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Cabal Ritual Discussion
1 day ago
If you want cheap acceleration you should definitely add Dark Ritual, Cabal Ritual, Seething Song, Mana Vault, Voltaic Key, Coalition Relic, Chrome Mox, Lotus Petal. With a bit more money Grim Monolith, Mana Crypt, Mox Diamond and Mox Opal would definitely speed you up even more. I wouldn't play anything that has cost/mana production rate of more than 2:1, unless there's a very good reason for using such a card (like the colour fixing of chromatic lantern, that's a good one). Try to play as many cards that produce more mana than they cost, otherwise it's not really acceleration.
1 week ago
Your category "ramp" is in fact no acceleration. Apart from sol ring and the signets all other spells start at 3 mana, more of them are even 4 or higher...this does definitely not speed you up. You can cut all the stuff in that category over 3 mana and insert cards that produce more mana than they cost, such as the mana artifacts for 0-1 mana and Dark Ritual, Cabal Ritual, Culling the Weak, Seething Song...use Manamorphose and Chromatic Star/Chromatic Sphere for getting the right colours and drawing extra cards.
2 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
I guess my initial prediction about Ramos was wrong. He has a lot more potential than for which I gave him credit :P
1 month ago
1 month ago
I would not rely so much on permanents in general, not even on Nekusar himself. From my experience I can tell tat you probably have only one chance with him, maybe a second if the game goes very long. This means you should be able to play one wheel followed by another and yet another without having to pass the turn once nekusar hits the board...I'd suggest Dark Ritual, Cabal Ritual, Seething Song, Desperate Ritual, Pyretic Ritual, Chrome Mox, Mox Diamond, Mana Crypt, Lion's Eye Diamond, Mana Vault, Grim Monolith, Mox Opal and even Simian Spirit Guide for that purpose. With every new Hand you draw there should be enough mana sources (not lands though) that you can cast the next draw spell. Waste Not does a great job, but it shouldn't be the only way to generate mana for multiple wheels in one turn.
Maybe you can find some useful ideas in my Nekusar list: Jesus, take the wheel!
I think two or three cards are wrong (meaning not as they are in my real deck, but I can't figure out what is different at the moment) in my list, but it has played very well until now. Having basically no permanents results in an interesting play style and it's hard to disrupt, unless you play against stax with a lot of taxing stuff.
1 month ago
You're pretty far along, so I'll be basing my advice on this: Food Chain Tazri
Plunge into Darkness, Mana Vault, Lotus Petal, Chrome Mox, Sylvan Library, Deathrite Shaman, and Carpet of Flowers are all pretty cheap right now, so you should pick them up before anything else. In the meantime Cabal Ritual and Cull the Weak can provide you with extra mana accel. Orcish Lumberjack and Tinder Wall also work if you have red, and you have enough forests for Arbor Elf to function. Cyclonic Rift and Abrupt Decay are also great (and cheap) board control in this build.
However the best thing you could be doing right now is improving your landbase. The quickest way to see results in a deck is to make sure you never have a land coming in tapped.
Get the cheapest lands first: Tarnished Citadel, Llanowar Wastes, City of Brass, Forbidden Orchard, Mana Confluence, Gemstone Caverns(!), Gemstone Mine, Thran Quarry, Reflecting Pool, Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Then the rest of your shocks, the cheap fetches, etc. Use checklands like Sunpetal Grove instead of ABUR duals, they're typically the best budget option, although more fastlands can be a viable option too. (All the following are trash that you should cut: Bad River, Flood Plain, Grasslands, Sandsteppe Citadel, Seaside Citadel. The tango-lands like Sunken Hollow are alright for now, but you should cut them as you upgrade.)
Remember to cut Amulet of Vigor, since it won't be helping you.
Once you get rid of the taplands you should also take the deck down to 32 lands. You have enough acceleration to afford it and it will improve your speed.
1 month ago
I completely understand its uses. The twisted mess of math behind this deck, however, makes things a little more difficult. I am actually unsure of how to explain this to someone who hasn't done some 500+ test plays wile recording the data so please bear with me.
The idea with a deck like this would be to get it to go off as fast as possible. As in turn 1. Each subsequent turn drastically lowers your chances of this. The faster you can get it going the lower your chances of being disrupted are. This is made ever more imperative with the choice to use Summoner's Pact as by the following turn if you haven't won you have now lost. Thus I chose to leave Summoner's Pact out of my decks Demoralizer and Bookwurm. This, however, is personal preference based off my uncanny ability to have the worst of luck.
So lets look at what you need in your hand.
Best case scenario you end up with Lotus Petal Dark Ritual and another one mana single card. You could, however, have Chrome Mox and also need a card to exile for the imprint. What if you don't have Lotus Petal or Chrome Mox + throw away black card? How about no Dark Ritual? Wild Cantor adds another card to the lineup. While Manamorphose will also do this for you and allow you to draw another card it has its own problems which I will likely cover (if I don't forget).
So we are now up to 4 needed cards in a best case scenario. As stated above and also corroborated in the "Statistics" section of Demoralizer, there is only about a 40% chance of a turn 1 win. Thus you would need to mulligan in order to get the cards you need while sacrificing hand size. This is where I put more of my stock in the gamble. However you lose hand size in the process.
Now add in the chances that you have more than 1 card that can't be in your hand (Angel of Glory's Rise Laboratory Maniac Azami, Lady of Scrolls and also Narcomoeba though it does you no good to discard Narcomoeba). Thus the likelihood of needing to use more than one Cabal Therapy on yourself just decreased drastically.
Yes I understand that you still have the option to use it on your opponent. However the only card that allows you to look at your opponent's hand is Gitaxian Probe, which there are only 4 of in the deck. Without it you are playing yet another game of chance. I also understand that you may know the type of deck your opponent is playing as people tend to stick very much to the meta in Legacy but you are still taking a gamble. What if you choose the wrong one? The likelihood of even getting to a point where you would take that gamble prior to casting by paying the flashback cost is next to none and by the time you would have cast with flashback they likely would have disrupted you already anyway.
Basically, this deck has no solutions for pushing into mid or late game. Remember, on the whole, Legacy is a turn 3 win format. If you can't get it to go off immediately you will lose. Spending 1 needed mana on a gamble that will likely push you into turn 4+ situation is not conducive to the play style of this deck. Personally it is a gamble I wouldn't take.
While Cabal Therapy IS a very important, nay necessary part of this deck, I just can't get behind having more than 2 in the deck. It is better to rely on mulligans to get the hand that you need. Then again you know my feelings on Summoner's Pact.
On a side note. Using Manamorphose can also be a bit of a gamble as you have no way of storing that 2 mana if you don't get the card you need. This can also push you into a turn 4+ situation.