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|Commander 2013 (C13)||Common|
|2011 Core Set (M11)||Common|
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Creature — Vampire Wizard
Sacrifice a creature: Scry 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card on the bottom of your library.)
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Viscera Seer Discussion
10 hours ago
That’s a good point, I will make some adjustments to add Viscera Seer thank you for the advice.
16 hours ago
Sure, those are good, but they only let you sacrifice a creature once, plus you have to use mana for it. Viscera Seer is repeatable and FREE, which means if you get the Nether Traitor loop going you can drain 1 or more for every mana you have, and since you can make a ton with Crypt of Agadeem you'd have the potential to drain your opponent down from 20 in a single turn. Plus you get to scry infinitely to find a removal spell or something if you need it, or if you use Nantuko Husk you can make a huge beater to get in a chunk of damage.
1 day ago
Nether Traitor and the drain effects are a neat combo, but you don't actually have any repeatable sac outlets in your deck, which is what you need to make that combo work. Viscera Seer does that job nicely, and you can also play Nantuko Husk as a backup sac outlet. I'd replace all the Vampire Cutthroats and a couple Thrull Parasite or a Grave Pact and a Dark Prophecy with them. They'll add a lot more explosiveness to your deck for sure.
Btw, your deck fits in an archetype called Aristocrats. It's a hub you can add, and it would sum your deck up a lot more nicely than Aggro/Burn/Combo/Control (not that it really matters) ;)
4 days ago
Hi, SynergyBuild! Thank you for your help in explanation and for detailed description of Razaketh’s role in the deck. It is my fault that I didn’t devote enough time to a detailed description of the combo lines. One day I will find some free time for it.
Hi, mahdik! Let me thank you, for showing interest in the deck and for upvote! Honestly, most of the cards you mentioned were used in the original version of this deck, and I think they would shine in most midrange decks. First, I want to say that for now I'm trying to avoid cards that are useless outside of combos, or too slow for winning the game in the range from turn 3 to 5, as SynergyBuild quite correctly noted, this deck should win during these turns.
Basalt Monolith + Rings of Brighthearth – while Monolith was not bad in tests (but still I think it is slower than most green ramp spells), Rings of Brighthearth was often a dead draw.
Umbral Mantle is even more dead card outside of combo than Rings (Though I love using this card in my more midrange Rhonas deck). And It is usually requiring a numerous creature presence (at least 3 elves with Priest of Titania for example) and preferably with haste.
Doubling Season, Parallel Lives, Primal Vigor, Ashnod's Altar – in original, midrange version of this deck I used Parallel Lives + Ashnod's Altar + Slimefoot, the Stowaway combo to kill the table and I found it very slow. It requires for Parallel Lives + for Altar + for Slimefoot (it is already 10 mana) + it may require you to have additional to create 1 saproling with Slimefoot if you don’t have other creature in the moment you go off. The other two enchantments are even slower.
About sac outlets – as SynergyBuild is already said, most of the time, the only one needed sac outlet in this deck is Razaketh, the Foulblooded, I cut all the others for more consistency, I very rarely wanted to play Ashnod's Altar, much more often I needed a tutor, mana dork, or reanimation spell. We usually race for summoning Razaketh on turn 3 to 4 and then win, so spell with cmc 3 must be very useful for this pupose.
About protection against exile effects you mentioned (Swords for example) – for now for protection I use Contamination, Cabal Therapy, Collective Brutality, and considering adding things like Hope of Ghirapur and Defense Grid. Actually Razaketh can protect itself (for example by tutoring in response things like Culling the Weak, Tragic Slip or reanimation spells). I'am considering right now using Sylvan Safekeeper, he can be used for protection even from the library at instant speed with Chord of Calling, and it can be used by Ooze from GY to protect itself. And I really like Viscera Seer you mentioned, I will try it in tests, thanks!
With Razaketh the way to victory is limited only by our imagination, that’s why it is so interesting to play with it in the deck, here is just an example of one of many lines:
Start – 2 mana dorks and three lands, turn 3 (5 mana, we need only 4 to start)
Sacrifice tapped dork - > tutor for LED, play it
Crack LED in response to Raza’s ability, sacrifice the second tapped dork - > tutor for Life, floating -
Anyway mahdik, I was already looking for additional protection, to add in to the deck without losing the speed and consistency, so thanks! You convinced me of this even more!
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4 days ago
Saffi Eriksdotter goes inf with Sun Titan, Karmic Guide, or Reveillark and a sac outlet. It also works well with your general strategy by allowing you to save your best creatures and reuse the etb on creatures that your opponents try to kill. Or just reuse a creature after sacing it to pod.
Speaking of guide and sun titan, Fiend Hunter not only is a nice bit of removal on a creature (and with a little luck and know how it is permanently exiling) , but it goes inf with guide/titan and a sac outlet.
There is some tech that karador decks commonly use to guide/rev combo more consistently in Boonweaver Giant and Pattern of Rebirth (it can snag entire combo in 1 turn). Now that Protean Hulk is legal, it does the same thing.
Lastly, I think you would be better off in 5 color for 1 drop free sac outlets like Viscera Seer and Carrion Feeder so you can guide/rev combo more reliably. I think Child of Alara would be best if you follow this last bit.
I realize the guide/rev combo is not your deck's focus, but it just fits so well with your kiki pod stuff that I thought more of it's pieces ought be suggested.
5 days ago
Is it me or there's actually no reliable and (more importantly) easy way to go infinite mana? Sure Necrotic Ooze shenanigans, and there's a bunch of crazy mana enabler don't get me wrong, but with all the tutor you have you can easily integrate easy and cheap combo in your deck (Basalt Monolith + Rings of Brighthearth to name a few) as plan B. A cute Swords to Plowshares and you're down for some turns in other cases. You should diversifies your combos.
I suggest Umbral Mantle; on ANY of your heavy mana producer is an infinite combo (works with Priest of Titania, Arbor Elf, or even Necrotic Ooze in some extend). That's mostly if you stay with the enchanted land plan (which I wouldn't do but we're all different player, do what you like).
If money isn't your problem (I don't think it is), you should also consider Doubling Season, or even Parallel Lives, or moreover Primal Vigor if you don't mind helping others. They are just crazy unabler for token decks. Any of these with Ashnod's Altar (I'll talk about that card in a minute) is infinite mana with your commander in play; don't need Necrotic Ooze, don't need Devoted Druid, just an easy infinite combo that wins the game.
But the important part; play some sac outlet. Relaying on others board wipes is just dangerous (relaying on others at all is). I know the deck has A LOT of tutors and way to get your combo out; Protean Hulk and Razaketh, the Foulblooded are crazy tutor target/combo unabler, but a Path to Exile can kill the deck if you can't protect them .Spawning Pit, Viscera Seer, Ashnod's Altar will work (the 2 last ones are my favorite). Protects your saprolings against mass-bounce/exile/flicker which would make them disappear without killing them (Evacuation and Cyclonic Rift will kill your combo). You can also kill your board in response to a Decree of Pain or even a Living Death for max value. I can't say it too much, you NEED sac outlet for your combo, it's necessary.
And just because I love this card: Conspiracy. It changes the creature type of all your board to saproling (in your case); gives a lot of reach to your deck. But it might be underwhelming. Arcane Adaptation is all around way better, but ya know... blue.
There's some card that just wouldn't make the cut if I was you. Dark Confidant, Reassembling Skeleton, Bloodghast and Abrupt Decay are just underwhelming in commander IMO. Cabal Therapy and Collective Brutality (unless you intend to target yourself as a way to discard prematurely for a surprise win) are just REALLY underwhelming. Target discard in commander is no legacy.
All the cards I proposed don't go out there way off of your play style, so I hope you take it greatly :D
5 days ago
combo for you since you already have Karmic Guide and a Viscera Seer add a Reveillark and Venser, Shaper Savant this combo allows you to bounce every spell and permenent your opponents play at instant speed, won't instantly win you the game but may for instant concedes.
1 week ago
As far as decks that benefit from sacrificing your own stuff, there are lots of half decent aristocrats lists. Bloodbriar likely would not make the cut in any of these, but cards like Varolz, the Scar-Striped, Falkenrath Aristocrat, Cartel Aristocrat, Bloodthrone Vampire, Viscera Seer, Teysa, Orzhov Scion, Doomed Traveler, Abzan Ascendancy, Bridge from Below, Kitchen Finks, Blisterpod, Bloodsoaked Champion, Tukatongue Thallid, Bloodghast, Gravecrawler, Voice of Resurgence, Young Wolf, Blood Artist, Zulaport Cutthroat, Tidehollow Sculler, and Rally the Ancestors are all cards I would look at.
EDIT: Scapeshift wins in the aptly named "Scapeshift" or "TitanShift" (which also uses Primeval Titan) decks by ramping to 7 lands and shifting into 6 mountains and a Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle for 18 damage -- usually enough to kill most decks. If they have not yet taken damage for some reason, then going up to 8 lands for 7 mountains and a Valakut will hit for 21.