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|Commander 2019 (C19)||Common|
|Core Set 2019 (M19)||Common|
|Rivals of Ixalan (RIX)||Common|
|Commander 2017 (C17)||Uncommon|
|Hour of Devastation (HOU)||Common|
|Oath of the Gatewatch (OGW)||Uncommon|
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Cinder Barrens Discussion
1 month ago
Alright, let's get down to it! Anje Falkenrath is relatively new and I'm not yet sold on her validity as a vampire commander. My primary hang up is the overall weakness of madness as a mechanic. It is still critically underrepresented on cards, and of those that do exist only a handful are actually any good. I'm not saying it can't be done, just that I am skeptical that it can compete with existing vampire archetypes.
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I try and avoid tap lands at all costs if possible. When running a low-to-the-ground deck like this, the loss of tempo from a tap land can be more damaging than the loss of color availability. In addition, I would discourage the use of artifact lands unless you are going for a specific artifact theme. This is simply because artifact lands are easier to destroy than regular lands and aren't worth the risk with literally no benefit in this particular list.
- Ancient Ziggurat
- Blood Crypt
- Bloodstained Mire
- Graven Cairns
- Luxury Suite
- Path of Ancestry
- Unclaimed Territory
- Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
I feel that any of these lands would be strong adds to your list. While some of the cards are a bit on the pricey side, I do feel they would improve the flow and power level of the deck.
- Bloodcrazed Neonate
- Bloodhall Priest
- Bloodsworn Steward
- Erdwal Ripper
- Falkenrath Reaver
- Heir of Falkenrath Flip
- Incorrigible Youths
- Markov Crusader
- Stromkirk Mentor
Many of these creatures are either too costly or too under-powered for this format. It is important to remember that in EDH, efficiency is key. I would discourage playing any creature that falls short of the formula (Power+Toughness)/2=Converted Mana Cost (e.g. A 2/2 for two mana or better) unless it is especially crucial for your deck to function.
In addition impact is crucial. Bloodhall Priest for example is fairly costed, but doesn't do enough to advance your board state for the cost.
- Champion of Dusk
- Cordial Vampire
- Dusk Legion Zealot
- Malakir Bloodwitch
- Stromkirk Occultist
- Twilight Prophet
- Vicious Conquistador
These creatures are all what I would describe as impactful or highly efficient. When I mean impactful, cards like Malakir Bloodwitch make a big splash when they hit and are still relevant after the fact due to their efficient bodies. In terms of efficiency, Vicious Conquistador can put in a lot of work in the early game as a cheap, go-wide card.
I don't have any good tips for adds here, but I would encourage you to look for modal or mass effect type cards for this category.
These all seem like good choices to me and many of them double as potential madness triggers essentially negating their downsides.
Basilisk Collar is a solid equipment, but this is neither a voltron nor combo build that can effectively utilize it. I like Eldrazi Monument for its power; however, you lack the ability to produce enough fodder to sustain it long-term. Finally, Rakdos Cluestone is simply outclassed by other mana rocks, most notably my suggestion Talisman of Indulgence .
Herald's Horn is just a good card in any tribal deck and I would highly recommend it!
My overall impression is that you've got a decent base here, but have made several choices that I see a lot of new EDH players make in their early decks. In general, you could use more card draw and I would encourage you to take a look at EDHREC or other vampire decks on here for inspiration in terms of what kinds of effects truly shine in EDH versus other formats.
1 month ago
I really want to get some Priest of the Forgotten Gods for the deck. I’ve considered Judith, the Scourge Diva and Cruel Celebrant but initially dismissed the life drain effect since I like be more aggressive with cards like Falkenrath Aristocrat . I’ll definitely look into getting a few copies of them both.
I thought about using Fatal Push , but for my playgroup meta Tragic Slip is going to more effective against my groups Dino and indestructible focused decks. Spark Harvest replaced Bone Splinters since my playgroup uses a lot of planeswalkers. Dreadbore could be good so I’ll keep an eye out for those as well. My main goal is to get two more copies of Falkenrath Aristocrat and focus on sacrificing the humans like Doomed Traveler and Hunted Witness . Seraph of the Scales is awesome, but is also out of my budget. I like having Martyr of Dusk just in case my opponent has a way around Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet ’s zombie engine and it’s saved me a few times. Same with Shamble Back but I am looking for a better alternative since I don’t always have a creature ready to exile for it.
Thank you for the recommendations!
2 months ago
Check, but I think I don't actually have Talisman of Hierarchy
Replace: read the bones -> Mind Stone
[Worldslayer] -> Arcbond
gorilla war cry -> Worn Powerstone
murderous spoils -> Murder
gilt leaf winnower -> Ravenous Chupacabra
Maybe archetype of courage -> Chief of the Scale
Kill: (need to kill 5, at 105 right now)
6 months ago
May I suggest you Crumbling Necropolis , Frontier Bivouac , Opulent Palace , Savage Lands , Jungle Shrine , Murmuring Bosk , Sandsteppe Citadel , Seaside Citadel , Vivid Grove , Vivid Crag , Vivid Creek , Rupture Spire , Transguild Promenade , Gateway Plaza , Exotic Orchard , Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse
Bloodfell Caves , Cinder Barrens , Dismal Backwater , Forsaken Sanctuary , Foul Orchard , Graypelt Refuge , Highland Lake , Jungle Hollow , Rugged Highlands , Scoured Barrens , Stone Quarry , Submerged Boneyard , Swiftwater Cliffs , Timber Gorge , Tranquil Cove , Wind-Scarred Crag and Woodland Stream .
I think it will increase the consistency of finding your colors. You can even lower your land count to 39 this way.
7 months ago
I don't think it's ever worth it to run Rakdos Guildgate or Cinder Barrens or Urborg Volcano especially since you already have plenty of other better dual lands in the deck. Honestly it's better to even just have basic lands in their place.
8 months ago
cdkime, those are good points. In response:
It's true that new players tend to do that. I'm a very Johnny player and enjoy researching, buying, and trading for singles that make my deck tick, but some people just like to play the cards they have. It never had to be that way with Temple, though. Until it found its way into every Commander product, it had only ever been printed in Scourge. If Wizards was going to let lands from Onslaught Block like fetchlands remain inaccessible to newer players, I don't see a reason they had to put a new supply of Temples out there.
I agree wholeheartedly. I do think that the Bouncelands are good if you have a casual meta, though. They line up horribly against Blood Moon and Strip Mine , but for budget 3-color decks, I think they're a good way to avoid missing land drops in the mid-game. For example, I put them in my dollar Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest deck.
This one, I have an issue with. I think Temple is worse than a basic land in the vast majority of decks. Fetches and shocks are a manner of fixing, rather than power. Whether you have to fill out your manabase with Cinder Barrens or not shouldn't have bearing over whether or not your deck should be running Temple. If anything, colorless utility lands lose value if you have to run more tapped duals to fix your mana as a result.
I agree entirely, and that's why I think it's so damaging to put Temple in precons. If a new player sees an Ancient Tomb across the table and goes looking for a budget alternative, they'll have to weigh what to cut, and what benefits from the inclusion, which is the right way to evaluate cards.
9 months ago
There are some cards that came with the commander deck that I'm not sure why you aren't using [which I am assuming you have since many of the cards linked show the commander 2017 set symbol]:
Path of Ancestry While this comes into play tapped, so don't a ton of the lands you are using. It still produces any color even if you don't use it on a dragon, you just don't get the scry.
Sol Ring This has a good case as the best card in commander. While it doesn't help cast your commander, it does get Explosive Vegetation or Circuitous Route cast on turn 2. Kodama's Reach and Cultivate would be great includes here as well [both also came with the deck]. Green is played for this kind of ramp.
Sunscorch Regent You wouldn't want these abilities on your commander? Or have it on the battlefield attacking next to it?
Crux of Fate is a one sided board wipe for you.
And that is a pretty wonky mana chart... while not in the pre-con, Exotic Orchard should always produce something you can use. Any of the taplands like Cinder Barrens could become the appropriate guildgate and then you could go for a Maze's End win as a back up in case you find yourself locked out of attacking. Add Crop Rotation to fetch Maze's End and use the Maze to fetch guildgates.
11 months ago
Curious as to why you have Trial of Zeal without a cartouche. I also don't see it being useful as it's a -drop enchantment that only does 3 damage, whereas a Lightning Bolt has the same effect for less. Now you may not want a lightning bolt specifically, so here's a link to that looks for cards with bolt in the name.
Raiders' Spoils is also questionable because I see you control a total of four warriors, meaning this cards second effect is almost entirely useless unless you can manage to get one of these four onto the battlefield and manage to do combat damage. Only two warriors have afflict, so I don't see this being entirely useful to you.
I don't see how Blood Moon helps you.
You have quite a few cards in here that force you to sacrifice a creature along with your opponent's. This can be good if you have nothing on the field, but is detrimental to you if you do, and you have almost no graveyard retrieval.
On top of this, a lot of cards do damage to you as a result of their effects. Heartless Hidetsugu, for example, takes away half your health along with your opponent, and with your deck which relies on damaging yourself in order to get some semblance of card advantage, you're putting them ahead.
This deck is countered by:
- Mill (obviously)
I think you're going for an aggro-burn deck, but you also want it to be sacrifice-control deck. You gotta choose one.
- The losing one life for card advantage is fine, but most of your cards for that have circumstantial effects, like Asylum Visitor. It's unlikely someone is going to run out of cards in their hand often unless you're running a discard deck or they're playing low cost cards only.
- Try to pick a specific type of creature you want your deck based around. It allows you to boost that type of creature more effectively, and there are some card effects that only work if you have certain creature types. You might want to try demons.
- Your land is fine. I recommend Cinder Barrens for another special land.
- Your deck could benefit from more artifacts.
- Definitely needs more work.
Cinder Barrens occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.07%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%