Eidolon of Rhetoric
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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Eidolon of Rhetoric

Enchantment Creature — Spirit

Each player can't cast more than one spell each turn.

Fluggleshmuggits on Cube Eternal

5 months ago

Changelog 12/10/22

Original Dual lands are in
2 color man lands are in
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DreadKhan on Utopian Prosperity

10 months ago

Luminarch Ascension definitely can attract attention when you play it, you either need to be in a pillowfort or have a wide board already. It makes lots of sense in a White deck that doesn't play a lot of other flyers, and would love to have access to some mid/late game, and expects to be able to block/be a bad player to swing at for whatever reason. In a deck where you already have a flyer on board usually (and possibly others as well), Ascension looks a little worse, but it also means you are more likely to be able to stop flying attackers to help get counters on Ascension. My solution is to run it in a deck where you have lots of support for it, I run it in Zur, where I put it in because he could fetch it, but found I liked drawing into it (especially early) a great deal. I'll list some stuff that can help it out below, first some 'fun' stuff, and second a bit of 'deeply unfun Stax' stuff, I'm not sure what you play against/people will tolerate.

Stuff like Archon of Emeria or Eidolon of Rhetoric (or even Rule of Law or Arcane Laboratory, or Deafening Silence or Ethersworn Canonist) can slow down players' ability to progress their board states, but your Commander comes with a mana sink attached that you can dump mana into. Rule of Law is a funny card, because it's really good in cEDH and against fairly competitive decks that hope to storm off, but vs decks with lots of big spells it can feel pointless, so it's not an especially salty stax piece in Casual play, even if it can be at the highest levels. Anyways, Ascension also likes stuff like this, it provides you with a potentially much stronger outlet for your extra mana, while possibly causing your opponents to waste some every turn due to Rule. Note, if you have Rule out, destroying Ascension will probably use up someone's spell for the turn, which probably will feel pretty bad for them. You could try Sterling Grove, which can find Asension or protect it, depending on the order you draw them. Greater Auramancy also exists, but it's pricey and does only one thing that may or may not matter, great to have both out though.

There are also stronger (and nastier obviously) things you can run like Crackdown, which will seriously hinder combat for anyone not running White creatures, which you (and your angel tokens) could ignore, but I'm not sure if this is appropriate for your power level, just mentioning that nastier stuff exists that make cards like Luminarch Ascension feel much better.

AstroAA on Help With Kaalia

1 year ago

Hello everyone! I come before the collective hivemind in search of help. I am building Kaalia of the Vast with a prison shell. I'm building Kaalia of the Vast over Winota, Joiner of Forces due to my desire to play big dumb angels.

In particular, I'm looking for assistance in regards to card draw and additional stax/prison cards. I'm trying to have a subtheme of cheating things into play through Kaalia herself, or through methods like Sneak Attack and Quicksilver Amulet to get around effects like Eidolon of Rhetoric. In addition, I'm also trying to get around effects like Spirit of the Labyrinth through cards like Scroll Rack and Necropotence. I know my list is missing things like Wheel of Fortune, but I don't particularly want to spend $350 on a copy or proxy one. Plus, I'd rather try and deny my opponents cards, rather than helping them cycle through their decks - albeit I know this can be stopped with Alms Collector.

My list can be found here:

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[EDH] Kaalia Prison

Commander / EDH* AstroAA

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Appreciate it!

Grubbernaut on

1 year ago

Eidolon of Rhetoric, Ethersworn Canonist, Rule of Law, Deafening Silence, Archon of Emeria are all fine options.

wallisface on Abiding Grace Turbo Frog

1 year ago

I like the brew! Some thoughts:

  • I personally feel like winning with the crabs is both adding another colour unnecessarily, and taking the slow-route to victory. Swapping them for Martyr of Sands and Serra Ascendant for example, gives you an overall much faster clock. That would also allow you to run Emeria, The Sky Ruin in your landbase for extra induced-misery.

  • I’m not convinced that Day of Judgment is a viable choice here. Yes, you do get a ton of your stuff back over time, but the Kami/Frog should already be providing a softlock on your opponent, and DoJ doesn’t help you if that lock becomes broken anyway. Path to Exile seems stronger as it’s more likely to buy you a turn if your only Kami/Frog gets bolted on end-step.

  • Your sideboard needs waay more interaction. This archtypes biggest weakness will be decks that are trying to combo, ala-goldfish-to-the-win - so you need ways to disrupt those plans imo. More Path to Exile, Strict Proctor, Eidolon of Rhetoric, and Sanctum Prelate all work wonders here. If you’ve changed to the abovementioned Martyr build, then burn isn’t an issue - but if you’re still on the crab-train, it’s a major threat, so Kor Firewalker is prolly needed sideboard

ThousandOaks on More Hugging, Less Mugging

1 year ago

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LynxGoddess on Sythis, should've been a Demigod

1 year ago

Nice deck! I don't know if it is the direction you'd want to go with it, but there is a very interesting interaction between the game plan you seem to have and Rule of Law effects - if that's something that would be welcome where you play obviously.

The thought is simple: Rule of Law (or equivalents like Eidolon of Rhetoric, Archon of Emeria or Deafening Silence) stops everyone from playing several spells in a turn. But if you can develop your board without playing more spells, say by gaining resources in a specific phase of the game or gaining additional value for casting the one spell you are allowed, you will pull ahead of your opponents bit by bit until you eventually have a winning position. You already play lots of such value engines like Court of Grace, Sigil of the Empty Throne and Ajani's Chosen - but you could also look into cards like Trudge Garden since Sythis will trigger lifegain triggers as well.

Either way, nice deck and keep up the great work!

DreadKhan on Not Another Zur Deck

2 years ago

Rule of Law is another 1 spell per turn enchantment, as is Eidolon of Rhetoric , both fetchable, and Archon of Emeria is great but not an enchantment. I run a Rule of Law based Zur deck, but I set it up so my win cons don't require 2 spells in the same turn. Does Consultation play nice with Laboratory for you, it seems like you are at risk of blocking your own win con sometimes.

Speaking of win cons, if you set up Helm of Obedience you might want to fetch a Mirrormade next, so you can kill the remaining 2 players in 1 turn, 1 the first turn you set up, then the remaining two the next turn. The versatile copy effect has lots of niche uses, so it's not a dead card (even if all you do is copy Sol Ring when you fetch it up, it's doing work I'd argue).

Web of Inertia is sometimes a lot better than Energy Field if being attacked period matters, IE vs Najeela or Eldrazi. If you just want the damage prevention I like Solitary Confinement , so I can't be targeted.

All That Glitters is, I find anyways, the best Zur Voltron card you'll find, often providing enough buff to win on it's own in slower match ups, IE if your hate cards do work. Any Copy Enchantment type effects (I run 3) synergize really well with Glitters.

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