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As Frontier Siege enters the battlefield, choose Khans or Dragons.
• Khans — At the beginning of each of your main phases, add to your mana pool. • Dragons — Whenever a creature with flying enters the battlefield under your control, you may have it fight target creature you don't control.
4 months ago
ok, I just play against my friend with the dragon deck and I think it might need some more mana producers or cheap fear.
His commander is Atarka, World Render, and here are some cards that I now know are in his deck: Foe-Razer Regent, Furnace Whelp, Rapacious Dragon, Atarka Monument, Frontier Siege, Vandalblast, Sweltering Suns, Talisman of Impulse, Akoum Hellkite, Harbinger of the Hunt, Dream Pillager, Sol Ring, Dragonmaster Outcast, Dragonspeaker Shaman, Savage Ventmaw, Dragonlord's Servant, Tyrant's Familiar, Thunderbreak Regent, and Drakuseth, Maw of Flames.
5 months ago
Hello! I saw your deck help tag and wanted to give some insight.
I don't run Miirym as commander, but I do have her in the 99 in Smashing Faces with the Ur-Dragon, and she always pushes me to victory whenever she's allowed to stick on the battlefield.
Some areas you might want to change to improve your consistency:
1 - Ramp
- Farseek and Fellwar Stone are great for fixing for multiple colors of mana. You might take out Birds of Paradise (dies so easily), Sakura-Tribe Elder (fixes for only one color) and Sword of Once and Future (no synergy with dragons) for them.
- Skyshroud Claim is great for the same reasons above. Frontier Siege never impressed me in a multicolor deck, because I often need colors outside of .
- If you run the suggestions above, you probably need more fetchable dual lands: Ketria Triome, Breeding Pool, Steam Vents, Stomping Ground, Sheltered Thicket, Wooded Ridgeline.
- If you run Into the North, you can also use Highland Forest, Rimewood Falls, Volatile Fjord and some snow basics (Snow-Covered Forest, Snow-Covered Island, Snow-Covered Mountain) to fetch.
2 - Draw/Haste
- It is tough to cast Tribute to the World Tree in a 3-color deck without Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth or Chromatic Lantern on the battlefield. Maybe you want Temur Ascendancy instead.
3 - Removal/Boardwipes
- Chain Reaction cleans your own dragons. Curse of the Swine should get rid of your opponents' most problematic creatures. If you face a lot of token decks, Surtland Frostpyre is a boardwipe on a land that leaves most of your dragons alive.
- Green Sun's Twilight could be Chaos Warp as a second Beast Within.
4 - Protection
- In my dragons deck, I often want protection and haste for more than one creature. Swiftfoot Boots got swapped out for Asceticism.
- Slip Out the Back could instead be Heroic Intervention (it has good synergy with Blasphemous Act).
- If you don't want to be attacked, Propaganda might deter more attackers than Fog.
- Can you cast Counterspell and Bane's Contingency reliably? Swan Song or Arcane Denial might be easier to cast considering your manabase.
5 - Card draw
- Rishkar's Expertise, Garruk, Primal Hunter and Return of the Wildspeaker are the cream of the crop of green card draw. You might want to remove Blur, Essence Flux and Ghostly Flicker for them. (Instead of running flicker effects to save your creatures, it might be better to just run more threats in case they are dealt with - and card draw helps with that.)
6 - Better threats
- Dragon Broodmother creates tokens at a much faster pace than Dragonmaster Outcast.
- Korlessa, Scale Singer never impressed me. Knollspine Dragon is way better at drawing cards.
- Overwhelming Stampede wins games harder than Thundermaw Hellkite.
- I would take out Flameblast Dragon for Utvara Hellkite.
7 - Some utility lands you might want to run
9 months ago
Mind if I ask how you got Atarka to say "thick"?
As for Miirym, what I do is go for a three-pronged approach: Ramp (excluded, all decks should have ramp), ETB effects, draw and doubling or copying effects.
Miirym at her core is a value-driven Commander. You want each spell to have weight and merit. That weight might not be immediately accessible, but your ultimate goal should be to overwhelm and overpower. Yes, you are prone to wraths, rifts, counterspells, prisons, taxes, etc but that is really a problem that belies all decks, indeed all formats. Though, some to a lesser degree. Regardless, the key here is saturation.
For example, Miirym will create a token copy of any dragon that enters the battlefield under your control, yes? Therefore, spells and permanents that take advantage of this will reign supreme. I see you have Dragon Tempest and Warstorm Surge, so you're off to a good start. As do you have Garruk's Uprising and Temur Ascendancy.
So fundamentally you already understand the core concepts of Miirym.
I see you also have Adrix and Niv and Reflections. These are a good start. The issue here is that just 2 cards out of the whole deck are going to largely be unseen throughout multiple games. You want consistency. Cards such as Parallel Lives or Doubling Season work really well, as does Progenitor Mimic.
My decks also run a much more dense population of ramp in the way of mana rocks, also. Drawing cards does no good if you can't cast them. Speaking of which, Sneak Attack doesn't require you to cast the dragon, but she will still copy it. That's something to consider.
A really good closer is Furnace of Wrath or anything that can double your damage. I see you have Atarka, World Render which is a great addition especially in and against pronounced aerial combat scenarios. However, being able to stack doubling damage is also a wonderful thing.
My particular deck relies heavily on ETB damage effects, which can be used to clear the way for assaults. Since my Dragons have numerous ways to garner haste, it means that I can decimate threats, then attack my opponent's life points directly - oops, wrong tcg
A wonderful addition is Frontier Siege for this very reason. While it does risk my own dragon dying, it also is wonderful removal in general. Notice that it is a "may" ability, which means I do not have to allow my dragon to die to a much larger threat. Then again, if Miirym is in play, I'm effectively getting 2 spot-removals for the price of one. Alternatively, if I am against a faster opponent or a combo-centric deck, I can always choose Khans and opt to add instead.
A wonderful addition to the deck, I see you have Savage Ventmaw and Klauth, Unrivaled Ancient is Old Gnawbone. Don't be afraid to add more legendary dragons to your list, because the clone copies that Miirym make are specifically listed as non-legendary, which I feel is where her true power comes from.
Speaking of which, one supremely strong utility creature in the deck is Hellkite Tyrant. Since EDH players make large use of artifacts, but artifact removal is scarce, you can take full advantage of this and steal their toys right out from under their noses. You also gain the ability, with haste, to strip the resources of two opponents at once! And if you make an additional token copy, you can hit all three and be miles ahead of the competition.
Just realize that a well-oiled Miirym deck will make you public enemy #1. Expect some archenemy matches in your near future. And don't be surprised when players hold grudges and retaliations against you. I once played against a guy who singularly focused on me for an entire game, despite me doing literally nothing because I had no ramp and wasn't drawing into lands. But that's a story for another day.
1 year ago
Okay, I'm playtesting Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm in my kitchen and have the following boardstate:
When Astral Dragon ETB, I have multiple items land on the stack at once. In particular;
- Miirym seeks to make a token copy of Astral Dragon
- Adrix and Nev seek to use their replacement effect to modify this
- Frontier Siege is looking for a target to fight
- And Astral Dragon is also looking for a non-creature permanent to copy, twice
I want to maximize the fighting, so I put Frontier Siege on the stack first, so it becomes the last thing to resolve
Next, I want to figure out how to order the rest so I have the most fight triggers going off.
The issue is, the token copy of Astral Dragon will enter the battlefield, and it will be duplicated thanks to Adrix and Nev. So I'll have two brand new Astral Dragons, both of which are looking for 2 non-creature targets to copy.
And let's not forget Adrix and Nev are also seeing these 3/3 Dragon token and will make even more of them. So each Astral Dragon will populate 4 total tokens of Frontier Siege.
With three Astral Dragons, that is a grand total of 3(4)=12 Frontier Siege 3/3 Dragon tokens.
(I could choose Khans for all of it and land 24x mana during the beginning of EACH of my main phases, but where's the fun in that)
So, my question is, how can I stack this monstrosity to maximize the number of fight triggers?
Because while they are 3/3s, in a pinch it's a good secret wrath that I just discovered, if need be.
1 year ago
I have a lot of ideas for you, but it depends how much budget you want to allow for this upgrade. I see you are contemplating Old Gnawbone, so I will assume you are ok with some suggestions being on the pricey side.
Dragonmaster Outcast is a good value for the low cost.
Every good tribal deck in red needs Shared Animosity.
Hope this helps!
1 year ago
Comet Storm could be a great way to spend all that mana you’re gonna have. Tyrant's Familiar is a nice pay off, especially if you only have your background out. Budget didn’t seem too much a barrier for most of your other choices so I’m surprised not to see Ancient Copper Dragon as it fits Dragons, treasures, and Bauldur’s Gate all wrapped up into one card. Frontier Siege is another one to look into. Lathliss, Dragon Queen and Dragon Broodmother will help you pop out more dragons to get more treasures.
1 year ago
Remember a while ago where I made Zaren, Silverback Ironfist? The Ape Berserker who revolved around the Fight mechanic? So I built a deck and he was way to powerful. Every single creature spell becoems removal. Even when I nerf him, dropping it from two +1/+1 counters when the creature survives down to just a single +1/+1 until end of turn, everything just decimates the boardstate. Dropping a Hornet Queen just wrecked a game I was playing in. Because he is a custom commander, I have the deck here on Tappedout and I have the browser tab open. My current boardstate (after winning the game) looks like this:
- Zaren, Omnath, Locus of Rage, 4x 5/5 Elemental tokens, Akroma, Angel of Fury, Toralf, God of Fury Flip, Myojin of Life's Web whom I removed the counter from in order to bring into play Myojin of Towering Might, Foe-Razer Regent, Gruul Ragebeast, Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider, Kolvori, God of Kinship Flip, Kodama of the East Tree who brought out Thorn Mammoth and Arcane Signet because that's all I had that were less MV. I also had a very early Elemental Bond, so I kept drawing a ton of cards. My hand currently sits at Forest, Pit Fight, Mountain, Ghalta, Primal Hunger, Apex Altisaur, The Tarrasque, Kogla, the Titan Ape and Dragonlord Atarka with Hunt the Hunter, Furious Rise, Frontier Siege, Mountain, Hornet Queen and Boxing Ring in my graveyard.
- It's my Turn 9.
Game ended with me at 24 life.
Poor Ur-Dragon died twice to my fights; Once to Akroma, Angel of Fury after she triggered a second time since The Ur-Dragon is both white and blue, she couldn't deal damage back. So when Akroma dealt 6, she got +1/+1 until end of turn and I had her fight again with Hunt the Hunter, since The Ur-Dragon is green. Later, Hornet Queen made short work of it, again.
I think I vastly underestimated the power of the Fight mechanic, and now I understand why we do not have a Fight Commander. T-T
At the beginning of combat on your turn, you and target opponent may each reveal cards from the top of your library until you both reveal a creature card. If you do, they enter the battlefield tapped and fight each other. Put the rest of the revealed cards on the bottom of their libraries in a random order. If one creature survives, it remains on the battlefield. If both creatures survive, their owners shuffle them back into their library.
1 year ago
I have found Loxodon Gatekeeper and Baird, Steward of Argive to be useful, on-theme bits of pillow-fort, while Reverent Hoplite brings in some nice extra soldiers, and Bastion Protector can help keep Saskia alive.
Also, for a tribal deck in black, Patriarch's Bidding got a recent reprint!