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- If there is an ability on your field increasing the power of creatures you control, is a new creature entering the battlefield considered to have the increased power upon entry, or does the effect apply after the card enters?
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Temur Ascendancy Discussion
3 weeks ago
Pikobyte I'm going to my LGS today to pick up Xenagos, the Reveler , Minds Aglow , Mass Hysteria , Guardian Augmenter , Whirlpool Warrior , and Spellskite . I think all of these are going to be great additions to this deck for the time being until I can find another Phyrexian Altar to slot in. I have one in Resurrection Insurrection but can't justify pulling out to put into Wheely Snakes just yet, I'd like to playtest with it first. Xenagos will replace Fevered Visions . I feel like the mana advantage that Xenagos will provide outweighs the extra card draw and 2 damage. I rarely play Fevered Visions anyway, I usually get it later in a game and have no need for the forced card draw since I'm usually wheeling by t4 t5 or t6. Minds Aglow will replace Prosperity, because exactly what you said in a previous comment. Mass Hysteria will replace Temur Ascendancy . It's easier to cast, and is the same haste enabler. I only have 4 creatures that would even trigger the 2nd ability of Temur Ascendancy so its gotta go! Guardian Augmenter and Spellskite will replace Niv-Mizzet, Parun and Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind . The Niv-Mizzets are hard to cast so I find more often than not, I don't cast them because I have a better option in hand that isn't going to cost nearly as much to cast. They are great when they are on the field, but I feel like protection and +2/+2 for Xyris is going to benefit me more often than the Nivs would. Lastly, I think Whirlpool Warrior is going to replace either Psychosis Crawler or Tribute to the Wild . Both are good in their own right. Psychosis crawler can be massive after a wheel or 2 and can put down some serious damage and Tribute to the wild is just fun, especially if an opponent's only artifact or enchantment is a combo or deck engine piece. Thats going to be the hardest cut decision on this round. Thank you again for your suggestions!
2 months ago
Thanks for the upvotes! I love your decks as well as their presentations. Idk if you need help with mana fixing, but I find Faeburrow Elder and Selvala, Heart of the Wilds work wonders. And if you want more Temur Ascendancy style draw, Garruk's Uprising has very similar utility. Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner too.
Also, it's been awhile since I updated deck pages; can you remind me how to set an image to the background? I have the code to make boxes transparent, but the code I was using before to set background images doesn't seem to work anymore.
5 months ago
For the Stompy version I would start by cutting Ruination Guide, Pitiless Plunderer, Sifter of Skulls, Blight Herder, Brood Butcher, Emrakrul’s Hatcher, Catacomb Sifter, Drowner of Hope, Awakening Zone, Etchings of the Chosen, Eyeless Watcher.
If you put in Rings of Brighthearth it combos with Basalt Monolith to make infinite mna. Both Monolith and Rings are 3 CmC and artifacts so they are tutorable with the same tutors you have in here for Fist of Suns. With infinite colourless mana Dimensional Infiltrator will be able to exile your opponents libraries, Essence Depleter can drain out the table, and Prophet of Distortion will let you draw your library. Rings doesn't have a lot of synergy with other cards in your list BUT if Golos was your commander it has a seriously powerful ability that would be awesome to copy.
Eternal Scourge + Food Chain is another combo you can consider which will make infinite COLOURED mana for creature spells and have infinite EtB and LtB triggers so this will end a game with Flayer Drone or Vela the Night-Clad in play. If you wanted to abuse the mana you would need Cloudstone Curio or a non-eldrazi bouncing creature as all the eldrazi bouncers are processors and it is unlikely your opponents will have an infinite pile of exiled cards.
I suggest adding in Pathrazer of Ulamog , Barrage Tyrant , World Breaker , Dread Defiler , Endless One , Not of This World , Rapacious One , Reality Smasher , Thought-Knot Seer , Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre , Ulamog's Crusher , & Vile Redeemer as suitable eldrazi stompy options. Barrage Tyrant and Dread Defiler get a special mention because Fling is an amazing effect that can give you the reach you need to close out a game or off a player hiding behind a pillowfort.
Here is a list of support cards off the top of my head: Sarkhan's Unsealing , Temur Ascendancy , Commander's Plate , Mana Maze , Cultivate , Kodama's Reach , Rampant Growth , Ugin, the Spirit Dragon , Everflowing Chalice , Thran Dynamo , Rishkar's Expertise , Return of the Wildspeaker , Garruk's Uprising , Hunting Grounds , Sneak Attack , Animar, Soul of Elements , Mana Geyser , Mirari's Wake , Ugin, the Ineffable , Show and Tell , Terror of the Peaks , Warstorm Surge , Alena, Kessig Trapper , Ilysian Caryatid , Momentous Fall , Greater Good , Sacellum Godspeaker , Selvala, Heart of the Wilds , The Great Henge , Eldritch Evolution , Energy Tap .
5 months ago
Hey, with what you have so far well done on a budget. Nice Omniscience Amonkhet invocation :)
Some budget cards to help with ramp:
Elder can potentially tap to make five mana, all five colors. It can make more mana when you have different colored permanents in your control making it busted when you control Scion of the Ur-Dragon . By itself it can make two mana (green and white), that alone is good for ramp/color fixing. Jodah's effect lets you cheat the casting cost of cards especially Ur-Dragon; cast him for five instead of nine. He's is excellent with Omniscience as casting cost will be difficult with this manabase.
Kiora can be repeatable draw when Dragons ETB and she can also be ramp. You can use her for seven turns for ramp before she dies and being able to untap any permanent means you can untap a mana rock or a mana dork. Crop Rotation is helpful to get any land by sacing a basic land to then tutor and put it onto the battlefield. Sylvan Scrying can tutor for any land.
Repeatable draw when Dragons ETB, being able to cheat creatures onto the battlefield and more haste are helpful effects with Dragons.
Some budget tutors to search for Dragon(s). Creature tutors can replace some draw spells since you want to draw Dragons anyway, might as well search for the one you want.
Some budget versatile instant removal or counterspells.
The manabase can be improved on a budget; 32 lands is low. I wouldn't go below 35 and I would play as much as 38 since you don't want to miss land drops when high CMC Dragons are the cards you want to be casting.
- Exotic Orchard
- Path of Ancestry
- Unclaimed Territory
- Cinder Glade
- Canopy Vista
- Prairie Stream
- Sunken Hollow
- Smoldering Marsh
- Yavimaya Coast
- Llanowar Wastes
- Savage Lands
- Jungle Shrine
- Terramorphic Expanse
- Ash Barrens
More five color lands help with color fixing. On a budget I recommend more basic Forests and the five Battle lands since Battle lands such as Cinder Glade have interaction with basic lands. You only need to control two basic lands of any type to activate a Battle land to ETB untaped. If you control a basic Forest and a basic Mountain then Sunken Hollow will ETB untapped.
Farseek is a land ramp spell that can search for any Battle land and put it onto the battlefield. It's helpful for color fixing to be able to ramp with a dual land. The green budget Pain lands such as Yavimaya Coast are nice since they can ETB untapped turn two or three to make green to cast a ramp spell. If you're going to play lands that always ETB tapped then Tri lands such as Savage Lands give you more color fixing from three different color choices. In five colors the Tri lands give you more than the Scry lands.
In the manabase you want at least 12 sources of each color and you want more green and red sources then the rest. Tri lands help with color fixing to give you more sources of colors. Red and green are the two most important colors for Dragons. Green for early game ramp and red for Dragons. Green is for ramp that also gets the other colors that's why it should have the most basic lands to give you more chances of drawing a green source early to cast ramp.
Good luck with your deck.
5 months ago
Morophon isn't doing much for this deck without Jodah or Fist of Suns so maybe try playing it in the 99 and use Golos, Tireless Pilgrim as the commander. Golos lets you cheat mana costs, ramps you, and is colourless to match the theme.
The biggest problem with eldrazi tribal is that eldrazi themselves aren't a unifying tribe as their effects support multiple different strategies which dilutes the power of each of those strategies. This can lead to dead draws and non synergistic board states which will make the deck feel clunky. The most prominent themes among eldrazi are aristocrats, tokens, and stompy so pick one of those as your primary focus. Aristocrats and tokens strategies synergize well however a stompy strategy requires entirely different support.
My friend has an Animar, Soul of Elements eldrazi tribal deck but his emphasis is on big stompy creatures so the deck is designed to have pay offs for playing those. Sarkhan's Unsealing , Sneak Attack , Temur Ascendancy , etc. He has some game ending combos like Animar + Cloudstone Curio + Eldrazi so it can win through non combat damage.
I can't really suggest much more before you decide which direction to take the deck in.
6 months ago
8 months ago
The amount of utility cards that facilitates for a large-creature/stompy deck (like giant tribal) is completely unparalleled and unrivaled. There are things--both budget and expensive--like Garruk's Uprising, Soul's Majesty, Hunter's Insight, Snake Umbra, Triumph of Ferocity, Lead the Stampede, Garruk, Primal Hunter, Return of the Wildspeaker, Abundance, Rhythm of the Wild, Selvala's Stampede, Shamanic Revelation, Elemental Bond, Colossal Majesty, Guardian Project, Rancor, Primal Rage, Heroic Intervention, Wrap in Vigor, Golgari Charm, Lifecrafter's Bestiary, Canopy Cover, Aspect of Mongoose, Alpha Authority, Asceticism, Defense of the Heart, Lignify, Lurking Predators, Bow of Nylea, The Great Henge, Eerie Ultimatum, Reap, Creeping Renaissance, Seasons Past, Reap the Past, Genesis Ultimatum, Beastmaster Ascension, Overwhelming Stampede...
The list is huge, and it grows every year.
This is on top of the superior ramping ability of Green and it's above-average removal options. One big advantage of Green's land-based ramp is things like Planar Cleansing, Hour of Revelation, Play of the Game, Bane of Progress, Creeping Corrosion, and Merciless Eviction can't send you back to the stone age by destroying all your mana rocks.
Everything you will want to be doing with Giant Tribal, Green supports and supports well. I cannot stress this enough. Not to mention the good green giants that keep getting printed.
Black doesn't provide too much in the way of utility specific to giant tribal or stompy decks other than recursion and good card draw like Greed, Phyrexian Arena, and Erebos, God of the Dead. Personally I like cards like Damnable Pact, Read the Bones, Ancient Craving and Ambition's Cost but if you're running Green and/or Blue you shouldn't need to lose life to draw cards. Painful Truths might still be useful due to it's great rate (three cards for three mana is good). Syphon Mind is a great rate and has the upside of making your opponents discard.
Obviously Black specializes in removal (but so does White!) so you could run things like Mortify, Despark, Utter End, Vindicate, Anguished Unmaking, Dreadbore, Terminate, Bedevil and Ruinous Ultimatum. In Garruk's Wake and Decree of Pain are probably good in your giant deck since you're ramping so hard. Since you're running White you shouldn't need Black's wraths, but those two stood out.
Things like Phyrexian Reclamation, Animate Dead, and Reanimate are great for creature decks. Palace Siege is all right on a budget. So is Twilight's Call. It's no Oversold Cemetery or Meren of Clan Nel Toth or Rise of the Dark Realms but those are pricey. Recovering from boardwipes will be important.
Blue has some interesting removal options like Curse of the Swine, Pongify, Rapid Hybridization, and Reality Shift. You have some Cyclonic Rifts in your trade binder, right? That alone is a great reason to run Blue in your deck (it's literally one of the best cards in EDH straight-up). Do it!
Blue also has all the card-draw--from per-turn stuff like Kumena's Awakening and Mind Unbound; chunks of cards like Concentrate, Treasure Cruise, Fact or Fiction, Fathom Trawl, and Tidings; huge hand-refillers like Overflowing Insight, Mind Spring, Stroke of Genius, and Pull from Tomorrow; and some sneaky stuff like Windfall, Keep Watch, Drawn from Dreams, Verity Circle, and Insight. Green has some amazing card-draw already but it wouldn't be a terrible idea to supplement it with Blue cards. Rush of Knowledge would be REALLY good in a giant-tribal deck--especially with Morophon, the Boundless at the helm.
Counterspells are very much not Giant/Stompy but I have a few aggro decks that run a silver-bullet copy of Negate or Swan Song just as anti-boardwipe tech. Not necessary though. Boros Charm, Golgari Charm, and Wrap in Vigor work well in that capacity. There are lots of 3-cmc options too but the mana difference between 2 and 3 is huge.
Temur Ascendancy would be reason alone to run five colors and be utterly fantastic in this deck.
Garruk's Uprising alone is reason to run at least Green.
Merciless Eviction is one of the best removal spells in the game. Four or five colors would allow you to run that.
You get the idea.
As you can see, there is a myriad of reasons to run more colors. Honestly, I really can't recommend it enough if true Giant-Tribal is the goal--whether Naya giants or five-color giants.
One extremely important thing for large-creature decks is to consider how you're going to recover from board wipes. Superior card-draw from Green, Black, and Blue cards will help immensely. Card advantage like Phyrexian Reclamation, Palace Siege, Seasons Past, All Suns' Dawn, Reap the Past, Reap, Creeping Renaissance, Eerie Ultimatum, and abilities like Mayael the Anima's, Golos, Tireless Pilgrim's, and Kenrith, the Returned King's reanimate ability will help you recover. These are things that Red and White simply can't do well. Sure there's Resurrection and Reya Dawnbringer, but they aren't great.
Brion Stoutarm is a legitimately good general--he really is!--but not for giant tribal. He brings nothing to the table for giant tribal other than being a decently-statted Giant himself and pigeonholes you into the worst color pair in EDH for essentially no benefit. As I mentioned, Iroas, God of Victory and, to a lesser extent, Kalemne, Disciple of Iroas would make better commanders if you are dead-set on Boros colors (which I do not recommend if you want to play maximum giants). If you were building around Brion's ability and had some giants around as support that would be one thing, but it seems that's not the goal. As such, please consider switching commanders :) I think that if you want Brion Stoutarm as the commander, you should make a Brion deck.
I really do think you'll be happier in the long run with a different commander It doesn't have to be expensive. Most of what you would need I can trade to you, including Morophon, the Boundless, and most supplemental cards I don't have are in the 25-cent to $1 range (Realm-Cloaked Giant, Mayael the Anima, etc). I actually have a shitload of this utility stuff on-hand, and you have some great staples like Cyclonic Rift on-hand--and probably more! I want you to be satisfied with your deck! It doesn't have to be competitive to be fun, but it doesn't have to be expensive to work better and smoother and be more competitive.