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Look at the top five cards of your library. For each card, put that card into your graveyard unless you pay 2 life. Then put the rest into your hand.
Moonlight Bargain Discussion
6 days ago
--Planeswalker: Nissa, Vital Force
Remove from deck:
Primeval Titan and Sylvan Primordial (both are edh illegal, I'll vote useable, but I'd double check with the group), Assassin's Trophy (nvr help your enemy), Solemn Simulacrum (this card's effects are too slow to be worth 4 mana imo), Moonlight Bargain , Hunting Wilds ,
3 weeks ago
I_TappedWrong, I chose Greed over Arguel's Blood Fast Flip specifically because of the higher per-turn cost of the latter. Sure, it may only be one mana, but that one mana might be the difference between me drawing an extra card that turn or not. Greed does have a higher initial cost, but it seems worth it to cut the per-turn cost down to one.
I'm not seeing the advantages of Moonlight Bargain over Phyrexian Arena . I don't really need to wait for the Phyrexian Arena to become profitable, since it starts netting me an extra card the turn after I play it. Moonlight Bargain is a one-time use card, whereas Phyrexian Arena sticks around until someone decides to deal with it, potentially causing someone to waste some removal. If there was an enchantment that had wording along the lines of Moonlight Bargain I would consider including it in the deck, but I don't think that particular instant is going to find a slot.
As for the talismans, they don't seem as versatile as the signets. I'd be hard-pressed at times to choose between the two options a talisman provides, versus just filtering another color through a signet and getting two colors back. I like the fact that the talismans cost life to activate though, so I may run a few games with the signets swapped for the talismans to see how they perform.
Thanks for the suggestions! I look forward to testing out any edits I make to my deck.
3 weeks ago
Okay, clickbaity title, but yes, I firmly believe that Phryexian Arena, EDH verified staple, is a piece of cardboard worth nearly nothing to most decks that use it, and the sleek Night's Whisper or more versatile Sign in Blood is better in aggressively costed combo lists and storm decks, Read the Bones is better in midrange, and even in control, a larger draw spell that is an instant, think Ad Nauseam is just so much better.
Even aggro decks woul rather a proactive possible threat that pressures life totals over time, like Dark Confidant or Mindblade Render , and the arena isn't powerful enough in nearly any of these decks to warrant the inclusion.
Now onto why these are all so much better, and why poeople like the Arena, but it is still bad. It is that Phyrexian Arena looks like a draw 2 per turn, however it is a possible only draw 1. You draw 2, but 1 you'd already get. It also, if removed on an opponent's turn, doesn't draw you anything, leading to card disadvantage. It takes 1 whole turn cycle just to be a cycler that loses a life and costs 3, and 2 turn cycles (8 turns) before it is as good as Night's Whisper , but costs more, and at turn cycle 3 (12 turns in) it gets the powerful effect of the 3 mana draw 3, lose 3 life, on a 3 turn suspend. Impressively bad for an effect like that. Read the Bones is more splashable, doesn't suspend, looks at possibly more cards, and loses 1 less life. Dark Confidant / Mindblade Render costs less and have a creature attached and do about the same things, with more use in creature-abusing decks, perhaps being sacrificed later to a Attrition for more advantage need be, who knows.
At turn cycle 4 (16 turns in), it gets the 4 mana draw 4 suspend 4, lose 4, which doesn't draw as much as a Moonlight Bargain , you need to be on turn cycle 5 (20 turns in) for that luxury, and with Ad Nauseam , you'd often draw 20 more cards in the single turn. See how that it bad? Especially in a color combination with many better, still generally bad card enginess that do basically the same thing. Dark Tutelage is more splashable, Greed draws more, Necropotence draws more, Mindblade Render is cheaper, more splashable, with more synergies, Dark Confident does basically the same as the Render, etc. etc.
It is often compared to the black Sylvan Library , but that is cheaper and actually draws 2 cards, twice the work of the Arena. It isn't even in the same ball park of card advantage as the library.
This was all off of the top of my head, yet, Phyrexian Arena is considered a staple, almost exclusively played in EDH, and is just not a good card despite that. Theater of Horros, a new red added variant to the Arena, at least when you have infinite mana wins the game, and has synergies with effects like discard.
The only real time I have seen some use to the Arena is in stax decks that use a lot of the other options too. Mono-Black Stax often resorts to a lot of mass discard, think Oppression , Bottomless Pit , Necrogen Mists , etc. to empty everyone's hand turn after turn. Using Arena, Tutelage, Confidant, Render, Necro, and Greed all allow the stax deck to fish through it's deck and break parity on these stax lists, even if it takes 10 turns to make them worth it.
Thoughts? Am I just not seeing it properly, or is it truely bad?
3 weeks ago
any reason why you choose Greed over Arguel's Blood Fast Flip? i know its 2 cmc to activate but its a 2 drop and would help round out your CMC curve sense you have a large number of 4 and 3 drops. i would also consider running Moonlight Bargain over Phyrexian Arena i know it seems crazy but phyrexian arena takes so long to become profitable. i would also consider running Talisman of Dominance and Talisman of Indulgence over the Izzet Signet type cards. Solemn Simulacrum is just so good in this type of deck with a sac outlet.
1 month ago
I too play a The Cranberries with an eyepatch - Gisa/Geralf EDH.
Couple zombies I love are
Gray Merchant of Asphodel - If you play with multiple opponents, its a great way to gain some life and take everyone down
Noosegraf Mob - great for zombie generation, a little pricey mana-wise, but if you are looking for 5 new 2/2 tokens, this works good.
Vengeful Pharaoh - I love this guy, he stops people from attacking you while he is alive, and while he is in your graveyard.
And i Like
Moonlight Bargain - you can filter your zombies straight to the grave and keep anything you like the looks of.
1 month ago
Thank you for the feed back and suggestions !
My Card draw:
Solemn Simulacrum, Sage of Fables, River Kelpie, Midnight Reaper, Disciple of Bolas, Baleful Strix, Skullclamp, Sensei's Divining Top,Rhystic Study, Arguel's Blood Fast Flip, Phyrexian Arena, Moonlight Bargain. A total of 12 draw.
Also let’s not forget my tutors which I include has better card draw ( because you can obtain whatever you need ): Sidisi, Undead Vizier, Razaketh, the Foulblooded,Liliana Vess,Diabolic Intent,Vampiric Tutor,Mystical Tutor,Lim-Dul's Vault,Fabricate. 8 tutors ,let’s also not forget my cheat in play combos; Buried Alive+Victimize,Entomb+Reanimate. In total I have 23 cards in the deck which would allow me to have some kind of card advantage but is it enough?
My Sac outlets:
My Board Wipe:
My Life gain:
Since my commander is Marchesa, the Black Rose my goal is always to be at the lowest but I do have two options of ganning life: Disciple of Bolas,Arguel's Blood Fast Flip (Flipped). But Gray Merchant of Asphodel could be very powerful, any suggestions for a cut for him ?
Corpse Augur relying on opponents graveyard to have creatures doesn’t seem very attractive to me.
Dimir House Guard ( a tutor creature) , but I have plenty of tutors xD.
2 months ago
So to give this more oomph:
Add Oblivion Sower, Bane of Bala Ged,Breaker of Worlds and Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger (depending on how high your cmc is getting) could all be good adds. I also think you want more speed, you have good creature ramp but I would still run Cultivate and honestly maybe even 1-3 signets; Golgari Signet being the most important. The last category of things are draw to graveyard Moonlight Bargain and Grisly Salvage come to mind. I also kind of link Stinkweed Imp it's a cheap recurrable deathtouch blocker with dredge 5 which I think could be great if you get it in your graveyard early. Other general good things Lightning Greaves for Karador and Ravenous Chupacabra
Cards I really think can go Heartless Summoning Lurking Predators Cauldron of Souls Bloodgift demon Qasali Pridemage Deadbridge Chant (I know I recommended this one, but maybe its a little too slow and too big of a target Sun Titan (you don't have a ton of targets for it) Luminate Primordial seems a little underpowered, especially when down to 1 opponent
2 months ago
Have you considered the new Bloodtracker? It will work well with your minor +1/+1 strategy, is a vampire, and also draws cards.
On that note, I think you might want a bit more card draw and ramp. Yes your are aggro, but being able to cast spells and having cards in hand are important. Painful Truths, Twilight Prophet (on theme too!), Moonlight Bargain, Greed, and Read the Bones all would work here.
I always suggest Crackling Doom for Mardu decks. It is such a fun/good card!
Good luck deck building!
Moonlight Bargain occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.01%