Eidolon of Rhetoric
Enchantment Creature — Spirit
Each player can't cast more than one spell each turn.
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|Commander: Rule 0||Legal|
- Does Eidolon of Rhetoric prevent me from casting Salt Road Patrol and activating the outlast ability?
- If Eidolon of Rhetoric enters the battlefield after my opponent has already cast a spell, can they cast another one?
- Does Splicing a card count as casting a spell?
- Enchantment Creatures
- Golos & Rule of Law
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Eidolon of Rhetoric Discussion
2 months ago
3 months ago
I like the brew! Some thoughts:
I personally feel like winning with the crabs is both adding another colour unnecessarily, and taking the slow-route to victory. Swapping them for Martyr of Sands and Serra Ascendant for example, gives you an overall much faster clock. That would also allow you to run Emeria, The Sky Ruin in your landbase for extra induced-misery.
I’m not convinced that Day of Judgment is a viable choice here. Yes, you do get a ton of your stuff back over time, but the Kami/Frog should already be providing a softlock on your opponent, and DoJ doesn’t help you if that lock becomes broken anyway. Path to Exile seems stronger as it’s more likely to buy you a turn if your only Kami/Frog gets bolted on end-step.
Your sideboard needs waay more interaction. This archtypes biggest weakness will be decks that are trying to combo, ala-goldfish-to-the-win - so you need ways to disrupt those plans imo. More Path to Exile, Strict Proctor, Eidolon of Rhetoric, and Sanctum Prelate all work wonders here. If you’ve changed to the abovementioned Martyr build, then burn isn’t an issue - but if you’re still on the crab-train, it’s a major threat, so Kor Firewalker is prolly needed sideboard
3 months ago
3 months ago
Nice deck! I don't know if it is the direction you'd want to go with it, but there is a very interesting interaction between the game plan you seem to have and Rule of Law effects - if that's something that would be welcome where you play obviously.
The thought is simple: Rule of Law (or equivalents like Eidolon of Rhetoric, Archon of Emeria or Deafening Silence) stops everyone from playing several spells in a turn. But if you can develop your board without playing more spells, say by gaining resources in a specific phase of the game or gaining additional value for casting the one spell you are allowed, you will pull ahead of your opponents bit by bit until you eventually have a winning position. You already play lots of such value engines like Court of Grace, Sigil of the Empty Throne and Ajani's Chosen - but you could also look into cards like Trudge Garden since Sythis will trigger lifegain triggers as well.
Either way, nice deck and keep up the great work!
9 months ago
Rule of Law is another 1 spell per turn enchantment, as is Eidolon of Rhetoric , both fetchable, and Archon of Emeria is great but not an enchantment. I run a Rule of Law based Zur deck, but I set it up so my win cons don't require 2 spells in the same turn. Does Consultation play nice with Laboratory for you, it seems like you are at risk of blocking your own win con sometimes.
Speaking of win cons, if you set up Helm of Obedience you might want to fetch a Mirrormade next, so you can kill the remaining 2 players in 1 turn, 1 the first turn you set up, then the remaining two the next turn. The versatile copy effect has lots of niche uses, so it's not a dead card (even if all you do is copy Sol Ring when you fetch it up, it's doing work I'd argue).
Web of Inertia is sometimes a lot better than Energy Field if being attacked period matters, IE vs Najeela or Eldrazi. If you just want the damage prevention I like Solitary Confinement , so I can't be targeted.
All That Glitters is, I find anyways, the best Zur Voltron card you'll find, often providing enough buff to win on it's own in slower match ups, IE if your hate cards do work. Any Copy Enchantment type effects (I run 3) synergize really well with Glitters.
9 months ago
Postt ofc! No worries about not keeping up with my decks, I'm sitting comfortably at 300ish rn so that's no easy task.
Now, I think I have a few comments:
Isochron Scepter + Silence is no fun to play against, but that's what we want, right?
9 months ago
If you're playing a very heavy control theme in commander your win condition is going to probably be a game lock. There are a few different kinds of those. Hard locks will literally stop your opponents from being able to play the game at all. You accomplish this by setting up a situation where they can't cast spells, they can't untap, or they can't generate mana. Soft locks are where you severely diminish an opponents ability to play the game. This is often done by forcing your opponents to discard all of their cards.
The hard locks I would suggest with this are the Karn lock and the Knowledge Pool lock. The Karn lock is very specifically Karn, the Great Creator + Mycosynth Lattice . Your opponents can't activate any abilities of permanents on the battlefield. This means that opponents can't tap anything for mana. The cards are also useful to you individually because Karn, the Great Creator stops opponents from using mana rocks and Mycosynth Lattice helps you cast opponent's spells by allowing you to spend your mana as though it were any color.
The Knowledge Pool lock has only one required card. Knowledge Pool exiles every spell that any player casts from their hand. Players can then cast a spell from the previously exiled cards. This means that a player must cast two spells for anything to resolve. Rule of Law prevents casting any spell after the first spell. Effectively this means to no one can play spells from their hands. But you can cast cards from other players hands if you have Sen Triplets out. This is also true for Arcane Laboratory , Eidolon of Rhetoric , Archon of Emeria , Drannith Magistrate , Teferi, Time Raveler and Ethersworn Canonist to an extent. All of those cards, are also things you use to limit the amount of actions other players can take as a part of your control strategy.
The soft locks all involve preventing players from drawing cards. Narset, Parter of Veils , Hullbreacher , Alms Collector , and Notion Thief . All of these prevent opponents from drawing cards to some extent, which benefits your control plan. The lock is formed when you have one of those pieces out and you cast a spell like Windfall , which makes everyone discard their hand and draw new cards. But they can't, so only you draw new cards. Cards like Windfall are also very strong as they allow you to refill your hand. Similar cards are Echo of Eons , Day's Undoing , Jace's Archivist , Time Reversal , Commit / Memory (Probably pick two or three, not all of them).
You could also use the Laboratory Maniac combos as a win condition, since you are in the right colors for it. It's probably the most common win condition in high powered competitive decks. The way it works is you draw through your entire deck while Laboratory Maniac or Jace, Wielder of Mysteries are on the board then you attempt to draw a card and you win. Similarly, you can draw through your entire deck and then play Thassa's Oracle . The ways you "draw" through your deck are either Tainted Pact , Demonic Consultation , or Doomsday . Because they are common competitive win conditions, some of those pieces are expensive.
Allow me to advise you on getting to these win conditions though. You can tutor for these pieces with Vampiric Tutor , Enlightened Tutor , Demonic Tutor , or similar cards; but you probably would rather draw into them because that also gets you your control cards. Two cards that are surprisingly good for this are Ad Nauseam and Peer into the Abyss . You have to keep the mana cost of spells very low for Ad Nauseam, but it's worth it especially because it was reprinted recently and is only a few dollars I think.
10 months ago
Omniscience_is_life building a sideboard for this might be a little tricky, cause there are going to be a lot of matchups your brew is going to struggle against. Your best bet will be to figure out what decks your local meta tends to play, and gear your sideboard up to deal with them.
Particular things your sideboard should look to deal with (if its in your local meta)
some kind of land hate vs Tron, and also maybe Valukut.
some kind of grave hate vs dredge & geaveyard decks. There’s lots of 0-1 mana artifacts to help you here. But also Remorseful Cleric
Veil of Summer for control & dimir matchups
some way to not auto-lose to burn, prowess, etc (something like Kor Firewalker )
if your meta includes lots of HammerTime and Infect decks, you’ll need more interaction. But in any case, you’ll want ways to stop combo decks auto-winning. Eidolon of Rhetoric (or its better more recently printed flyer) might be good here.
some way to avoid auto-losing to board wipes. So something like Selfless Spirit .
The above would be a good start to being able to cope with lots of modern decks, and probably get your sideboard really close to 15 cards.
You want to use creature cards in your sideboard to answer things where possible - as then you can get them by both Coco and Finale.
Hopefully your meta doesn’t run many tribal decks of their own, as sideboarding against them will be tricky, and unfortunately i think your deck will just auto-lose to them whatever you do anyway. The other big threat will be Jund, which i just don’t see your deck being able to generate enough value to ever keep up with (you might need 4x Veil of Summer sideboard just to give yourself a chance here)