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Sheltered Thicket occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.04%
RG (Gruul): 1.57%
BRG (Jund): 1.0%
Sheltered Thicket Discussion
3 days ago
Alright, so right off the bat it's a pretty strong deck with lots of synergy but is lacking big payoffs or interaction which means you'll struggle to do much against combos. As a creature-based deck you're also naturally weak to board wipes and removal.
We can start by improving the mana base: 24 is probably the right number considering the Reefs, and looking at the stats it looks like what you want early are Forests and Mountains. I'd definitely recommend Cinder Glade/Sheltered Thicket due to their having the basic subtypes, so can be utilised alongside both the reveal (Game Trail)) and check (Rootbound Crag/Hinterland Harbor) lands. Unclaimed Territory gives you all three colours but will get slightly worse if you start including more non-creature spells, while Lumbering Falls seems pretty good for you what with being an Elemental and all. Finally there are the shock lands and a strict upgrade to Evolving Wilds in Fabled Passage but they cost money. Ps you want to put "ZEN" in the square brackets after the lands of you want them show up as those lovely original Zendikar ones.
Ok, with that out of the way, we can take a look at the creatures. I maintain that a single Omnath, Locus of Rage is the best top end you can have here, as he'll do silly things with all your lands entering and if anyone tried to wrath your board they'll probably just end up killing themselves! Also two copies of his latest incarnation (Omnath, Locus of the Roil) again gives you some damage to ping around and some card draw. Undergrowth Champion is a beast, and the Cavalier cycle might be worth looking into as well. I think you can easily afford to cut some creatures in order to get other spells in - maybe down to 28? Stuff I'm thinking of would be Temur Battle Rage, Growth Spiral, Neoform, Hadana's Climb Flip, and Retreat to Kazandu.
Finally there's your sideboard, if you want to get into that for the paper version. Here you'd probably want to consider Plasm Capture, Broken Bond, Cindervines, Shapers' Sanctuary, Rhythm of the Wild, 2 Pithing Needles or Sorcerous Spyglasss and maybe a single Chandra, Awakened Inferno.
4 weeks ago
Hey, what's the max budget you have to make upgrades?
It can be a long process to upgrade an entire precon. What the precon really lacks is ramp, tutors and cards for better interaction with Ghired. The manabase in the precon can be upgraded with better dual lands, but casually is actually fine the way it is. Draw sources is one thing that the precon has a lot of which is surprising.
This is a summary list of some budget cards ($5 or less each, most are less than $1) that I think would help your deck:
- Ramp: Avacyn's Pilgrim, Wild Growth and Elvish Mystic
- Ramp: Selesnya Signet, Gruul Signet and Boros Signet
- Tutors: Eladamri's Call, Idyllic Tutor, Fierce Empath and Sylvan Scrying
- Extra Combats: Aggravated Assault with Savage Ventmaw
- Haste: Hammer of Purphoros, Ogre Battledriver and Lightning Mauler
- Protection: Mother of Runes, Eldrazi Displacer and Boros Charm
- Utility: Temur Sabertooth, Eternal Witness, Reclamation Sage and Regal Force
- Removal: Swords to Plowshares, Cleansing Nova and Heliod's Intervention
- Land: Canopy Vista and/or Scattered Groves that way Farseek can search for a dual land that can make white mana.
- Land: Battlefield Forge, Sunpetal Grove, Rootbound Crag and Sheltered Thicket
The avg. CMC (converted mana cost) of the precon is high at 3.9. This 3.9 number means that consistently you're not able to cast a spell until you have four mana sources and/or four lands which is slow. Consider reducing this number? Getting it down to 3.0 and then even lower after that. To do this consider cutting many high mana cost cards and replacing them with low mana cost ramp? Reducing the avg. CMC will speed up game play.
The most obvious upgrades to start with are adding more low mana cost ramp and tutors, but other upgrades to consider is how to make Ghired better overall for the deck since he's the Commander General. Casually Ghired is about attacking since he powers your deck's strategy by populating which he does when he attacks. Because attacking is important then consider strategies that can improve combat/attacking? Haste, extra combats and double strike are strong strategies with attacking.
I would make the Rhino the focus of the token population because it's big creature (4/4 trample) and is easily accessible because of Ghired. Because Ghired creates the Rhino token I don't think you need to go over the top with lots of other creatures or cards that create tokens. However, if relying more on Ghired and the Rhino token then consider more repeatable protection for Ghired to keep him alive on the battlefield. Not having to do combat damage with Ghired to populate is nice.
Not having to do combat damage means you can protect Ghired in combat so he survives while still populating a token since he attacked. If you can repeatedly protect Ghired in combat then you can keep safely attacking with him. Ghired needs to attack to populate which means he has to survive combat to be able to attack again. Protection for Ghired in combat is another area for upgrades to consider because you want Ghired to be able to keep attacking.
Extra combats are good with Ghired because he wants to be attacking and extra combats means you get to attack again or multiple times on your turn. Aggravated Assault + Savage Ventmaw is infinite combats which is infinite attacks. As long as Ventmaw can attack it makes six mana. Five of that mana can be used with Assault for an extra combat. At the extra combat Ventmaw will attack again and make six mana; use that mana with Assault and repeat. Without Ventmaw Assault is still a very good card because it can be repeatable for five mana on your turn you get to attack twice which can be a lot of Rhinos.
I offer more advice, more explanations about each of these suggestions, more detailed steps you can take to improve your deck, cards you could cut, etc. Would you like more advice?
Good luck with your deck.
1 month ago
It’s been a while since your last update there’s been some pretty interesting new cards, what do you think? Dryad of the Ilysian Grove , Field of the Dead , Finale of Devastation , Nylea's Intervention , Force of Vigor , Veil of Summer , Sheltered Thicket , Blast Zone ,hour or promise
1 month ago
If you're adding Farseek the advantages of it's ramp is it can search for a dual land that has two different land types.
Consider adding budget Cinder Glade and Sheltered Thicket ? These are Gruul dual lands that Farseek can search for since they're two different land types (Forest and Mountain). Both of them are a Mountain card so Farseek can search for one of them. Currently Farseek can only search for a basic Mountain and not a Forest because Farseek can't search for a Forest.
Wood Elves is like Farseek, but a creature who can search for Glade or Thicket because they're Forest cards. Like Farseek, Wood puts the land onto the battlefield.
1 month ago
Hey, for your first Commander deck well done and nice deck description. You picked an interesting General as your first one to make a deck because not being able to cast noncreature spells can be a real burden in multiplayer Commander. In a Commander deck ideally you want to have a nice mix of noncreature spells and you can't really do that with Nikya.
I see Temur Sabertooth and it's bounce activated ability is great with Nikya's ramp. Sabertooth lets you play some noncreature spells because you can use the mana generated by Nikya to bounce Nikya with Sabertooth and then use the rest of the mana to cast a noncreature spell. This trick is very good with Primal Surge since there's all permanents here, creatures, meaning you dump all the creatures and lands from your library onto the battlefield on your turn. Genesis Wave is another powerful spell with the Sabertooth Nikya trick and it too depending on how much mana you have can dump all your permanents onto the battlefield.
Enchantments, artifacts and Planeswalkers are also permanent cards which have interaction with Surge and Wave. Fires of Yavimaya , Hammer of Purphoros gives all your creatures haste which can be a win condition when you dump it and all your creatures onto the battlefield.
With big creatures and ramp Fierce Empath is a good creature tutor especially with Sabertooth since it can bounce Empath for you to cast again. Genesis Hydra is another creature to take advantage of ramp as well as Sabertooth and it can put a nonland noncreature permanent you reveal onto the battlefield which is a way to get around Nikya's restriction since you're not casting that permanent.
As you play more Commander and make more decks you will find that good lands and manabases are consistently the most expensive cards of a deck. There are however some good budget lands in Commander. Command Tower is the staple land for multicolored decks in Commander. Cinder Glade , Rootbound Crag , Game Trail , Sheltered Thicket and Temple of Abandon are all good Gruul lands.
I offer more advice. Good luck with your deck.
2 months ago
If you wanna go all-in on the spell copying i have a few things. You need cost reduction, in addition to Electromancer you have Baral, Chief of Cumpleaños , Arcane Melee , Mizzix of the Izmagnus , and Curious Homunculus Flip for creatures. There're also the Medallion artifacts( Sapphire , Emerald , and Ruby ) and Jace's Sanctum is an enchantment that also has you scry 1 each time you cast an instant or sorcery. You can also look at As Foretold , Throes of Chaos , and Maelstrom Wanderer as ways to get "free" spells so you can use the mana that the spells cost to instead copy them. You're also going to want more mana acceleration so you can cast multiple spells or utilize multiple copy effects the best dorks are Rattleclaw Mystic , BoP , and Sylvan Caryatid and for 2CMC rocks you have the Signets( Izzet , Simic , and Gruul ) and the Talismans ( Creativity , Curiosity , and Impulse ). If you don't want to rely on artifacts for ramp since they don't synergize with Riku Kodama's Reach and Cultivate are pretty much auto-includes for G ramp spells, and Nature's Lore , Farseek , and Skyshroud Claim to get non-basic Forests into play faster, this does mean you'll need more non-basic Forests so you should get Breeding Pool , Stomping Ground , and Sheltered Thicket . Once you have costs down you can focus on the value you get out of your spells an easy way is looking at Twiddle effects like Rewind , Frantic Search , Snap , and Unwind , similar to Peregrine Drake and Palinchron , they untap their costs worth of lands so when you copy them or reduce their costs they start to generate mana. Now that you've generated a stupid amount of mana you need things to do with it so you have Epic Experiment , Expropriate , Time Stretch , and Rishkar's Expertise for value and you can use Fireball , Fall of the Titans , Finale of Devastation , and Electrodominance to just straight up kill people. Additional ways to copy spells are Dualcaster Mage , Dual Casting , Repeated Reverberation , Bonus Round , and Increasing Vengeance and Echo Mage , and some added value effects you can use are Rashmi, Eternities Crafter and Sunbird's Invocation .
2 months ago
A budget manabase in 5 colours is hard. multimedia's advice above is pretty good. Another option is using the cheaper dual-type lands, like Cinder Glade and Sheltered Thicket , with the Mirage fetchlands ( Bad River , Flood Plain , Grasslands , Mountain Valley and Rocky Tar Pit ).
The problem with using these is they all enter the battlefield tapped most of the time.
3 months ago
Hey, nice budget upgrade of the precon. Good work in progress :)
Birds and Smothering are very good choices for expensive price upgrades. Helm is fine too because you added Aurelia and Godo to give you a combo win. Omnath at $7 is kind of out of place because not playing many ways to take advantage of sacing Elementals. Rampaging does the same thing as Omnath for less than $1 and it has trample. Armada Wurm and/or End-Raze Forerunners each less than a $1 could replace Omnath and have more impact. Hornet Queen at $2 creates some nasty tokens.
Interesting choice for the other expensive price cards: Iroas, Panharmonicon and Splinter. There's nothing wrong with these cards, but I don't think they're upgrades that a budget version of the precon needs. The $20 from these three cards could be better used for land upgrades. $20 can get you the three Check lands, one Shock land as well as some other lands and these will help your deck much more.
In my opinion the upgrades that the precon needs the most are lands, tutors and ramp. I see that you're playing pretty much the stock manabase from the precon, but there's many good lands in the maybeboard. Are you in the process of getting the lands in the maybeboard? If so my advice is make them priority for upgrades.
Some budget cards to consider adding:
- Battlefield Forge : colorless/colored mana source.
- Scattered Groves : dual land that can make white mana that Farseek can tutor for. Can be temporary until you get Temple Garden and/or Canopy Vista .
- Naya Panorama : colorless/colored mana source.
- Opal Palace : colorless/colored mana source.
- Game Trail
- Fortified Village
- Sheltered Thicket
- Eladamri's Call : one of the best creature tutors in Commander.
- Fierce Empath : creature tutor to blink.
- Open the Armory : tutor for Greaves or Helm. Having another way to tutor for Helm helps consistency of assembling the combo.
- Congregation at Dawn
- Sylvan Scrying : tutor for a colorless land source or Command Tower , etc.
- Orcish Lumberjack : can tap the Forest to make mana before you sac it meaning Lumberjack combined can make four mana which is very good for a one drop. Lumberjack and a white source can get Ghired onto the battlefield fast.
- Avacyn's Pilgrim
- Talisman of Impulse : colorless/colored mana source.
- Talisman of Unity : colorless/colored mana source.
- Talisman of Conviction : colorless/colored mana source.
- Eldrazi Displacer : with colorless mana sources blink for Ghired and other creatures. Can protect Ghired, after he attacks, triggers, blink him out of combat.
- Mirror Entity : busted with Atla Palani, Nest Tender since it can turn all your creatures into Eggs. Can activate it's ability for no mana making all your creatures 0/0s. They all die, each one cheating a creature from your library onto the battlefield. Entity is also a good card with tokens because until end of turn it can pump all your creatures/tokens to huge amounts depending on how much mana you can make.
- Ogre Battledriver : repeatable pump and haste when creating tokens. Can be a win condition with Entity and Alta giving all the creatures/tokens you cheat onto the battlefield haste. Casting Ghired after getting Battledriver onto the battlefield can give an opponent a beating with haste; doing a combined 16 damage with Ghired and two 4/4 Rhinos.
- Armada Wurm : creates a token with trample, good with blink. 10 power of trample for 6 mana.
- Hornet Queen : creates nasty flying tokens, good with blink.
Cards to consider cutting:
- Rugged Highlands
- Blossoming Sands
- Graypelt Refuge
- Kazandu Refuge
- Myriad Landscape
- Sungrass Prairie
- Emmara Tandris
- Doomed Artisan
- Full Flowering
- Ghired's Belligerence
- Slice in Twain
- Aura Mutation
- Growing Ranks
- Flameshadow Conjuring
- Omnath, Locus of Rage
- Splinter Twin
- Iroas, God of Victory
If you like some of these suggestions I offer more advice about these potential additions and the cards I'm suggesting to cut. Good luck with your deck.