wayfarer and Painter's Servant
- Weathered Wayfarer gets Inventors' Fair and Mistveil Plains. not sure if you've ever played Boros but this kind of stuff is necessary, trust me.
- Fire Servant probable cut. I agree.
Generator Servant But he's so goooood. Turn 4 hasty F&S. Total pet card.
Teferi's Protection - essential part of my sunforger package. Way too good to now use.
- Tithe - can get Mistveil Plains and helps me hit those land drops. This is usually the first Sunforger target just to get the M-Plains.
- Open the Armory gets sunforger. I need all the consistency I can get.
Again thank you so so so much for the advice! Let me know if I can post it on the deck.
I don't want you to think I don't appreciate all the help and suggestions, I really do! It's just that this time around I have a different vision for my deck that a lot of these can't fit into. Thanks again friend!
6 days ago
Hey Suns_Champion, I didn't forget about you, you asked for my help :) Playtesting outside of TappedOut and writing about the new Dominaria spoilers at Radiant Elves has taken up the majority of my time for Magic.
Your Super Smash Boros | Firesong & Sunspeaker EDH deck looks great, lots of good cards and interactions. Aetherflux Reservoir is a nice secondary strategy that doesn't completely need Firesong to be a win condition, but becomes much better with Firesong.
Some suggestions to consider:
- Doubling Cube: double all red, white and colorless mana in your mana pool, great with X damage burn spells.
- Thran Dynamo: combines very well with Cube, an excellent source of colorless mana the turn it ETB.
- Earthquake: win condition, X damage to all creatures and players
- Rolling Earthquake: win condition, X damage to all creatures and players, From the Vault: Annihilation version
- Breath of Darigaaz: 4 damage to all creatures and players for four mana kicked, doesn't kill 6 toughness Firesong
- Hour of Devastation: 5 damage to all creatures and Planeswalkers, doesn't kill 6 toughness Firesong
- Price of Progress: lots of damage to each player for two mana
- Acidic Soil: lots of damage to each player for three mana
- Gamble: unconditional tutor
- Faithless Looting: early game draw
- Tormenting Voice: early game draw
- Wild Guess: early game draw
- Survival Cache: draw that's good with all the life gain from Firesong
- Winds of Change: can draw a lot of cards for only one mana
- Reiterate: crazy spell with Cube and other ramp because of buyback, double an X damage burn spell
- Mark of Asylum: protect your creatures from your own burn spells especially Firesong
- Furnace of Rath: double the damage by burn spells, makes X damage to each creature and each player burn spells ridiculous, major life gain
Doubling Cube can double all white, red and colorless mana to cast huge X damage spells which can be amazing with Firesong. Cube is the card that can give you the ability to cast Firesong or Reservoir and other burn spells all in the same turn. In fact with Cube, Firesong and Earthquake you can go off doing a ton of damage to all players and gaining a lot of life the turn you play Firesong.
I suggest adding more X damage to all creatures and all players burn spells. I think the power you're looking for with Firesong is in these spells because they can massively hurt all your opponents and not you because of lifelink. These Earthquakes don't target which is huge for the mana cost because you're damaging all creature and players at the same time not just one. Comet Storm is one of these, but it's one of the higher mana cost options. I suggest adding more because these spells give you the most bang for the mana.
Reiterate and Cube is a great combination because you will have mana to buyback Reiterate which is really good with large burn spells and a main strategy of wanting to cast instants and sorceries.
Gamble is an amazing tutor in Commander because the graveyard is very much a resource in this format. I suggest adding more cheap draw.
Mark of Asylum is busted with Firesong you can be less afraid to cast any burn spell that damages all creatures because the spell will not do damage to Firesong, but it will do damage to every other creature you don't control gaining you a ton of life.
Cards to consider cutting:
- Expedition Map
- Book of Rass
- Basilisk Collar
- Swiftfoot Boots
- Strionic Resonator
- Hedron's Archive
- Painter's Servant
- Thalia's Lancers
- Stonehewer Giant
- Brass Squire
- Imperial Recruiter
- Weathered Wayfarer
- Fire Servant
- Generator Servant
- Teferi's Protection
- Open the Armory
I'm suggesting to add quite a few more burn spells that can damage all creatures therefore it makes sense to cut a large amount of creatures because they will consistently die to these spells. I think these burn spells are much more powerful with Firesong than these creatures are.
Good luck with your deck.
6 days ago
Fun list. I don't think you need Manalith and Star Compass, since you only have one color. I'd suggest replacing them with Sol Ring and Pearl Medallion(both budget friendly). More expensive options could be Thran Dynamo and Urza's Incubator.
Worldslayer is a very good card for when you have your commander out, since your entire board is indestructible. The advantage of having Avacyn, Angel of Hope is that your board stays alive when mass destruction/removal is used. You can abuse this: Wrath of God, Day of Judgment, Rout, Tragic Arrogance, Fumigate. I'd say you could put 6 of these kinds of spells in your deck.
You have a lot of angels, so you could also add Coat of Arms and Vanquisher's Banner or replace one of your lands with Path of Ancestry , naming angels. Speaking of lands, there are some utility lands you could put in, like Rogue's Passage and Mystifying Maze. There's a good land for ramp but it's a little pricier: Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx.
I hope these suggestions will help you, some are budget friendly, some a little less. Have fun.
6 days ago
Apologies for the delay, I had to write this twice.One time mana sources make a lot of sense since you do need 11 mana to play your commander and equip all in the same turn.Basalt Monolith, Grim Monolith, Lion's Eye Diamond, Mana Vault, Pyretic Ritual, Desperate Ritual, Seething Song, Lotus Bloom, Lotus Petal, Treasonous Ogre, Vessel of Volatility, Simian Spirit Guide
EquipmentHammer of Nazahn, Helm of the Host, Lightning Greaves all good but how do you feel about Sword of Feast and Famine + Aggravated Assault backup strategy? Sword of the Animist is a good equipment for this strategy as well but depending on the table may not be fast enough.
Love the counter package, no Dualcaster Mage?Fork, Burnout, Pyroblast, Red Elemental Blast, Reverberate, Ricochet Trap, Glorious End, and of course Possibility Storm. Not a big fan of Veilstone Amulet in cedh but the makeup of your local meta will make or break this card. Active Volcano is probably too much.
Maybe too many colorless lands? I think you could cut one land overall but I understand you want to hit each land drop. Ancient Tomb, Buried Ruin, Cavern of Souls, City of Traitors, Command Beacon, Crystal Vein, Dwarven Ruins, Gemstone Caverns, 25xMountain, Sandstone Needle, Scorched Ruins, Sequestered Stash
Kuldotha Forgemaster is a good way to tutor the equipment into play.
Sphere of Resistance is a fantastic protection card but can make it easier for others to combo if you leave it out.
2 weeks ago
Your deck looks fun so out interest, I play-tested it 5 times to see what would happen. During each of these tests, I could not do anything meaningful until turn three or four. This is probably due to the fact that the average CMC of your deck is rather high. I'd therefore consider adding some more ramp OR ways to make your spells cheaper. Cards that come to mind are Crypt Ghast, Fellwar Stone, Jet Medallion, Ruby Medallion, Talisman of Indulgence, Thran Dynamo, Chromatic Lantern, Commander's Sphere and Dark Ritual.
In terms of Control, I'd probably add a wipe (sorcery) or two like Blasphemous Act, Chain Reaction, Killing Wave or Toxic Deluge. Some other nice pain-cards could be Citadel of Pain, Harsh Mentor, Repercussion and Viashino Heretic.
To make room for all of this, I would really consider removing some of the really expensive-to-cast creatures you have in this deck like Magmatic Force.
Hope this helps. Happy brewing! And if you have time to give some feedback on one of my decks, please do!