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|Duel Decks: Knights vs. Dragons (DDG)||Uncommon|
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Creature — Human Barbarian Shaman
Dragon spells you play cost less to play.
Dragonspeaker Shaman Discussion
2 weeks ago
- Makes more sense to use the Ur-Dragon as a commander as eminence immediately makes all dragons cheaper.
- There's also no guarantee you get the ramp you need to play Morophon, or even getting Jodah or Fist of Suns.
Most of your dragons are going to cost 1 or 2 mana less even with your commander out.
- Include Sarkhan's Triumph , Zirilan of the Claw for basic, but effective dragon tutors. (Zirilian will require some blinking).
Include Arcane Adaptation so you can abuse some tribal elements with non-dragon creatures.
Your average cmc is 4.69, which makes sense, since you're playing dragons, but this is still a problem.
- You overall strategy seems to rely too heavily on cost reduction and ramp.
- You have very little effective and consistent cost reduction, and your ramp consists of Mirari's Wake , Smothering Tithe , and Urza's Incubator . The fetch spells you have are all green as well, so you will be hecked if you somehow don't get that color.
When playtesting your deck, I had many high cmc cards and some lands, a lot of which entered in tapped. Most tests took until turn 4 to get anything played. This tells me that you need more ramp for your stompy.
And one last thing: I would disregard control spells if you plan to kill your opponent's faster than they can play.
2 months ago
Hey @Eldrazi_lord I've got a few suggestions for you, maybe you can do something with them :P.
The first thing I'd address is the fact that I don't think you have enough dragons to work with your commander. I think you'll need to decide between going with a big creature theme or going with a token theme. Your commander is more conducive to the former option, so my suggestions will be geared towards that. Some dragon additions I would consider are:
I know I suggested a ton of high mana cost stuff, so here are some ramp suggestions to get you there -
Next, some removal suggestions:
Lastly, some utility/misc suggestions:
I have tons of other suggestions, so if you'd like to go in this direction hit me up and I'll keep going.
oh, one last last thing, you probably want to add more lands. like, 5-6 more minimum.
3 months ago
Hey, nice version of causal The Ur-Dragon.
I know you don't want suggestions for the manabase, but 34 lands is low amount for Dragons. With an avg. CMC of 4.1 and only a few mana rocks and land ramp spells it's going to be difficult to consistently play cards from your hand especially Dragons even with Ur-Dragon's mana cost reduction. My advice is to consider 38 lands? For now just add more basic lands, 3x Snow Mountain and 1x Snow Forest? Also consider adding more low mana cost mana sources that are within the budget here:
Consider more tutors to get a Dragon especially Utvara Hellkite :
Temur Ascendancy has powerful effects with Dragons. Drakuseth, Maw of Flames is pretty ridiculous with haste. Vaevictis Asmadi, the Dire is underrated in multiplayer Commander and is also good with haste. Vizier of the Menagerie has a helpful ability when playing lots of creatures, five colors and it's good with Fist of Suns .
Demons and Angels are fun too, but I don't think you need or want them here. Cards to consider cutting:
- Embodiment of Agonies
- Rienne, Angel of Rebirth
- Golos, Tireless Pilgrim
- Ryusei, the Falling Star
- Archetype of Endurance
- Force of Despair
- Crucible of Fire
- Sword of Sinew and Steel
- Blackblade Reforged
- Altar of Dementia
- Jaya's Immolating Inferno
- All Suns' Dawn
I offer more advice including why I suggest to cut these cards and other manabase options. Good luck with your deck.
3 months ago
I'd think about adding Kokusho, the Evening Star and Scourge of Valkas for more powerful dragons. If you want your dragons to cost less, Dragonlord's Servant and Dragonspeaker Shaman . For cuts, I'd reccomend Shock , Lightning Bolt , and Censor
4 months ago
Big Update - The "Flying Matters" sub-theme is no more. Incorporated many recommendations of Vlasiax to streamline the deck and make it a little leaner and meaner.
Spit Flame , Mana Flare , Heartbeat of Spring , The Immortal Sun , Skarrgan Hellkite , Hellkite Tyrant , Kilnmouth Dragon , Bladewing the Risen , Darigaaz Reincarnated , Shizo, Death's Storehouse , and Woodland Cemetery
Worldly Tutor , Sarkhan's Triumph , Night's Whisper , Nature's Claim , Abrupt Decay , Dragonlord's Servant , Dragonspeaker Shaman , Goreclaw, Terror of Qal Sisma , Patriarch's Bidding , Evolving Wilds , and Terramorphic Expanse
4 months ago
Thank you! I was originally going to run Dragonspeaker Shaman , but the mana cost was a little restrictive in a three-color deck without fetchlands. Utvara Hellkite is a great suggestion, and much better within my budget. I ended up replacing Scourge of the Throne with it. I already actually run a Dragonlord's Servant . It's such a good card in this kind of deck.
4 months ago
5 months ago
Thank you, excellent suggestions.
I will probably end up swapping Kilnmouth Dragon for Night's Whisper , but it will be painful to do so. If you've ever pulled off revealing 3 dragons from your hand and then dropping in the Kilnmouth Dragon , it's a pretty awesome feeling.
As far as Crucible of Fire goes, I hear you. I know it's a total Timmy/"Win More" card, but I'm a Timmy. Also, I feel like it's one of the few options for "Dragon Tribal"-- if you're not utilizing tribal interactions, why bother?; it also makes all of the tokens absolute beasts. The 2/2s become 5/5 terrors of the skies, etc., etc. With Nesting Dragon in the mix, I felt like this was a card I wanted to include. I think I'm going to play-test a bit after my next update and see how it goes.
I was thinking something a little bit similar with Spit Flame -- the best part there was that it fits the dragon triblal theme and lets me re-use it from the GY for only .
Also, my "Flying Matters" theme is just about toast now, so I'll probably be adding in the Dragonspeaker Shaman and the Dragonlord's Servant instead of the group-hug mana doublers I'm currently including. While I'm at it, I'll probably be adding Goreclaw, Terror of Qal Sisma too (which was an early suggestion from you).
The point re: Temple of the False God is fair and I'll be swapping it out. I also checked out the Evolving Wilds article you linked. Given the benefit of landfall from Nesting Dragon , do you think I should roll with the "slow taplands" or TM/EW?
I'll work on posting a major update this weekend. Thanks again for your thoughts and feedback, I really appreciate it.
Dragonspeaker Shaman occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.02%