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Destroy all creatures, then return a creature card put into a graveyard this way to the battlefield under your control. It's a black Zombie in addition to its other colors and types. Exile Necromantic Selection.
Necromantic Selection Discussion
3 days ago
Hey, good start, but with Liliana as Commander consider expanding on the sacrifice theme? Sacrifice strategies with aristocrats can be good and powerful, but you need to commit to them with many sac outlets to make the payoffs for sacing creatures worth it. Cards such as Liliana herself, Pawn of Ulamog , Sifter of Skulls , Grim Haruspex , etc. are payoffs for sacing creatures, but they're lackluster without sac support.
Cards that are within your deck's budget to consider adding for sacrifice strategy:
- Viscera Seer
- Yahenni, Undying Partisan
- Carrion Feeder
- Ashnod's Altar or Altar of Dementia : Dementia is better than Ashnods for the strategies here because it's a repeatable enabler to get creatures into your graveyard, but it's also more expensive price.
- Blood Artist
Reanimation is a fine secondary strategy to use consider also expanding on it:
- Cryptbreaker : repeatable way to discard cards and get value in return.
- Stinkweed Imp : dredge is a fast and repeatable way to get creatures into your graveyard.
- Golgari Thug
- Putrid Imp
- Liliana, Death's Majesty : enabler to get cards into your graveyard and reanimation.
- Living Death : mass reanimation and mass sacrifice.
- Command the Dreadhorde : mass reanimation using life which you have a lot of in Commander.
Other cards to consider adding:
- Crypt Ghast : mono black staple.
- Necropotence : mono black staple, less good when you have to discard unless you have a tons of cards in hand.
- Mutilate : powerful board wipe when playing lots of Swamps.
- Bubbling Muck
- Sign in Blood
- Gray Merchant of Asphodel : great payoff for playing mono black.
- Bloodgift Demon
- Reliquary Tower
- Hero's Downfall
Cards to consider cutting (no order):
- Raise Dead
- Sword-Point Diplomacy
- Dark Dabbling
- Bone Harvest
- Dead Reckoning
- Death Denied
- Liliana's Spoils
- Swarm of Bloodflies
- Drana, Liberator of Malakir
- Barrier of Bones : can be upgraded.
- Cadaver Imp : can be upgraded.
- Spellbook : can be upgraded.
- Indulgent Tormentor : can be upgraded.
- Mindwrack Demon : can be upgraded.
- Puppeteer Clique : can be upgraded.
- Wailing Ghoul : can be upgraded.
- Ever After : can be upgraded.
- Ulamog's Crusher : eight drop.
- Visara the Dreadful : seven drop.
- Butcher of Malakir : seven drop.
- Necromantic Selection : seven drop redundancy that you don't need.
- Harvester of Souls : six drop redundancy that you don't need.
- Sifter of Skulls : redundancy that you don't need.
1 week ago
Thanks for all the tips, already made a few changes to the deck now that I'm quite happy with. Still considering making more changes. I have now included Mind Stone and Basalt Monolith for more ramp. Also running Frantic Search , Careful Study and Ancient Excavation now.
I also added a few more lands that I can sack to get more value out of Crucible of Worlds , not looking to invest too much money in lands though because of the overall low impact of including those expensive lands ( Cabal Coffers being the only thing I might really want because of its high impact). Three sac lands was really not enough to justify Crucible of Worlds , honestly should've done something about that far sooner.
Going to consider putting Harvester of Souls in the deck, not going to invest in a Damnation however, a bit too expensive for what it does. More likely to run Life's Finale or Necromantic Selection instead if I feel like I need more boardwipes.
Wanted to mention why I run Unstable Obelisk . It's in the deck as a way for me to deal with non-creature permanents, it's more a removal spell that also acts as a mana-rock instead of the other way around. It's also a great bartering tool in my opinion (not to mention Ashes to Ashes is also kinda unattractive since I don't want to exile creatures, I'd rather have them die so I can Eternalize them with The Scarab God ).
I did end up cutting Soul Ransom , but the card was honestly used more to gain card advantage, I was totally fine with people discarding two and letting me draw two (basically Divination and Mind Rot for one card). You can even sack the creature in response to the discard, you still get the cards, but they don't get the creature back. Holding their commander hostage this way is in my opinion pretty good. If you don't draw cards off of it at least you get to have control of the creature, so win-win really (admittedly this card is way worse if they have cards they don't mind discarding in hand, but still, you at least draw two).
What I should've mentioned before is that I'm not too keen on running more tutors. Too many makes the deck too repetitive to play and more importantly, to play against. Friends have already complained about my life-drain combos being a bit much and happening too frequently.
Going infinite is not something I typically look to do either, which is why Gravecrawler is in the maybe section. I know he's incredible, but he kinda feels too easy to exploit, still on the fence about including him.
Overall thank you again for all your ideas, some of the changes you've suggested have helped already and I certainly have plenty of choices to consider now! Feeling a lot more con
2 months ago
The answers to your questions vary more based on your deck than they do based on your meta.
If you are playing a control deck, 8ish counterspells is usually sufficient (providing you've got plenty of card draw to make sure they show it). I usually go for some selection of Disdainful Stroke , Arcane Denial , Counterspell , Negate , Essence Scatter , Dissolve , Sinister Sabotage , Swan Song , Commit / Memory and if you can afford them Pact of Negation , Mystic Confluence , Cryptic Command and Mana Drain . Important to remember that Cryptic is not as good in commander as it is in 60-card formats, and Force of Will is mediocre at best. If you are NOT playing control, don't play counters.
Board wipes, if you are playing a heavy creature based aggressive deck, should be zero. If you are playing control, three-four. If you're playing superfriends, 8-9. At least two of Wrath of God , Day of Judgment , Supreme Verdict and Damnation should always be the first ones you put in, followed by Merciless Eviction , Blasphemous Act , and Austere Command then some selection of Cyclonic Rift , Evacuation , AEtherize , Settle the Wreckage , Fumigate , Kaya's Wrath , Chain Reaction , Akroma's Vengeance , Terminus , In Garruk's Wake , Necromantic Selection , All Is Dust and Kindred Dominance . Prioritize your picks to 1) be cheap so you aren't restricted from casting them and 2) be flexible - Merciless Eviction and Austere Command should be high pirority picks, and things that bounce/tuck/sacrifice are good for indestructibility.
As for spot removal... play little to none. Unless your deck focuses on it, it's fairly weak. I'd run things like Hero's Downfall / Vraska's Contempt / Beast Within / Swords to Plowshares / Path to Exile because they are cheap, flexible, and can deal with hard-to-answer permanents, but I wouldn't typically run more than two-three in a deck. The exception, of course, is right here: Shameless self promotion.
Remember that you're playing in multiplayer pods. If you spend one card to answer an opponent's one card, you're down by the two cards your other two opponents didn't have to spend. That makes both spot removal and counterspells much worse than usual. Board wipes are by far preferable to both options.
3 months ago
ColonelCreampuff, thanks for your comments! You are totally right regarding the high cost creatures, as Josu Vess, Lich Knight is also playable for 4 mana (and probably wins the game at 10), and Lim-Dul the Necromancer & Rot Hulk are so powerfull in combination with the Zombie Tribal theme, I decided to keep them. I did replace Overseer of the Damned for Grimgrin, Corpse-Born , thanks for the tip!
Again thanks a lot for the advice! :)
3 months ago
First off, I love both the choice in tribal as well as the commander! As someone who has been running and refining a zombie tribal deck for a couple years now, I can see that you've got some great choices in there. From what I noticed, (on the mainboard, I didnt check too much of the sideboard,) you fell into a bit of a zombie tribal trap. There are a lot of cards that create soooooo many zombies that it feels wrong to not run them. But in my experience, you never really have all the mana to use these big swinging spells effectively. Josu Vess, Lich Knight is a great example of a card that would pretty much close out a game, except she sits in hand and never really gets to the point where you can kick her. There are just a lot of cards that you can't get out cuz dimir just doesn't get the kind of ramp to run them. The cards that i would say fall in this too expensive to be worth it category are Josu Vess, Lich Knight , Lim-Dul the Necromancer , Overseer of the Damned , Rot Hulk is a really good card and might just push that boundary of good enough to be worth the mana, I'd keep it in and see how the deck feels, In Garruk's Wake , Kindred Dominance , Necromantic Selection , and Plague Wind . The last four are tremendous board clears, but are not really worth the mana for it when you could throw in some sacrifice fun stuff to clear out an opponents board, because The Scarab God basically means that no matter the creature, you'll essentially always have two. Again, this is a pretty easy trap to fall into, it just makes the game unfun when you sit on these huge uncastable spells.
Beyond that, there are some card choices that are maybe a bit meh, but frankly it just isn't the end of the world. One suggestion that I feel duty bound to make is Grimgrin, CorpseBorn. With tokens, he is unstoppable, and if you have The Scarab God out, you can bring back anything that you sack to Grimgrin. One last note as well is to be careful with the amount of non-zombie creatures in the deck. It comes back to bite you more often then you'd think. Overall, this is a great deck and there's even some cards in here that I plan on adding to what I thought was an optimized deck! Definitely a +1 and I'm interested to see where your deck goes from here!!!
3 months ago
You have a lot of sorceries. They're not necessarily bad, but they are taking up space where zombies could be. You can get rid of innocent blood (use fleshbag marauder instead), aether snap, twilight's call, life's finale
You don't really need vensor's journal or whispersilk cloak. You don't really have big creatures that do anything on combat damage to a player.
For instants I think tendrils of corruption, grasp of darkness, murder, go for the throat, and doom blade do well in mono black
And you got some jank creatures. What is that vulture? no. No dross hopper, no gangrenous zombies, no zombie brute, gutless ghoul is kind of crap, you have a lot of things with activated abilities and I just don't think you're going to be using them that much.
You also don't have card draw. You have a sign in blood and that's it really. Black has some good pay with life card draw cards.
You have the sanguine bond/exquisite blood combo, but your sanguine bond is completely useless. You don't gain any life except from vensor's journal and you don't have much card draw, so it's not going to do much.
Good zombie cards to add: Fleshbag Marauder (so good with mikaeus) Ghoulcaller Gisa Ghoulraiser Graf Harvest Grave Betrayal Grave Defiler Graveborn Muse Gravecrawler Infernal Caretaker josu vess Liliana's Mastery Lord of the Accursed Maalfeld Twins Necromancer's Stockpile Necromantic Selection Noosegraf Mob Open the Graves Grave Titan Liliana's Reaver Cadaver Imp Corpse Connoisseur Accursed Horde Archdemon of Unx cemetary recruitment Cryptbreaker Diregraf Colossus Doomed Dissenter Empty the Pits (is hilarious) Ever After Overseer of the Damned Plague Belcher Rakshasa Gravecaller Relentless Dead Risen Executioner Rot Hulk Shepherd of Rot Stir the Sands Zombie Infestation
I think I have some of these. You can have them if I do
3 months ago
Demons, Devils, Imps:
4 months ago
Undying doesn't change the first ability of Treacherous Pit-Dweller based on whether or not there's a counter. It just means that if TPD has no +1/+1 counters on it when it dies, it comes back from the graveyard.
As mentioned, if it enters the battlefield from the graveyard at all, an opponent will gain control of it. It doesn't matter how it got to the battlefield from the graveyard. This could be due to its own Undying trigger, or somehow being given Unearth or a similar ability. It could also be due to things like Reanimate , Rise from the Grave , Grave Betrayal , Necromantic Selection , Liliana, Death's Majesty (second ability), and so on. It's worth noting that some of these (Grave Betrayal, Necromantic Selection) could be used by your opponents to steal TPD from your graveyard. If they do, it enters under their control, but then the control-switching effect triggers and they have to hand it off to one of their opponents.
Necromantic Selection occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%