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Creature — Human Shaman
At the beginning of your upkeep, if you control six or more lands, create a 5/5 red Dragon creature token with flying onto the battlefield.
Dragonmaster Outcast Discussion
2 weeks ago
Not really sure what I can suggest to make the deck better. You'd ultimately be taking something away, and you've got a solid layout here. +1, sorry I can't help more mate. I could make suggestions such as Dragonmaster Outcast and Caustic Crawler , both of which I run in mine and have great success with, but again I think you're solid as it is.
1 month ago
Well, it's kinda hard to say what to replace without taking into account my own taste. However, if I have to say I would choose to cut Drakuseth, Maw of Flames and one Dragonmaster Outcast with the reasons being:
Drakuseth, Maw of Flames - Too heavy and slow. Does nothing when it enters and is easy to remove.
Dragonmaster Outcast - Not a bad card by any means but since you are playing a monored deck you won't be ramping which means you are gonna have to wait until turn 6 at least to play it.
In both cases, Thunderbreak Regent is way faster and way more punishing to your opponent.
Also, small tip. Scavenger Grounds since red doesn't have that much grave hate and you can put it in the main deck.
1 month ago
I strongly suggest you drop at least one color, add significantly more ramp, 2 more lands, and significantly more disruption. If you want to go for something unique, drop Red and focus on pairing Green with either Black or Blue. If you want something more competitive as well as having the broadest options overall, R/G is the way to go.
About Disruption and Sideboard stuff: Assassin's Trophy is awesome, if you go G/B, you should run a full set for sure, and that in addition to at least 4 other disruption spells. Consider you current sideboard - you've got an arsenal in there, but only 2 non-creature/non-land slots open for swaps, meaning you'll have to drop creatures to sub in cards that probably should have been in the mainboard in the first place. As a general rule of thumb, you want to sideboard in/out disruption for disruption, creature for creature. That's because creatures with niche abilities are usually only good in some match-ups. The same thing is true with disruption - for example, Geth's Verdict is great against Bogle/Aura decks that run only a few, usually hexproof creatures. But in general, something more direct like Doomblade is more useful. So a deck might mainboard Doomblade and swap it out in some matchups.
Other stuff to consider: the more ramp you add, the faster quicker you'll get to top-decking. So draw card or tutoring will be helpful. You've currently got quite a few Legendary creatures, so perhaps Time of Need would be good here. Harmonize is among the best draw-to-CMC deals out there, and with sufficient ramp, will be easily cast-able. A planeswalker like Garruk, Caller of Beasts could be possible, too.
Here's some concrete numbers on what I'm suggesting: 24 Lands (no more than 2 colors), 20 Creatures, 4-8 of which are mana dorks. 4 Removal spells. 4 additional disruption spells (more removal, or protection, or fog, etc). 4-8 additional ramp spells (Search for Tomorrow, Utopia Sprawl, etc) (total of 12 ramp spells). If slots are still open, 4 additional synergy spells - Planeswalkers, draw card, utilities (like Quest for Renewal , Unearth , Mass Hysteria , Impact Tremors , etc.) Target AVG CMC: 3 or less. (3 is quite high!)
Probably the easiest way to move forward here is to pick 1-2 creatures you really want to build around, and start with them. Add ramp and draw/tutor. Then consider all the most likely threats and find spells that disrupt that stuff. You'll have at least 60 cards after adding land.
A note on the "Competitive Meter" - that thing is completely unreliable. It's just looking at how many cards you have that are included in at least one Teir 1 deck. To illustrate this, I created, 100% Competitive, 100% Loser, which includes only lands that produce the wrong color mana so it's impossible to cast anything. Yet the meter says 100%. So you should really just disregard it completely.
1 month ago
You've got wayyyyy too many big cmc creatures. Stuff like Blightsteel Colossus , Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre and Kozilek, Butcher of Truth are fun and all, but how often are you going to find yourself already a bit short on mana with only 30 lands? The general consensus is around 36-39 lands. I would also add some cards like Swords to Plowshares , Dragonmaster Outcast and Doomed Artisan with that little mana. Honestly if you take out the 9-10 highest cmc creatures here and replace them with the 3 I recommended earlier and basics it'll be pretty solid.
1 month ago
hello mr. durtee i just wanted too say hey cool nice deck but your playing too many creatures like what if you get field swiped dude?? haha wouldnt that be crazy any way you should make it a landless stacks control prison combo storm deck with blue i herd those were good okay thanks you john bye
I'm going to try to order these from my most to least recommended.
Mirror March: I get making token copies, even if it's only nontoken creatures. What I can't get behind is costing 6 and STILL HAVING A 50% CHANCE OF DOING NOTHING.
Spirit Bonds: Ignoring the weak payoff of the spirit token (at least by edh standards), paying five mana and sacrificing a specific creature to protect one guy for one turn is pretty lame. You can't even protect your seance tokens because they're spirits.
Mercy Killing: If you choose an opponent's creature, they get the tokens. If you choose your own guys, you're going wide at the cost of two cards.
Eyes of the Wisent:
Emrakul's Evangel: I can't see what he does other than act like a one-time sac outlet that you have to wait for. 3/2 is going to be pretty close to what you're usually sacrificing anyway.
Huatli, Warrior Poet: Her token is cool, but her other abilities are really weak for the cost. Also she got a tiny booty.
Caller of the Claw: He'd be like a backup Fresh Meat if he counted the tokens too. 1 less mana for 1 less p/t would have been alright. Too bad.
Summoner's Pact: Kind of a weak creature tutor since you aren't playing toolbox or gunning for combo. Only green too.
Hornet Nest: Deathtouch flyers are good, but you don't have a way to damage it yourself and you probably have bigger threats than getting hit by birds.
Hoofprints of the Stag: Unless you add a lot more draw, these stags take forever to come out.
Godsire: Nice token, but he's got no haste or protection, which means you have to wait for the token while this dumbass sits there waiting to see if anyone around the table wants to remove him. Could be alright if you cheat him out reliably.
Regisaur Alpha: Neat to make a token copy of, but just under the bar on his own.
This is all in no particular order.
Marisi, Breaker of the Coil : Lessens combat shenanigans and potentially makes it so nobody attacks you ever again. also good with Gahiji.
Ohran Frostfang : Nobody wants to block you and you draw because of it. Even better considering all the trample you have.
Selesnya Eulogist : Might be the cheapest repeatable populate out there.
Dragonmaster Outcast : You wanted flying tokens, here they are. Also it's a cat with tits, classic.
Feldon of the Third Path : It's another Seance, but it doesn't exile and the token gets haste. MY GUY.
Flamerush Rider : Token copy maker.
Thragtusk : Don't say no to Thragdaddy. One of the only cards that can react to Biff.
Voice of Many : This man says draw three and you know it.
Precon Garruks ( Garruk, Primal Hunter ): Garruk.
Assemble the Legion : So I heard you run doubling season. But really, you know what this does to games.
Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker : Splinter Twin backup. Makes infinite tapped kikis with helm, in case you needed that.
Huatli, Radiant Champion : Easy to gun for the emblem, with an alright mid ability
Nacatl War-Pride : Forcing blocks means the rest of your creatures get through, or that you can divvy up the copies to other players. Gets really crazy the next turn when you populate one of the tokens. Absolutely insane if you get an additional combat.
Heroic Intervention : Boring, but necessary
Teferi's Protection : Extra boring, but even more necessary since it's the only answer to biff out there that isn't countering it.
Selfless Spirit : Not as boring since you can make a token copy of it for repeat use.
Baloth Cage Trap : Wow, when does anyone play an artifact in edh?!?! stupid card
Sneak Attack : Cheats creatures out with haste at instant speed for one mana and puts them in the grave to seance afterwards.
Survival of the Fittest : Puts big boys in grave, and any creature you want in hand.
ok thanks for coming to my ted talk bye
2 months ago
Hey @Eldrazi_lord I've got a few suggestions for you, maybe you can do something with them :P.
The first thing I'd address is the fact that I don't think you have enough dragons to work with your commander. I think you'll need to decide between going with a big creature theme or going with a token theme. Your commander is more conducive to the former option, so my suggestions will be geared towards that. Some dragon additions I would consider are:
I know I suggested a ton of high mana cost stuff, so here are some ramp suggestions to get you there -
Next, some removal suggestions:
Lastly, some utility/misc suggestions:
I have tons of other suggestions, so if you'd like to go in this direction hit me up and I'll keep going.
oh, one last last thing, you probably want to add more lands. like, 5-6 more minimum.
2 months ago
Hi, I hope that at least some of what i'm going to put here will be useful, and even if you don't use any of my advice then maybe you will be able to see where I am coming from and use the logic to find your own improvements :)
As the previous commenter has suggested the amount of ramp spells that put lands in to play in your deck is a bit to low for a ramp deck especially one that has subthemes of landfall. Typical commander deck building suggestions say that you should have 10 pieces of ramp to tide you into the midgame. This goes for any deck, not just ramp decks. In ramp decks you will want more. At my count you have 12 ramp cards that are reusable (ie, aren't the one shot sacrifice elemntals) this will want to be more really, with a focus on them being ones that put lands in to play. Another of note, is that cards like Zendikar Resurgent don't really count as a ramp slot, as by the time we can cast it, we have a lot of mana already. 'Ramp' cards are ones that you want to see in your opening hand to get you into your game plan faster.
For this reason I would look into replacing some of the creature based ramp and some other low impact cards with this ramp that will get us executing our main game plan faster and better.
These can all be easily replaced with land based ramp spells as they don't get you any further ahead on mana than 1 land, or are one shot abilities when we want to be dropping big things multiple times over multiple turns.
Smokebraider Is unique because it produces 2 mana for only 2 investment, but only if we focus in on elemtals so can be left on a short list to be evaluated. We'll list other potential cuts later when looking at more over all deck evaluation.
The previous commentor has provided a list which at first glance seems to be comprehensive enough to provide some ideas for what to add.
More conventional commander wisdom suggests that you have at least 5 ways to directly interact with your opponents game plan. I personally nearly always play more than this, but you should have at least 5. This direct interaction is preferred to be the targetted simgle response cards that can remove threats in any shape or form. Of note, this removal count is seperate from the count of mass removal. At my count you have Song of the Dryads , the down tick of Domri, Anarch of Bolas and Ingot Chewer as easily accessable removal. Things like the trigger from your commander or things like Magmatic Force are more incedental as you can't rely on them doing what you want when you need it.
Cards that could be added in this slot are many. But it is a good idea to have as many as you can being generic answers to anything, but also you need to make sure that they are ones you can realistically weave into your game plan instead of leaving up those answers at all times. This is mostly a balncing act that is where fine tuning comes in from playing the deck. But potential recommendations for all purpose would be Beast Within and Chaos Warp . After that they become more specific but can be cheaper in mana,
- Nature's Claim
- Domri's Ambush
- Force of Vigor
- Krosan Grip
- Hull Breach
- Broken Bond
- Reclamation Sage
This may seem counterintuitive, seen as you are planning on being the big creature deck that wants the board presence. But sometimes the opponents boards just need answering (Not to mention that you might end up getting a lot of elemental death triggers from Omnath). As such having 2 or 3 creature wraths might be worth trying. And having 2 or 3 artifact and enchantment wraths will be good to have access to aswell. Something you already have so I assume you already know.
Creature wraths to consider in green red include
- Blasphemous Act
- Chandra's Ignition
- Chain Reaction
- Savage Twister - This one is representative of X cost ones that are interesting to try as it gives you the oppertunity of clearing out small creatures while keeping yours alive if you would prefer. Another one that can also be used to finish of players is Rolling Earthquake
You already have the cards for mass removing artifacts and enchantments so I won't bother listing any more.
One of the most common recommendations I have to make to people about their deck is to up the amount of card draw or selection in their decks. There is no point in having sweet cards and synergies in here if we never get to see them! Normally I recommend having 10 ways of drawing cards in your deck, with some of them being repeating and some being one shot. At my count you currently have 7 (Or 8 if you count Praetor's Counsel which can do effectively a similar job), so you are nearly there but I would recommend adding a couple mr just to smooth out the deck running.
- Harmonize is the most obvious recommendation withit being notorious for its colour pie break with not haveing a restriction based on creatures or similar.
- Horn of Greed is universal, but we should be getting more value from it.
- Greater Good is amazing if you keep having big creatures to sacrifice. Thankfully due to our commander triggers, we do!
- Chandra, Flamecaller can cover multiple bases of what we need, it can be counted as both a wrath AND a card draw engine :) IT also even makes elementals (of note, they get exiled at end step instead of dieing so you won't normally get Omnath triggers. Sacrificing them to Greater Good though....... )
- Rishkar's Expertise can be great card draw as you don't need to take a full turn off to refuel, you still get to cast something that costs less, which could be that removal spell or something you needed!
These overview sections are recommendations for generic cards that could go in. From here on, we will be looking at more specific card options, and possible cuts from the existing deck
Now, again as the previous commentor mentioned, there are multiple ways you can take an Omnath deck. My take on them being
- RG Big thing Ramp. No specific synergies in mind except for incidental ones like, I need land to cast my big spells, and this card cards about land. Not a bad deck by any means, just less commander or theme focused.
- Elemental Tribal Ramp. This seems to be closer to what you are currently going for. Similar to the RG ramp deck, just with tribal synergies from elementals
- Landfall / Lands Matter. Here we are focusing on many landfall triggers, and keep cycling our lands round and round to get them. This deck will likke having access to things like Crucible of Worlds and many effects like Exploration
Here, i will suggest some cards for each of them and maybe later on if you want we could look more into one or a mix of these strategies.
- Ruric Thar, the Unbowed This card is very very powerful. Expecially as the decks around you get more and more powerful and wanting to do more combo and storm bsaed strategies.
- Gruul Ragebeast A good way of keeping the board under control when you play your 'large and incharge' creatures
- Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger We have mana, they don't. Enough said really. Just beware that with this creature, sometines the adage If you can't remove the problem, remove the player can be applied to just killing you.
Other than ones recommended here, perhaps a good idea would be to use Gatherer or mtg.wtf to find elementals in your colour. Or cards which reference elementals in your colours, the example in wtf would be this
- Chandra, Acolyte of Flame can rebuy your ramp spells and can make elementals that will die to trigger Omnath.
- Chandra, Awakened Inferno A wrath that doesn't kill elementals and can provide a reasonable clock on the game with her uptick.
- Omnath, Locus of Mana Store mana for a rainy day. Or for hitting your opponents upside the head with it. Both work.
- Parallel Lives Double the tokens, double the elementals, double the damage. We like.
- Tornado Elemental clears out any things like Dragons, or Flying Slivers or similar. Also good at picking of planeswalkers as it has sudo unblockable.
- Liege of the Tangle we can go REALLY all in on making all our lands elementals and meaning that if someone wraths us we can basically kill everyone from Omnath triggers
- Budoka Gardener Ramp early game, big guys late game.
This deck idea might have elements that are closer to a combo deck than the others, but will still mostly be a midrange deck.
- Perilous Forays With your commander out this card is bonkers. But if we are making other elemental tokens too then we can truly get going somewhere
- Crucible of Worlds , Ramunap Excavator , Life from the Loam Allow you to play the lands from your graveyard after we have sacrificed them for effects. Also makes always hitting your lands drops easier if you are playing and sacrificing a fetch land
- Exploration , Azusa, Lost but Seeking , Oracle of Mul Daya all ways to play more lands per turn
- Cavalier of Flame can be card draw and synergizes with lands in graveyard. As well as being an elemental!
- Scapeshift lots of triggers all at once
- Splendid Reclamation if we are sacrificing lands then this gets them all back. Very good after a scapeshift
- Amulet of Vigor makes some of our ramp a lot more effective, while at the same time providing a good combo with Perilous Forays and Omnath, Locus of Rage Of recommendation if you run a lot of land recursion effects then other lands that sacrifice themselves might be worth it. Like Wasteland Strip Mine etc
I won't re-list the cuts recommeneded in the ramp section. I will be evaluating cuts in the assumption that the deck is wanting to be a combination of an elementals ramp deck and a lands value deck. A lot of these recomendations for cuts will have very similar reasonings, which I will elaborate on first to be able to be brief later on. These recommendations will possibly sound rather brutal, however I find that it makes it a lot easier to have too many cards that are on the cutting block rather than not enough.
- Too Slow. If the card takes too many turns to start pulling its weight then it could be replaced with something that does what we need sooner. This is common in cards which have 'at the beginning of your upkeep' effects as they will normally have to wait an entire turn cycle to start doing something. Enters the battlefield triggers or similar things that have an effect the turn you play them are often preferred.
- Too expensive. This should be self explanatory. If the card costs too much mana, especially if the same effect can be achieved for less mana then it should be exmined.
- Doesn't do enough. While the effect might be interesting and maybe something we actually want in the deck, The card just doesn't pull its weight in whatever role it is supposed to be doing
- Doesn't contribute to our game plan This might be a good card, maybe even a great card in other decks. But perhaps the effect just isn't one we need in this deck
- Cytoplast Root-Kin Too slow. Doesn't contribute to our game plan.
- Dragonmaster Outcast Too slow. Doesn't do enough
- Grazing Gladehart Doesn't do enough. While we like landfall triggers. The life gain is small enough to be negligable unless we are massrecycling all lands from our yard multiple times.
- Magmatic Force Too Slow.
- Magmaw Doens't contribute to our game plan / Doesn't Do enough. We can run other sac outlets if we want ways to sacrifice our elementals
- Scute Mob Possibly too slow. But I love me a scute mob so I'm fine with this staying in :D
- Spawnwrithe Doesn't do enough. However this one can stay in if you have found that you realistically get to connect with it at least twice to have four of them
- Tendershoot Dryad Doesn't contribute to our game plan. Though it is very good at gummin gup the board
- Tyrant of Discord Doesn't do enough. However if you change to having some ways to knock your opponents off of lands then the chances of this hitting multiple nonlands go up and its value does too. However there are enough control players where the onlything this will do is destroy a land at random
- Undergrowth Champion Deosn't do enough. It's got all the right keywords but thats about it
- Retreat to Kazandu Doesn't do enough. THe landfall idea is good, but putting 1 counter an a guy once or so a turn isn't worth the slot really
- Sword of the Animist Too Slow. We want this effect, but we aren't attacking multiple times in one turn so there are better effects to get lands from our deck. We don't neccessarily even have than many small creatures to equip this too to get it active early enough for the ramp to be that useful as ramp
- Animist's Awakening As much as i want this spell to ever be good. It's just not really at all.
- Journey of Discovery Too slow. For this to be actual search out ramp you need to entwine it which is then 6 mana. Any of the 4 mana double basics would be better here. Or just Explore type effects that cantrip too.
Turns out there is only slightly too much Nissa. (And not enough Chandra ;) ) All of the Nissas' contribute to our gameplan well except for Nissa, Voice of Zendikar . The general rule of Planeswalkers in commander is to assume that you will only get two activations if you are lucky. So with this one you will at best buff your team a little. Consider Garruk Wildspeaker instead maybe?
Other random Card Recommendations
- Boundless Realms All the rest of our lands from our deck? Yes please
- Sylvan Awakening We do this, then we overrun and nobody will be expecting it
- Genesis Wave As previously mentioned. It's the better Animist's Awakening
- The Mending of Dominaria More mass land recursion.
Well I hope some of this helped at least a little :)
2 months ago
Dragonmaster Outcast occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%