Counter target spell, then untap up to four lands.
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2 months ago
I think this deck is really well-positioned to become a "draw-go" style control deck that plays instants and flash creatures on others' turns. Pteramander , Augur of Bolas , Brineborn Cutthroat , Threnody Singer , Vodalian Arcanist , Naiad of Hidden Coves , Wavebreak Hippocamp , Murmuring Mystic , and all of your instants (save for the likely too slow 4 mana ones) already fit in such an archetype to at least some extent. The horse fish is particularly insane as a card draw engine, and I'd try to get a playset of it if you can. Stacking them to draw even more cards with Nymris, Oona's Trickster , Baral, Chief of Compliance , Slitherwisp , etc. would also make Ominous Seas more viable, possibly even supplemented by draw payoffs like Chasm Skulker and Nadir Kraken .
For more generally good instants, Counterspell , Mana Leak , Countersquall , Frantic Search , AEtherize , Vapor Snag , Rewind , Cryptic Command , Opt , and Brainstorm (if you're playing with the legacy banned list) are options of varying budgets and power levels for a control deck.
The first cards I'd cut would be anything with suspend or that applies keyword ability counters. I think some amount of counter manipulation would be needed to maximize the value from such cards (with Clockspinning , Jhoira's Timebug , Paradox Haze , and Nikara, Lair Scavenger being a few things that come to mind). Then, I'd cull any sorceries or creatures that would take up all your mana on your own turn for minimal impact. Dead Revels , Frost Lynx , Alirios, Enraptured , and so on.
Sorry it took me a while to submit this after seeing the deck get posted earlier this week. Let me know if you have any questions and good luck with your build!
2 months ago
Nitaisonnenfeld Thanks for all the suggestions! I'll go through each of the categories and write on thoughts on each on :)
The tutors would be great, but my concern with all the tutors and like is that when I cascade with Codie, it will hit one of those instead of Living End. So I think I'll use 4 costs tutors so that I can use them without worrying about cascading into them
I thought about the cycling lands originally and decided to not put them in, but on further reflection (and with your comment :D) they would be good since land cycling can grab nonbasic lands, and they cycle themselves
As to the Zirda, I've actually yet to use her since if you cycle a card every one of your turns for the first few turns, its usually lethal damage when you attack.
I play in an online competitive EDH setting and people will ignore me because of the ~$30 price tag compared to $1000+ (I usually win as a result), but counterspells would be a good addition to help keep me alive. Again, they are a good idea so I'll put it some 4 cost ones like Rewind that also keep my mana open
Tectonic Reformation & Ramp could be helpful, but I personally feel the deck doesn't need it. However they are good ideas I might end up implementing later
Once again, thanks so much for your suggestions! I welcome the input and I'll try to use it as much as possible when tuning the deck.
2 months ago
You might like these: Distant Melody , Ribbons of the Reikai , Bident of Thassa , Coastal Piracy , Shared Animosity , Docent of Perfection Flip, Rewind , Military Intelligence , Shared Discovery , Windreader Sphinx , Obelisk of Urd , Mentor of the Meek
7 months ago
Counterspell, Quicksilver Fountain, Cloak and Dagger, Whispersilk Cloak, Dissipate, Stolen Identity, Tideshaper Mystic, Capsize, Insidious Will, AEtherspouts, Rewind, Dissolve, Telemin Performance, Commit / Memory, Explorer's Scope, Lonely Sandbar, Halimar Depths, Desert of the Mindful, Remote Isle. These are all off the top of my head, apologies for any repeats.
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Determining just how broken a card is depends on how well it can be interacted with. Omanth is very easy to interact with. However I do believe Genesis Ultimatum or Escape to the Wilds should have seen the axe
The other problem is that so many players are playing it just to win.
I think the bigger problem is that it forces a player to interact with it so early which throws off an opponents game plan, that and players don't want to put more removal in their decks.
Bloodchief's Thirst, Giant Killer, Mutual Destruction, Feed the Swarm Heartless Act Legion's Judgment Murderous Rider Mythos of Nethroi Dirge Bat Hagra Mauling Flip Drag to the Underworld Smite the Monstrous Triumphant Surge Angelic Ascension Dire Tactics Epic Downfall Necromentia Deny the Divine Eat to Extinction Banishing Light Skyclave Apparition Redcap Melee Thundering Rebuke Charge of the Forever-Beast Flame Spill Soul Sear Channeled Force Mythos of Vadrok Rumbling Rockslide The Akroan War Concerted Defense Anticognition Essence Scatter Jwari Disruption Flip Lofty Denial Cancel Convolute Deny the Divine Didn't Say Please Mystical Dispute Mystical Dispute Memory Drain Rewind Agonizing Remorse Memory Theft Pelakka Predation Flip Shatter the Sky Storm's Wrath Extinction Event
That's a whole lot of cards that can deal with Omnath decks. So its not so broken that it can't be dealt with. Does it mean you have to add more than 4 removal cards or change colors? You might have to. Does it mean you might have to change some strategy? Possibly.
Mono White has at least 12 solid answer cards for Omnath and you can still play aggro. Blue has counterspells though you might have to pair it with another color. Red has a few options as well, and the only color that is lacking is if you play mono green. With that many cards you really can't say it's so broken it's unbeatable. You have to play around it. You have to anticipate the strategy. These cards can easily be maindecked, and if youre a player that goes 38 creatures and only 22 lands then I'm sorry for you.
But I wholey disagree with the term Broken. Ive often seen Omnath players quit when they lose Cobra and Omnath. I've also seen a lot of them pass the turn and pass several turns. If you cannot answer it, its out of lack of trying, preparedness, or just a bad game which happens. Also, its not Omnath doing broken things. Omnath only produces the mana to do really really good things. IF Wizards bans Escape and Ultimatum players will have to switch to Lithoforming and while it won't kill the deck it will slow it down and I think that's a more fair approach. But yeah... as above, you don't have to limit yourself to just what's being played. Think outside the box.