Eidolon of Rhetoric
Enchantment Creature — Spirit
Each player can't cast more than one spell each turn.
|Want (2)||Axetooth , Phoreon|
Printings View all
|Mystery Booster: Store Edition (MYSTOR)||Rare|
|Journey into Nyx (JOU)||Uncommon|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
|Quest Magic RPG||Legal|
- Does Eidolon of Rhetoric prevent me from casting Salt Road Patrol and activating the outlast ability?
- If Eidolon of Rhetoric enters the battlefield after my opponent has already cast a spell, can they cast another one?
- Does Splicing a card count as casting a spell?
- Enchantment Creatures
- Golos & Rule of Law
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Eidolon of Rhetoric Discussion
3 weeks ago
Hey everyone, I’ll chime in as well. I first became interested in commander when I picked up the Kaalia of the Vast precon a few years ago. Ever since then I’ve been working on making my Kaalia deck as effective as possible. Recently I dove into cEDH and I changed my deck from a traditional aggro build to a hybrid aggro-stax build and I’m very happy with it. Kaalia can be slower than other super fast competitive decks, but with the stax elements I can slow down other players enough to beat them down. An interesting combo is Rule of Law or Eidolon of Rhetoric with Possibility Storm. If your opponents don’t stop you from pulling off the combo, they can no longer play any spells, and you can proceed to beat their faces in.
Here’s the deck if anyone is interested: KAALIA'S CATACLYSM (Mardu Aggro Stax)
Besides Kaalia, recently I discovered Tinybones, Trinket Thief (who I call the Tiny Punisher because he can kill every other player single-handedly and reminds me of a tiny Frank Castle lol) and I had to design a deck around it. I focus on discard and stax effects with the goal of dealing damage with Tinybones or assembling a lethal combo. If Leyline of the Void is in play, and you spend at least 1 on Helm of Obedience’s triggered ability, you exile a player’s entire library instantly! My playgroup has seen me pull this off and it strikes fear into their hearts lol. Another insta-kill combo is Bolas's Citadel plus Aetherflux Reservoir and Sensei's Divining Top. You use the Top to draw a card and place it on the top of your deck, then cast the Top from the top of your deck with the Citadel for 1 life, then use the Top again to draw a card and place it on the top of your deck, etc. Eventually you draw your entire deck and the Resevoir will allow you to gain more life than you lose with the Citadel. Then you can easily kill each opponent with the Resevoir.
Feel free to check out the deck: TINYBONES: TINY PUNISHER (Mono-Black Stax)
1 month ago
2 months ago
I know you're leaning towards GU/RG but maybe consider a commander who also includes white. Along with hatepieces already listed, things like Spirit of the Labyrinth Rule of Law, Deafening Silence and Eidolon of Rhetoric will prevent players from comboing off if they need to cast an additional spell per turn. Maybe think about Grand Arbiter Augustin IV or Derevi, Empyrial Tactician
3 months ago
I've always had a soft-spot for land destruction. Mana Vortex is quite possibly my very favourite.
But, upon the deck! Aven Mindcensor is always a splendid lock-piece. Leonin Arbiter is a nuisance, Sanctum Prelate can be quite fun, Angel of Jubilation makes any Chainer player weep, Rule of Law or Eidolon of Rhetoric are both enticing, Spirit of the Labyrinth maintains equality, and Crackdown is oft one-sided for strategies such as this.
Ravages of War is another one as addition, if it is to be in the budget.
I have my own commander taxes list if you care to peer upon it.
Enjoy the suffrage! And do remember, fun is relative.
3 months ago
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5 months ago
Most of the good hatebears have been mentioned already. Here are some more annyoing cards I can add to the list hereabove: Tithe Taker, Suppression Field, Angel of Jubilation, Eidolon of Obstruction, Eidolon of Rhetoric, True Believer, Leyline of Sanctity, Auriok Champion, Kor Firewalker and Aegis of the Gods.
Note that, though I find the archetype very cool, Hatebears - just like DnT - isn't very good in Modern. You have many degenerate strategies going around so unless you know the local meta like no one else, it'll be very hard for you to pull off results at big tournaments. Now if your goal is to have fun and/or try to win your LGS's FNM's then that's totally fine ;)
5 months ago
5 months ago
I have been brewing Alesha in the competitive scene for over a year and playing in tournaments weekly. Here are my thoughts.
- Don't run lands that enter tapped in competitive. Don't run mana rocks that enter tapped in competitive.
- The Ravnica bounce lands are tempting, but they enter tapped. They also really hurt when your opponent plays Blood Moon or Back to Basics, both of which are competitive staples. They are also 2-for-1 on yourself when an opponent uses a Strip Mine or Wasteland.
- When you run this many combos to win, you risk drawing lower quality pieces during the game. For example, if you start with the A part of one combo, and the B part of another, then draw the A part of a third combo, you now have 3 cards that are dead in your hand. All of your combos except Kiki jiki + Bellringer require 3 pieces to function as well, and all 3 pieces are required on the board or in the yard to hit the combo. Requiring 3 pieces means its easier for an opponent to remove one or counter one while you are trying to get the combo assembled. You should consider cutting down on the number of combos you run to help you hit the better combos you already have, more reliably. My first cut for the combos would be the Anafenza combo, since it is not always 100% guaranteed to fire correctly.
- I highly recommend running all Thrill of Possibility Wild Guess Cathartic Reunion Tormenting Voice, they generate big card advantage by throwing away creatures you can recur easily with Alesha.
- I recommend re-evaluating your hate bears on the list for the current meta. Tomok does not stop the Gitrog/Dakmor combo, and is only hating out a small number of cards. Kataki is not actually stopping combos, just making them take longer to get to. Kambal stops storm decks, but most will be able to remove him, and storm decks are not in the meta right now. The scariest combo is Demonic Consultation + Thassa's Oracle. I recommend Rule of Law Ethersworn Canonist and Eidolon of Rhetoric, which accomplish slowing on most decks while also blocking the current fastest combo. You also have some other holes in your hatebear/stax plan. You don't have any way to remove graveyards, and you don't run very many "hard stop" effects, you run mostly tax and delay effects.
- I would add more interaction. Red Elemental Blast and Pyroblast are both relatively cheap in dollars and extremely effective. You will see blue in almost every competitive pod. On top of protecting your own cards from counterspells, they also get rid of scary cards like Rhystic Study and can stop Thassa's Oracle while its on the stack. I'd also recommend more removal in general. Check out Aura of Silence, it has a nice tax effect, removes two different permanent types, and recurs with Sun Titan.
- My last recommend is to acquire Imperial Recruiter. It layers your deck by being a one card out to finding a combo. Imperial Recruiter fetches Kiki jiki, kiki copies Recruiter to fetch Bellringer, Bellringer untaps Kiki to start the combo. It means if you only have 1 tutor in hand and 0 combo pieces, you can still find your entire combo by tutoring for Imperial Recruiter. Recruiter also fetches relevant hatebears in a pinch if you can't combo out yet. It also recurs off Alesha if you have sac outlets or any way to kill it.