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Sacrifice a creature: Gain one mana of any colour.
Phyrexian Altar Discussion
1 day ago
the_odysseus thanks for the suggestions! I won't disagree with you on most of these (especially Phyrexian Altar , which I totally need to add), except to say that I don't really claim to be THE ideal way to build Teshar, or indeed a final product. It's very much a work in progress as I try to fine-tune the gears that make it work, as it were, which is fun for me. Martyr's Bond I could see being good in a less combo-focused, more value-oriented build of Teshar that tries to play the long game, but in my version I'm more interested in just stalling and discouraging people from hurting me than actively going after them like that. As far as I can tell Sigarda's Aid would only help me combo at instant speed with Bone Saw because you can't use the others' sac triggers at instant speed anyway, right? I've considered Shimmer Myr though. And I don't have that many of them anyway. I'm not a huge fan of non-repeatable one-shots like Silence , and initially had Grand Abolisher in the deck until I realized that most of the time I drew it, it was a dead card that I never felt I needed to protect my combos. The point of the combos and the deck is that it's so redundant that you can always recur things that get blown up or just restart the machine with a different gear.
I know it seems like sacrilege to skip Enlightened Tutor , but that's a recent subtraction actually. I realized that I only had one enchantment in my deck to search and only ended up getting artifacts that I probably could have gotten anyway through comparable draws, so I decided to cut it in favor of additional sac outlets and see how things worked out. If I decide I want it again, I'll add it back in. And like I said before, non-repeatable one-shots are something I try to avoid in this deck, so Stoneforge Mystic seems to trump Steelshaper's Gift for now.
Aven Mindcensor and Ghostly Prison are indeed good, but neither does much to help my combos and as I said with Martyr's Bond , I think they have a place in a more value-focused, less combo-oriented version of Teshar. I also didn't feel the Soul Sisters were needed if I had Aetherflux Reservoir because it's even a bit more versatile while accomplishing the same thing and being a win-con.
I personally feel Winter Orb is a little too unfun, even for me, but I'll admit it probably would be a good choice--although it makes me uncomfortable that it slows me down too. Lastly, Academy Rector is a card I've always felt was more like a one-shot than repeatable value, and plus you can't bring him back with Teshar anyway, thus his exclusion.
In summary, I don't think you're wrong about any of these suggestions--I'm just not sure some of them fit well in this sort of deck, necessarily. But I could be wrong, and I should probably try them out! Like I said, work in progress here. Hope I made some kind of sense. Thanks!
2 days ago
Martyr's Bond ? Sigarda's Aid seems good, allowing you to combo at instant speed. Grand Abolisher and Silence help protect you while comboing off, and Soul Warden or Soul's Attendant gains you infinite life with infinite etb's. Some stax pieces like Winter Orb might help slow down the game while you wait to combo off, and Aven Mindcensor is quite good. Academy Rector might be outside of your budget, but it can get you your sacrifice outlet enchantments. Ghostly Prison is good. Lastly, Phyrexian Altar is relatively cheap now.
4 days ago
SynergyBuild Hi! Thoughts on what I want to do with the deck!
Power level: I'd like it about where it's at.. 7 power level, able to win turns 6, 7, 8, but also able to out-value other decks in longer games where I don't feel like combo-ing. I suspect that I will eventually have to take some tutors or even combos out if it gets too fast or consistent and starts undermining the fun-oriented gameplay of my playgroup. I want to keep the "restrained" part of the combo deck, I.E. no/very few combo finishers. Just infinite tokens to give the table time to respond.
Budget: Also around where it's at... $300. No cards over $25 unless they're on Enlightened Tutor or Phyrexian Altar levels of importance. Cards over $10 better have a good reason to be here. I own a small portion of the cards already.
Meta: Pretty casual, not a lot of interaction, boardwipes, or counter magic. We like to each do our own powerful things which makes for grindy games at times. We tend to stray away from combo with a few exceptions, so this deck is trying to be able to grind with the rest, but also combo off when the game drags on for too long.
Things I won't cut and for sure want to keep: Elenda as the commander, Haakon, Stromgald Scourge and his package(but not necessarily all of it), any of the combo pieces that have additional synergy with the deck I.E. Animation Module with Krav.
Hope some of this helps you and anyone else who comments for suggesting cards and themes for the deck! :)
4 days ago
Guys, I think he wants to sac those creatures to other effects, since he said no self-sacrificing creatures, so Thrulls are just spinning wheels. Unfortunately, the effect OP is looking for is pretty unusual, as evidenced by Su-Chi 's $50 price tag (screw the Reserved List). The best you're going to do outside the original examples is treasure and scion makers like Dire Fleet Hoarder , Gleaming Barrier , Pitiless Plunderer , and Carrier Thrall . That's why most people choose to make tokens and sac them for mana through an intermediary like Ashnod's Altar , Phyrexian Altar , etc. get the mana through death-matters triggers on cards like Black Market and Pitiless Plunderer .
4 days ago
4 days ago
MediSyntax I've been playtesting this many times over and have found there to be some great lines of play (even without including lion's eye diamond) - the deck could even be made to fit a reasonably low budget!
With regard to Carrion Feeder - often I feel like the deck needs another sacrifice outlet & I don't have the tutor capacity to get Phyrexian Altar , play it & win in one turn, but carrion feeder is wonderful - so I may take up that idea of using Phyrexian Ghoul for added consistency.
Furthermore - after a week of testing: Liliana, Untouched By Death does enable some comboing wins with zombies other than Gravecrawler ... but I feel like casting GC from the yard is not actually the issue. I believe that the resilience of Bridge from Below is ok at best - the fact that any other deck running a sacrifice outlet, or even Flash can stop the entire combo by removing it is very risky. Conversely - the ability to do the same by using Diregraf Colossus adds greatly to the consistency & backup plan for the deck (plus - this will 99% of the time enter with +1 to block tymna).
I've found the swings with Mindslicer to be absurd - as the game immediately becomes topdeck for 3+ turns. However at the 4 mana slot - I'd consider running Imperial Seal sooner, or Grim Tutor (as a lot of the time I find that I -NEED- the cards on time).
Lastly, I've been testing out Thornbite Staff as a combo option with Soldevi Adnate / Priest of Forgotten Gods - it's very mana intensive, but with priest & the usual GC & bridge setup it's a win, while also drawing you cards. This is... ok. Not great - but not awful. It's more than likely that I'd cut the Thornbite Staff for another ritual of some form / a tutor / artifact ramp, as the mana in here feels like it could use either a Mox Diamond / a little more.
Further testing to follow - let me know your thoughts.
4 days ago
Full discretion its late at night my eyes are barely open this may need double checked.
6 days ago
I would consider a little more mana generation with things like Ashnod's Altar , Phyrexian Altar , Black Market (these are a little pricier) and Revel in Riches . Especially Revel in Riches seems nice in this deck because you have some Control and it won't be too hard for you to destroy an opponent's creature and thanks to you General you will get 2 Treasures for that. :D
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