Split second (As long as this spell is on the stack, players can't play spells or activated abilities that aren't mana abilities.)
Creatures target player controls become 0/2 and lose all abilities until end of turn.
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Sudden Spoiling Discussion
4 days ago
It looks like a solid strategy, but without a way to reliably control the opponent's board state a bit, I can see it being vulnerable as well.
+1 Just because of how old the deck is (veteran player here as well)
4 days ago
Also a couple copies of Sudden Spoiling makes for a great control option (and can turn your weenie clerics in to legitimate threat blockers early-on before your Demons come out).
Plus, having a Split Second option is an extremely solid idea in my opinion just as a combo-breaker.
1 week ago
Thanks again Profet93 for the comments, you make some good points, and even if I don't use every suggested card, it's really good to see what other people are having success with, and shine a light on some unusual cards that might fit this unusual commander!
My budget is usually around $2 a card, unless its a card I can swap between decks. Urborg and Torment of Hailfire came from my past decks, or are on loan.
Slaughter Pact is an interesting one. There is juuuuuust enough good nonblack targets in my meta that having 1 card with that clause isn't too bad, but often I use it on a subpar target, just to get a big Toshiro flashback chain started for 0 mana.
Withering Boon is another interesting option. Personally, i'm not a huge fan of the art (which is often a stupid deal breaker for me), although in this case, it's not the reason I don't run it. In my meta, I'd much rather have a 2cmc removal spell. There aren't too many ETB creatures I need to worry about, and having a card that's a dead draw against an already developed board is a dealbreaker. Along with the fact that it's prettyyyy hard to use effectively with Tooshiro flashing it back. I'd have to; have an instant-speed way to kill a creature, have a target to kill, have a good target to counter, and have the mana to do it all at once... and i'd lose 3 life. I'd rather have a removal spell I can easily flash back in response to deaths in combat, or a Sorcery-speed removal spell. If I was up against some good ETD effects, or creature combos, i'd definitely consider adding it. I do love color-pie breaking cards. I'd run Mana Tithe in any white deck just for the giggles.
Using Dark Betrayal looks very very good!... probably too good for me to get away with without it being obvious i'm targeting my meta specifically...
Sudden Spoiling looks like another great one. I might give it a go one day, but there isn't a whole lot of big combat in my meta that this would interact with well. I might keep it in my "back of my mind while playing" list for a while to see how it might play out if I had it in my hand.
I have gotten hold of a Blast Zone, but haven't drawn it in a game yet. It'll be interesting to see how it goes.
I'm seeing a few interesting cards in the Zendikar Rising spoilers that may fit into the deck, namely Feed the Swarm (targeted Creature/Enchantment removal), Soul Shatter (powerful Edict effect) and Malakir Rebirth (creature protection stapled to a land). I'm also looking at making a new EDH deck (Feldon), which might mean i'd be able to make some more expensive upgrades, using cards that fit well into both decks. I might end up swapping Whispersilk Cloak for Lightning Greaves and maybe adding in a Worn Powerstone to help me ramp into my expensive creatures!
1 week ago
This is especially devious in my opinion, since you have to play Flaying Tendrils first (due to Split Second on Sudden Spoiling)...makes the opponent unlikely to counter Flaying Tendrils if they don't believe it'll kill any or all of their key creatures...and then they obviously can't really counter Split Second unless they've got a deck specifically built with non-spell counterspell effects (not a ton of creature or other permanent activated-abilities on that list anyway)
1 week ago
1 week ago
Thanks for the writeup. Was interested to see the combo potential of Vilis as I just incidentally got a copy of him to throw in one of my decks. I don't have many suggestions fortunately as I am not much of a cEDh player. Maybe Withering Boon or even Deathgrip (Veil of Blossoms? I am sure there are plenty more trouble green cards too).
Sudden Spoiling because sometimes you just need to freeze the stack.
Terrain Generator to dump extra lands to the field.
If you aren't keeping a ton of creatures around then maybe lean in to black's specialty in boardwipes. Toxic Deluge seems like a great choice.
Definitely think the deck could use some more recurssion loops somehow. I don't know of the combos in monoblack but it can't be too hard to break Gray Merchant of Asphodel with something like Necromancy.
Love the list and I will be watching as you tweak it.
2 weeks ago
Given you don't want opposing GY's filled, why not then add Extinction Event, is it because you don't want to lose your creatures in the process or is the CMC too limiting for you?
I saw you have urborg so I wasn't entirely sure what your budget per card is. That being said, nev disk is about $2 according to tappedout, not too bad.
Perhaps not syphon mind, maybe not even mind twist then since you primary opponents are black. But again, why add slaughter pact if that is the case?
You also mention they have artifact/enchantment removal, very fair point. However, they would need to have it then and there, but I get your point. It would be especially bad with an ETB general and you would probably want an instant anyways, just thought it was worth mentioning since it is new black tech.
I also want to hear your opinions on Withering Boon, are you preferring to actually kill their creature rather than counter it? I find it useful against ETB creatures (my meta filled with them).
Lastly to bring another suggestion, given your meta Dark Betrayal might be worth considering. Sudden Spoiling can also be a neat trick, especially during combat and the fact that it has split second so only morph can interact with it.
1 month ago
Sudden Spoiling also looks like it could do some work, both offensively and defensively.