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Phyrexian Altar Discussion
14 hours ago
You don't have many other creatures that work with this but I like Training Grounds in my Oona deck. Basically you activate her ability for X=2 it reduces it to 0 and only costs you the colored mana. Its like doubling up all your U/B lands. Ex 5 lands before would Exile 4 cards, now 5 lands exile 10 cards with 5 separate activations. I run mine with Phyrexian Altar so if I make a fairy in the 2 cards I can continue going if I am lucky (not an infinite combo bc my LGS disproves of them).
3 days ago
I see the biggest problem in the mana costs of the locust god. That's 6 mana and it won't stay in play long. Of course, you can play it again for 6 mana but you will have to play this thing and go into any sort of combo in the same turn, which requires even more mana.
You should think about how you can even survive so long and that's the deck then. If this card works at all it's probably in a shell with 20 or more counterspells ranging from 0 to a Maximum of 2 or 3 mana and a shitoad of mana artifacts (maybe with Paradoxical Outcome). I would not rely on the creatures alone though because there are numerous methods to disable these tokens or prevent them from attacking or dealing damage. Something like Impact Tremors or Purphoros, God of the Forge would help.
Phyrexian Altar and Ashnod's Altar would make a three card combo with Skullclamp and the locust god. Tezzeret the Seeker , Trinket Mage, Fabricate, Trophy Mage, Intuition, Long-Term Plans, Transmute Artifact and Academy Ruins are must plays then. You'll need every GOOD tutor and there aren't too many in these colours. Of course my suggestions are not a complete list but you have to keep mana efficiency in mind.
3 days ago
6 days ago
Yeah, its up to you. It's possible to play with all three in the deck without comboing off and since all three are strong without real replacements I would recommend keeping them all. If you are set on replacing one, maybe Ashnod's Altar can become Phyrexian Altar?
1 week ago
I still feel like it's not worth it to build Marchesa as a Twin deck when decks with more colors can play the Twin plan faster and more consistently. The commander really supports an all-in build-around plan. Something like Mindslicer or Apocalypse will usually win you the game as long as you get your value engine online, and cutting slow duds like Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker and Mikaeus, the Unhallowed lets your deck be mostly cantrips and value creatures which can quickly find your 1-card wincons.
Anyway, tappedout pinged me, so i'm back again to plead and beg you to at least play Dark Confidant, Trinket Mage, Phyrexian Altar, Ashnod's Altar, Phyrexian Metamorph, Mindslicer, and Bribery. They're all, in my humble opinion, far too good to pass up on in any Marchesa deck. Trinket Mage getting Mana Crypt or Sol Ring is a thousand times better than a 2 mana rock (that you're playing instead of curving out with creatures) and Mindslicer is a pretty easy way to beat Bojuka Bog and other reactive nonsense, and before I start ranting again, I'll suggest cutting Olivia, Yahenni, Grimgrin, Treasonous Ogre, Blood Artist, Martyr of Frost, and River Kelpie, which I consider your worst 7 non-combo cards, but also consider dropping all the combos and just going with the "I win" spells.
It's also possible that I place too much emphasis on Marchesa in my playstyle, and I've certainly played games where the table made me their enemy and shut down my value engine, so maybe playing a combo backup plan is worth it. It just feels to me like if you're playing creature combo you should be playing some sort of green deck for Birthing Pod or Survival of the Fittest or Food Chain etc etc
1 week ago
Ok...There are typically two ways of making a Marchesa deck. The first way is to put in a lot of creatures that can get +1/+1 counters easily (like Anthroplasm, Aetherborn Marauder, Butcher Ghoul, Carrion Feeder or Unleash/Modular cards). The problem is, these cards hardly do anything other than putting counters on themselves. They're pretty much duds. So to make up for this, people will put in good sac outlets, (Cards like Mind Slash, Phyrexian Altar, Ashnod's Altar, Altar of Dementia, Attrition, etc). This type of deck gets its engine running STRICTLY from it's sac outlets, (NOT FROM ITS CREATURES) and because of this, it is a bit more reliant on it's commander.
The second type of deck is my preferred method of playstyle. Whereby, the deck is not RELYING on its sac outlets, (although it does have a few) but rather on the bounce effects of creatures. (Cards like Mulldrifter and Harvester of Souls). With this type of deck, you're also not fully relying on your commander. Marchesa is just a perk. If you don't have her out, you can still play your creatures and benefit from them.
Also keep in mind, that it isn't too hard getting +1/+1 counters on your creatures just using the dethrone ability itself. I find that most, if not all the time, you will NOT be at the highest life total; especially if you have Necropotence, Ancient Tomb, Unspeakable Symbol, shock lands, fetch lands, and pain lands in the deck.
This is the Marchesa deck that I personally made. You're welcome to look at it for suggestions.
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Some cards that I would highly recommend putting in the deck are:
- Sneak Attack
- Rune-Scarred Demon
- Demonic Tutor
- River Kelpie
- Consecrated Sphinx
- Diabolic Intent
- Harvester of Souls
- Glen Elendra Archmage
- Mind Slash
- Thalakos Deceiver
- Solemn Simulacrum
- Phyrexian Tower
- Cyclonic Rift
- Grimgrin, Corpse-Born
- Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
- Scourge of the Throne
- Unspeakable Symbol
- Grave Betrayal
- Flayer of the Hatebound
NOTE: If you do decide to have this deck be a bit more ETB heavy, Deadeye Navigator and Rite of Replication are good cards to help abuse the ETB triggers.
2 weeks ago
Goblin Warrens not enough goblins
Mana Echoes not enough similar creature types
Ashnod's Altar see no reason to forcibly sac own creatures
Shared Animosity not enough similar creature types to warrant
Foundry of the Consuls too expensive to use ability
Mirrorpool slow and often a dead card
Wooded Foothills off color fetch
Myriad Landscape not needed, color production should be fine, doesn't get you ahead.
Bloodstained Mire off color fetch
Phyrexian Altar see no reason to forcibly sac own creatures
Final Fortune seems bad bro
2 weeks ago
Bulletproofcats Hey I think replacing Strip Mine and Wasteland for 2x Snow-Covered Swamp would be fairly viable to destroy any problematic lands. Seems auto include with Crucible of Worlds. Also I don't have much experience with this deck to understand if this could be a decent addition but Geier Reach Sanitarium can help dump higher mana cost cards into the grave early game if setup with a bad hand. Bojuka Bog is nice utility land but it comes in tapped and isn't a swamp without Urbog in play - does this deck heavily rely on land tempo (tapped/untapped)? Deserted Temple can get you some juicy mana spikes when untapping Cabal Coffers. Buried Ruin could be also another additional tool to get artifacts back and has additional recursion with Crucible of Worlds. What would you think would be the lowest number of Swamps would you go down to if you'd include some of these lands? The colorless mana could definitely impact the game and lead to a tempo loss.
I'm thinking of buying into this list and for multiplayer games I'm thinking of cutting Thoughtseize, as it's a bit too one dimensional (though i'd keep it for 1v1s), for either Massacre Wurm (if there are lots of tokens / weenies), Bitterblossom for synergy with Contamination and also to act as chump blockers (I'm assuming the life hit won't be too impactful as you had phyrexian arena in the previous revisions) and also acts as sac activators for Grave Pact. Hero's Downfall is also a decent replacement as it's nice to get rid of some troublesome planeswalkers. I also have Imperial Seal so I can always just replace it for that and the CMC would be matched so mana curve wouldn't be too heavily impacted. Or maybe add Phyrexian Altar back in. Phyrexian Tower can work nicely with Bitterblossom.
Mimic Vat seems to have crazy value in this deck and could also be used in a niche situation to deny specific recurring enemy creatures. Or stealing enemies Sidisi, Undead Vizier or Solemn Simulacrum and then you can recur 2 per turn - viability.
I'm still thinking of some other cards that I'd like to check on with you - I'm thinking of buying into 99% of this list with some 1/2 card changes so your experience would be wonderful.