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2 days ago
Yeah, Mana Drain is a straight upgrade for Counterspell. However, I hesitate to add it to my paper list due to price and impact on game play. For example, adding Jeweled Lotus changes and improves my game plan much more than Mana Drain. Jeweled Lotus permits for turn 1 Najeela and easier recast later in the game. Mana Drain will counter something and probably net me one mana. For the price, I’ll wait to add Mana Drain and it will eventually be in the decklist.
1 week ago
1 week ago
So, let's have a look at the type of things you may want.
Lands: So, I can't afford OG duals really, but have found that shocks and fetches, coupled with the battlebond lands have kind of served me well. Fetches can get pricey, but you by no mean need them all. Having 5 or 6 fetches, all the shock lands (10 to 15 bucks each) and then filling it out with something like the battlebond lands can really sort you out. Cavern of Souls is always good, and can see you have one. Basically, lands coming into play untapped are much better. Quicker access to all that slivery goodness. Personally I would look to change those 3 colour tap lands and things like Rupture Spire piece at a time.
Ramp: So, as we are running 5 colour, we want to ramp and rock efficiently to get our board set ASAP. Chromatic Lantern is good, but I would replace the Pillar of Origins with an Arcane Signet. Its just better and less restrictive. For spells, Farseek, Nature's Lore, Three Visits and Skyshroud Claim all enable you to get land type lands. This will let you get your Breeding Pool or Godless Shrine as it has that land type. This is why shock lands (and to a lesser extent triomes) are so much better. You can even get these with the fetchlands too. Luckily, we also have Gemhide Sliver and Manaweft Sliver to turn all our slivers into our own Birds of Paradise
Slivers: So this is a big list here lol. I'm not going to try and write them all lol. I will say that I would cut several of the ones you have though. I would drop Virulent Sliver and replace with a Triumph of the Hordes. Combat tricks are good. Most of the Megantic Sliver effects I would drop I'm favour of things like Door of Destinies. Crystalline Sliver is great to protect your board a bit. Diffusion Sliver I can't see being relevant in a game of edh, and would rather take interaction like Counterspell etc. I think pairing back the creatures to the key ones is really important. Will free up space for stuff like card draw and interaction. Shifting Sliver is basically unblockable. Defo a good one. Necrotic Sliver means each sliver becomes a Vindicate at the cost of 2 and a sacrifice. Synapse Sliver is good to keep your hand full.
Other cards of note:
So just some good cards to consider.
Swords to Plowshares, Path to Exile, Kindred Discovery card draw is important, The Great Henge your commander makes this cost , Phyrexian Arena again, card draw. Wrath of God, Blasphemous Act or other destroy boardwipes. If your stuff is indestructible, all good. Yawgmoth's Will pricey, but such a good answer if you are boardwiped etc. Patriarch's Bidding you are likely to pay off better than most.
I think that's all I got for now. Please look at other decks with slivers as well to get a good idea of the stuff out there. Hope this is a good start of things to look at
1 week ago
Sultai_Sir Thanks for the suggestions. Current iteration is based off previous feedback, bit less creatures, more instants/sorceries. Probably plays a lot better than my original design. Updated it today after ordering the next batch of cards now that the holidays are over.
I do have a Young Pyromancer in my collection, so I'll consider throwing him in. I'll also give Kaza and Naru a try, managed to find a copy of Naru available locally. My local stores seem to have gotten new stock in with the new year.
I originally added Into the Maw of Hell for creature removal, the land destruction was just a bonus. Wasn't able to find Reality Shift locally (wishlisted it on a bunch of sites though) but I have ordered Pillage and a Pongify, so those will replace it. I do own a Stone Rain, but I might look to see if there is another CMC3 Destroy Artifact/Land before throwing it in, want to try and get versatility where possible.
Can't seem to find a Counterspell for a semi reasonable price locally (its added to the growing 'buy from overseas' list), so I'm mainly running CMC3 counters. I originally added Devious Coverup for the graveyard reclaim, but I might replace it with another CMC3 counter. I'll need to play a few more games to get a feel on how quick matches go and how much/frequent graveyard hate is, but you might be right with CMC4 being a bit too much for a counterspell.
1 week ago
Hey man, love the deck! It looks quick, powerful, and ridiculously budget. Here are some card suggestions for it, and I'll try to keep the cards under a couple of bucks:
Cards to Add
- Naru Meha, Master Wizard: Pump and copy. Good times!
- Kaza, Roil Chaser: Some nice ramp in colors that don't usually get it. Plus, it's a Wizard!
- Young Pizzy: This guy puts in work. Sure, his tokens are dinky, but he's only two mana, and you can curve right into Adeliz.
- Champion of Wits: Just straight up value. Plus recursion!
Cards to Cut
- Into the Maw of Hell: This card may look splashy, but good luck getting to six mana. You should just slot in some cheaper removal, like Reality Shift or, if you want land destruction, Pillage/Stone Rain.
- Devious Cover-Up: Just pack in Counterspell. The exile clause does barely anything, and it's twice as much mana.
Well, hope this helps, and as always, Happy Tapping!
RinceRaven on Brago
2 weeks ago
More edits, some sad cuts had to be made due to a super tight budget. I am a bit unsure about the amount of interaction currently ran, and about the effectiveness of a card like sun titan, as I haven't been able to test vs other decks and only really play solitaire.
Swords to Plowshares, Blue Sun's Zenith, Wrath of God, Detention Sphere, Gilded Lotus, Thespian's Stage, Ethersworn Canonist, Counterspell, Meteorite, Jace, Wielder of Mysteries, Ephemerate, Ghostly Flicker.
2 weeks ago
Great advice as always, Spirits! I finally got around to adding custom categories tonight, and that’s really made some cuts and includes obvious, so I’ll work on that in the morning because I’m off from work tomorrow.
Any thoughts on Doublecast in particular? It feels like a nice bit of value, but I’m a bit worried that it’s a trap. It doesn’t really combo with anything, but it can double up a tutor or a burst of card draw really efficiently. I feel the same way about some other copying cards like Twinning Staff and Fury Storm, but I’d probably cut Twinning Staff long before the others. For Fury Storm, the combo with Ral might be be good enough reason to keep it.
I’ll also fiddle with the mana base and ramp package in the morning. I want it to be solid, but my friends are just somewhere in between casual and competitive, so I’d feel a bit bad if I included a Mana Crypt or all 7 fetchlands. For Dramatic Reversal, I need artifacts that actually produce enough mana, but cards like Thran Dynamo and Gilded Lotus just seem too slow for this deck. That might be a sacrifice worth making to keep them happy. I probably won’t include any high-end counters like Force of Will or Mana Drain either, and will just opt for the classics like Counterspell and Negate. The way I see it (particularly in a singleton format because of the high variance) a well tuned deck will be powerful regardless of a few less than optimal cards, as long as they still synergize well. Obviously any deck would be strictly better with cards like Force of Will, but it shouldn’t take too much of a hit without them.
2 weeks ago
At Nava's request i'm posting suggested changes, additions, cuts, and my thoughts on them. She requested that I not stick to only budget, but keep the max single card value under $30 (I kept it under $20 for the most part and largely even lower than that). As such, here are my thoughts and recommendations.
Courser of Kruphix- Ramp, pulls cards off the top of your deck so you are more likely to draw useful cards and just directly drop your lands onto the battlefield
Living Lightning- a useful elemental that allows you to recast your instants/sorceries
Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar- A very powerful card that also allows you to bounce your lands so you can replay them for more effects
Nyxbloom Ancient- Triple mana on an elemental.
Overgrowth Elemental- A useful elemental that pumps your creatures and gains you life.
Ramunap Excavator- Replay your sacrificed and destroyed lands. Fantastic in a lands deck. Omnath feeds on lands, and the more you drop the more cards you can draw and counters you can give out.
Roil Elemental- A fantastic landfall ability that allows you to grab key pieces from your opponents and use them against each other
Seedborn Muse take full advantage of your lands and abilities without worrying about being tapped out
Titania, Protector of Argoth- land recursion, elemental generation.
World Shaper- land recursion
Birds of Paradise- One of the best dorks in the game
Sylvan Caryatid- Fantastic dork
Brighthearth Banneret- You are a lands deck. You have more than enough mana and this simply doesn't do enough for you.
Chandra's Embercat- This will be a recurring comment from me. You are a lands deck with plenty of ways to ramp. This is a very limited card that costs too much and doesn't do enough for you. You are a lands deck. Increase the number of ways you can pull lands out of your deck to further your decks goals and increase the chances of drawing a non-land card that will help you more.
Embodiment of Insight- Too expensive for the effect. Also, personally I don't like turning lands into creatures as it makes them incredibly vulnerable without giving enough benefit.
Embodiment of Spring- Too expensive and not nearly good enough.
Generator Servant- The haste isn't important enough for your creatures as you very rarely have anything massive enough or has a useful enough tap effect that is being cast from your hand to require it. Furthermore, you are a lands deck with plenty of ways to ramp. This is a very limited card that costs too much and doesn't do enough for you. You are a lands deck. Increase the number of ways you can pull lands out of your deck to further your decks goals and increase the chances of drawing a non-land card that will help you more.
Grove Rumbler- This card is terrible. Four for a 3/3 trample that has an effect that will pump it slightly for one turn. This is awful. It feels like this card was only put in due to it being an elemental.
Lavakin Brawler- Rarely do you ever have enough elementals out for this to be worthwhile. Not that it's terrible, but there are so many better cards that can be put in its place.
Parcelbeast- Doesn't get enough value to justify the slot
Smokebraider- You are a lands deck with plenty of ways to ramp. This is a very limited card that costs too much and doesn't do enough for you. You are a lands deck. Increase the number of ways you can pull lands out of your deck to further your decks goals and increase the chances of drawing a non-land card that will help you more.
Tireless Tracker- This has nothing to do with your deck and you're better off finding other draw engines
Surrak Dragonclaw- No synergy with the deck and not nearly good enough to justify the high mana cost.
Field of the Dead
Bring your land count to 38 or so
Coral Atoll- This is terrible. I know you're going for the bounce effect, but this is far worse for several reasons. Firstly, it only gives you blue mana as opposed to multicolored. Secondly, it requires specifically an island to be returned as opposed to any land that you can then take advantage of. And thirdly, it requires the land to be untapped which means that not only does it come in tapped, but it requires an untapped island which means you can't even use that land and then return it for value. This is awful. I don't love the bounce lands either, but I understand what you're going for and their value. This has neither.
Lumbering Falls, Raging Ravine, Wandering Fumarole- These man lands are in here entirely because they can become elementals, but really aren't worth running. They are come in tapped, cannot be fetched, and cost 4 mana to turn into a creature, largely negating any benefit. They're really bad and I highly recommend cutting them for more basics.
Unclaimed Territory- Not really worth the value. It's colorless more often than not and another basic land will give you more value than that more often.
Mana Vault- Nava already owns a copy of this in her Nekusar deck, so it can be added here without issue.
Strionic Resonator- Copy all of your ETB triggers, as well as any other triggered abilities. Fantastic
Chaos Warp- Removal on your own pieces or an opponents. Bypasses indestructible and often is allowed through without being counterspelled due to the fact that it's usually replacing a piece that people agree is a fair target rather than outright destroying or removing without replacing. A fantastic card overall
Constant Mists- Great protection when you need it, plus it can be bought back if needed. Lands can be recovered through multiple means.
Disallow- A must have for counterspells. It covers all possible basis and is fantastic.
Heroic Intervention- Hexproof and indestructible at instant speed for 2. Amazing.
Krosan Grip- Split second artifact/enchantment destruction. Among the best removal for them there is.
Force of Vigor- Free artifact/enchantment removal with multiple targets.
Swan Song- 1 drop counterspell that hits everything but creatures. A great counterspell to have on hand.
Counterspell- There are better cards to replace this with that are still very cheap/budget and are overall better
Growth Spiral- A decent card but we can do better given the range of cards available in commander
Inspiring Call- See Growth Spiral
Return to Nature- There are so many better versions of this for an equal if not lesser cost. Or, for one more there are better cards which I will be recommending.
Struggle / Survive- Too limited, not enough value, not powerful enough.
Tale's End- This is just a bad version of disallow that very rarely gets any value.
Withstand Death- This is a bad version of other similar cards.
Wrap in Vigor- Very rarely do mass destruction effects happen, and when they do the usually say "cannot be regenerated". This seems really good but i've never really seen it get any value and will typically be a dead card most of the time.
Genesis Wave- Drop all the permanents (lands included) that you can afford.
Life from the Loam- pull lands from your graveyard and keep your engine going without running out. Omnath feeds on lands, and the more you drop the more cards you can draw and counters you can give out.
Nature's Lore, Three Visits- Pull forests (basic and non-basic that are forests) from your deck. Very helpful at any time.
Scapeshift- Grab all the lands you want, plus trigger your landfall and other such triggers
Splendid Reclamation- Pull all the lands from your graveyard. Nuff said.
Tempt with Discovery- If one person takes it then it's a better Explosive Vegetation. If more then it's an amazing card, but even if no one else does you get to pick your land and in a lands deck you will get more value.
Windfall- Refills your hand, interferes with opponent's plans, dumps lands in graveyard for later use.
Ground Assault- very limited and not worth running. There are better cards with similar if not stronger effects available to you
Hull Breach- There are better cards with similar if not stronger effects available to you
Quasiduplicate- no real apparent benefit to this over other cards that can more directly further your end goal.
Sylvan Awakening- I don't recommend turning your lands into creatures, especially enmass. It's just asking for all your lands to be mass removed. Very dangerous and will rarely get the payoff you need. Limited and will be a dead card in hand except in very specific scenarios.
Burgeoning- land Acceleration
Trade Routes- Bounce lands for more triggers and value, and in a pinch you can pitch them for more cards. Mana swamped becomes a thing of the past.
Exploration- Land acceleration
Domri, Anarch of Bolas- It seems like the main reason this is being run is for the +1 ability, which is really not worth running a card like this for. Not enough value.
Nissa, Steward of Elements- Without a large number of counters on her she gets minimal value, and if you do pay enough mana to make her viable there are already better cards you can run for those costs.
Eternal Witness- Unless you find your creatures or important cards dead often, or have a real way to take advantage of the cards in your graveyard, this is unnecessary and doesn't do enough for the deck.
Fertilid- A decent card but i've never found it gets enough value for the cost. it's a minimum of 5 mana for 1 basic land. You need to do this at least 3 or 4 times to really get enough value to be worth running over a land fetch.
Leafkin Druid- This is okay as a dork and an elemental, but I've found with tribal decks that you are better off running other creature and card types that better fuel your deck as a whole and really allow the tribe to shine, rather than forcing the tribe everywhere.
Tectonic Giant- Not good enough.
Animar, Soul of Elements- Unnecessary.
Zendikar Resurgent- Largely unnecessary due to the high number of lands in the deck, but can be kept if you feel it worthwhile
Frontier Bivouac- decent but comes in tapped and cannot be fetched. In a lands deck you will rarely be hurting for colors and the fact that this comes in tapped slows you down.
Simic Growth Chamber, Izzet Boilerworks, Gruul Turf- While I see what you are going for with these, they overall do slow you down and you have enough lands (once you bump up to 38 or so) that you shouldn't have any issue with them. I'd swamp these for basics as you have far more ways to grab those.