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Search target player's library for a card and remove that card from the game. Then that player shuffles his or her library.
Gravestorm (When you play this spell, copy it for each permanent put into a graveyard this turn. You may choose new targets for the copies.)
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Bitter Ordeal Discussion
1 week ago
Thank you for such a detailed description as well as the speed of your reply.... There are some things in here I will surely play test with thanks to your suggestions. As far as how opponents are setting up mill so fast is a very interesting and frighteningly consistent design. The key pieces they are using are all about making a ton of mana and throwing it into cards like Mind Grind, and Increasing Confusion while supporting them with other cards like Brain Freeze, Traumatize, Mind Funeral, Mind Sculpt, and a bunch of Tutors and graveyard recursion for these spells. Setup usually has some sort of mana ramp such as Cabal Coffers + Crypt Ghast + Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth or can use some basic mana rocks like Gilded Lotus, Mana Vault, Mana Crypt, Thran Dynamo. By roughly turn 4 or 5 these decks are producing around 8-10 mana....and 10 mana thrown into a Mind Grind is a bad day. Most of the time they don't even worry about getting their commanders out but I have seem use of Dralnu, Lich Lord, and Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker in the most potent versions. These reasons are why I have Bitter Ordeal currently as nothing kills combo faster than removing it's pieces. Once I slow them down its a better fight but still one I haven't been able to win. I really like your idea of Sphere of Resistance and Thorn of Amethyst for this situation. I had thought about the thorn before but when the time came I put in tanglewire instead. Your comments have gave me a lot to think about as well as to playtest with and for that I have to say thank you. I will have to keep you informed on my changes and how well they fare!
1 week ago
Not to worry! There are a lot of ways to speed things up. Looking at your list, here are a few things that I recommend:
This is something I plan to address, but haven't had the time to write up quite yet. Some of the answers you're looking for are in the replies I've made in the comments - I will add a section like this soon enough.
1 week ago
3 weeks ago
Bitter Ordeal has insane potential here
Leyline of the Void and Crypt Incursion make good sideboard cards in case your milling a dredge deck or another graveyard heavy deck that could take advantage, alternatively theres Relic of Progenitus if you want draw
Liliana's Caress and Shrieking Affliction capitalize on discard, and to truly gimp combo you're going to need some form of countermagic as a lot of modern combos are instant speed, so permission is key if you're running dimir, such as Countersquall, Pact of Negation or Cryptic Command
1 month ago
Hmm...ok, so here's an idea: Quest for Pure Flame. Somehow I got this idea that it'd be fun to sacrifice a quest, and use Mana Seism to Bitter Ordeal their entire life total in one shot. I just don't think it'll work like that in practice.
Proclamation of Rebirth for Boggart Forager along with your Psychic Surgery would make it the world's worst Lantern of Insight control. You can even Memory's Journey for 0 cards, just to make them shuffle twice, if you don't like their top card.
Use Muddle the Mixture to find and protect your probes.
Anyway...I'm just brainstorming.
1 month ago
1 month ago
Sorry I had thought I saw you mention a combo between Bitter Ordeal and Traumatize but that was somebody else. There are a lot more combos that intruder alarm works with than just alchemist though, but most of them work much better with at least the elixir. For example it performs very well with Rise of the Dark Realms, Dread Summons, and other such cards that animate lots of minions at once. It also has some nice synergy with King Macar, the Gold-Cursed if you can get some creatures out. I'd also advise against running cards like Increasing Confusion that mill as a single use spell. You can get a lot more use out of creatures that like Hover Barrier that can function as a early blocker and as mill later in the game. They are also a lot more mana efficient with Hover Barrier milling for six the first time with the option to use it again for only 3 mana, compared to the one to one mill to mana use of x cost mill spells and the limitation of only milling once. Another upside of the creature alternative is the synergy with Intruder Alarm. One thing to keep in mind if you do end up running Undead Alchemist is that he will only exile eldrazi titans if they are put into the graveyard on your opponent's turn. Let me know if you end up trying any of these out and how they worked for you, I've been finding them pretty effective in my Phenax deck so I'm curious what other people think.
1 month ago
Hey bigblue32123, yeah I know Bitter Ordeal's gravestorm doesn't trigger off card mill, but it's still a powerful, proactive way to get rid of the old Eldrazi titans before they hit the graveyard and shuffle it back into an enemy's library.
I'm a little gunshy to include Intruder Alarm due to my low creature count. Outside of the 3-card combo you mentioned, it could really hose my own deck. Though Undead Alchemist looks like it could be a nice option to include all on his own...