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Land — Mountain Forest
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Sheltered Thicket enters the battlefield tapped.
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Sheltered Thicket Discussion
3 weeks ago
Sheltered Thicket has two types, mountain and forest, so it helps with Kird Ape . Maybe you can focus on your lands to surprise your adversary with Primal Bellow , you may try Ash Barrens or Evolving Wilds . Or, following the shout style: Roar of the Crowd .
In fact this deck can use a lot of cards ideas. So I believe you will maintain it opened for new ideas you may have for quite a while.
1 month ago
Hey, nice job keeping the budget low and interesting version of Xenagos with Planeswalkers.
The majority of my budget cards suggestions to you to consider are lower mana cost cards to help to reduce the avg. CMC of your deck which is high at 4.4 or cards that are the same mana cost, but are upgrades.
Cards to consider adding:
- Command Tower
- Cinder Glade
- Sheltered Thicket
- Elvish Mystic and/or Llanowar Elves : ramp.
- Greater Good : repeatable draw.
- Farseek : dual land ramp.
- Fierce Empath : creature tutor.
- Signal the Clans : creature tutor.
- Garruk, Primal Hunter : repeatable creatures and draw.
- Chaos Warp : instant permanent removal.
- Gruul Signet and/or Talisman of Impulse : ramp.
- Rhythm of the Wild : make your creatures uncounterable and haste enabler.
- Beast Within : instant permanent removal.
- Moldgraf Monstrosity and/or Greenwarden of Murasa : creature reanimation or any card recursion.
These are cards that I think can help your deck since they provide something that's missing here. Early game ramp is good when playing a five drop Commander who you would like to get onto the battlefield quick. There's also many high mana cost creatures here that more early game ramp can help to cast them. Farseek can search for a dual land: Cinder Glade or Sheltered Thicket . Being able to land ramp with a dual land is helpful. Elvish Mystic and Llanowar Elves are one drop mana dorks who are some of green's best cards for Commander.
Creature tutors: Fierce Empath and Signal the Clans are helpful to get a creature into your hand after getting Xenagos onto the battlefield. Either, but especially Empath can get Ghalta, Primal Hunger . Repeatable draw is very good in Commander especially draw that has interaction with your Commander. Greater Good and Garruk, Primal Hunter is powerful repeatable draw when you have a creature with a lot of power which a creature gets from Xenagos's ability. Ghalta for instance can draw 24 cards after doing 24 combat damage. Greater is also good with Moldgraf Monstrosity , a way to kill it which then reanimates two creatures giving you more fuel for both Xenagos and Greater.
Moldgraf and Greenwarden of Murasa are ways to recur or reanimate cards from your graveyard. They are creatures which gives them interaction with Xenagos and Greater. Having recurion/renaimation is helpful in Commander because your creatures are going to die and being able to use a card more than once is good. Chaos Warp and Beast Within are versatile instant removal spells in Commander since they can target any one permanent this includes a problematic opponent land.
Cards to consider cutting:
- Timber Gorge
- Gruul Guildgate
- Shivan Dragon
- Essence of the Wild
- Hoard-Smelter Dragon
- Rumbling Slum
- Zhur-Taa Ancient
- Protean Hulk
- Shamanic Revelation
- Hunting Wilds
- Planewide Celebration
- Blanchwood Armor
- Consign to Dust
Good luck with your deck.
1 month ago
@Ilnez, Depends on what you mean by Taplands. Scattered Groves and Sheltered Thicket are great. Besides the sweet desert flavor, the basic land types allow them to be tutored, and they are the first things I go for if I don't need mana that turn or if they are being tutored into play tapped with something like Farseek. Cycling is swell too, though it got way powered down by my cutting of Crucible/Ramunap. If you're talking about Blossoming Sands , yeah that card is trash. I haven't played with it since putting it in, so we'll see if it drives me crazy having it in there, but the flavor is ON POINT, so I wanted to give it a try.
Knight of the Reliquary is definitely a bit of a relic from the old build. I was hoping to slot it into the new deck See the Durdle of Enormous Girth, but it just doesn't really work in a 5(4)-color build. I'm undecided about what to do, as I love this card. The flavor is fine, but not so specifically good that it's vital to keep in there. Ulvenwald Hydra, on the other hand, is still powerful enough to warrant inclusion in my opinion. I can rush him out early for the ramp or get extra value out of him later with Panharmonicon or Diamond Valley . And yes, getting Cradle is always wonderful!
@FenIsABasicSwamp, I definitely didn't hear the news. Where have you been sent, and by whom? Hope you're enjoying it! I will take a look at the flavor list and rejoice as soon as I finish the Count of Monte Cristo here and dive back into God Emperor!
1 month ago
Alright couple of suggestions, I would cut Timber Gorge , Sheltered Thicket , and Gruul Guildgate for sure and replace all three with Forest . Right now you're at 75%+ Green casting cost skewed and your mana base only leans a combined 54% green. So being Gruul and wanting to smash face, let's get those tapped lands outta the way!
Now the Hideaway lands have always been hit or miss for me, both in terms of what gets tucked under them and if/when they activate. If budget isn't a huge factor I'd suggest a Spire Garden and/or a Taiga now before you have a heart attack just put Taiga on the back burner and watch for Damaged/HP ones to come on market, you can get those for a fraction of the price, it just won't be pretty.
On ward to creatures! Rubblehulk is hilarious for when people block the Xenagos'd creature and take a separate one on the chin, Bloodrush with the hulk and enjoy your opponent's shocked and betrayed face. Further Archetype of Aggression is tailor made for this style of deck.
1 month ago
If you got the Sultai C19 precon then you have Seedborn Muse and it's repeatable untap effect is very good here because it can untap lands on each opponents' turns.
Budget cards ($2 or less each) to consider adding:
- Cinder Glade : Wood Elves , Yavimaya Dryad and Mountain Valley can fetch this land.
- Sheltered Thicket : same as Glade.
- Hanweir Battlements : haste enabler.
- Game Trail
- Naya Panorama
- Temple of Abandon
2 months ago
Some changes have been made to allow room for more basics that have been a long time coming:
Now a few more planned changes in the short term:
Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle or Blood Crypt out: either will swapped for another basic Forest . The reason for the change of heart on Valakut is that this deck is playing so few mountains in the deck that the only reliable way to trigger it is with Prismatic Omen , which requires ones of our precious tutors instead of one of the many, many land-related tutors we have available. In addition once Prismatic Omen hits the graveyard, the only way to retrieve it is with an Eternal Witness . With this in mind I just think that Dread Presence does the job just that much better. Prismatic Omen is still a great card for mana-fixing and acts as a second Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth in a pinch.
Mirage Mirror in: I feel like this is a great card to include as it has fantastic flexibility. Being able to copy an opponents creature, artifact, enchantment or land and shift its type to dodge removal for a fairly low cost provides for interesting interactions and furthermore is another way to copy a Cabal Coffers to ensure that the turn the Torment of Hailfire is a game ender. Still unsure of what to possibly cut to make room for this.
Ayula's Influence : I've seen this an increasing amount in other Windgrace decks and am interested to test it out. While I have the feeling that throwing out lands for the sake of it isn't the best way to play the deck (as there are no infinite loops or combos) being able to generate blockers at instant speed is still a useful for defending Lord Windgrace or for quick ramping with a down-tick from Lord Windgrace . I am even less sure of what to cut for this than Mirage Mirror . This is a very tentative addition, but I am sure it works great as a budget option.
2 months ago
Some hints I can give about your manabase:
Blighted Woodland is also a great land to ramp you when you don't have anything to do in the turn. Sungrass Prairie , Battlefield Forge , Fortified Village , Command Tower and Exotic Orchard can also be all stars here.
I would take out Temple of the False God , Drownyard Temple , Opal Palace , Saltcrusted Steppe and Tranquil Expanse for the lands above. Colorless mana doesn't help casting Mayael the Anima , so you better avoid it.
2 months ago
So the most recent addition of Beseech the Queen has been a great success! Late game this can often be better than a Vampiric Tutor as there's no second step to get it to hand from the top of the library and all the win conditions ( Exsanguinate & Torment of Hailfire ) are CMC 2.
After going over the mana base yet again, I think it's in a bit of a transition phase because we've again reduced the dependence on red (in most cases only needing one available red source for the ability to cast Lord Windgrace , Bedevil or Blasphemous Act ) and the ability to fix mana is very reliable in this build. This has led me to think that there is room to shift over some of the ratios to help improve early game consistency of hitting untapped green mana for ramping, or maybe adding an additional Swamp for an early game tutor effect. The cards which are currently on the chopping block to make way for this are:
- Sheltered Thicket : Long time candidate for cutting.
- Forgotten Cave : Cycling lands only gets you so far in this deck, especially as much as it hurts early mana. In builds which use Tectonic Reformation I completely understand the need, but it's been at the back of my mind for some time.
- Blood Crypt : The main reason I'm hesistant to cut this particular card is that it's a way to fetch black mana off a Wooded Foothills if Overgrown Tomb is no longer available. Since there are no original duals in the deck, this is a serious concern. If any of the battlelands lands from zendikar get reprinted in enemy colours (G/B) that would be up for consideration, but I'm not hopefuly for that happening any time soon (far more likely than splashing out for original duals anyway).
Please feel free to let me know if you have any further thoughts/comments on the mana base as it currently is. All feedback is very much appreciated!
Sheltered Thicket occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.04%
RG (Gruul): 1.57%
BRG (Jund): 1.0%