Celestial Colonnade enters the battlefield tapped.
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,: Until end of turn, Celestial Colonnade becomes a 4/4 white and blue Elemental creature with flying and vigilance. It's still a land.
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Celestial Colonnade Discussion
3 months ago
Hello, I have a couple of suggestions for your deck that may help. Your mana base could get some love. You have a lot of lands that enter tapped or bounce lands to stay in play. I think you should replace all copies of Azorius Chancery with more copies of basic lands and/or Glacial Fortress and your game play would smooth out. Bounce lands don't actually ramp your mana and you can't use them the turn you play them so you lose a bit of tempo. Irrigated Farmland or Celestial Colonnade are other good options if entering tapped does not bother you.
I also don't think Growing Ranks helps this deck and is either a dead draw or does not really advance your game state even when it comes online. I also feel the same way about Tempered Steel . This is basically a win more card. It can't win the game without creatures and it does not make them to win with. If you are already producing thopters, you don't need to boost their power and toughness. You just keeping making them until you win. I would cut both of these cards from your deck.
You also don't have much removal or card advantage. I would suggest increasing your copies of Dispatch and your other instants/counters and maybe adding copies of a sweeper to the deck. Either a wrath card or bounce everything card. Stuff like Supreme Verdict or Cyclonic Rift types of cards depending on your card pool or budget. Some other card suggestions would be Archmage's Charm , Whir of Invention , Witching Well . Any of these would serve you better than those enchantments I think you should cut.
4 months ago
Hoooookay. You said you were new, so this is a good try, but we're gonna basically entirely revamp this list.
First, you literally cannot use Mystic Sanctuary in a 3-color deck without fetches, and I do not mean Evolving Wilds . Lose that idea, you can't make it work with the budget you appear to have. (of course come back to it once you can afford 4x Flooded Strand , 4x Polluted Delta , and 2x each Hallowed Fountain and Watery Grave .)
Your(budget) manabase should look something like this:
2x Celestial Colonnade (as a win con)
2x Creeping Tar Pit (as a win con)
4x Port Town
The core of a budget Esper control deck is 4 each Serum Visions, Opt, Fatal Push, Path to Exile, Day of Judgement(or other 4-mana wrath), Archmage's Charm,
The other cards in that list that you should absolutely run are Esper Charm, any Teferi, most Jace walkers, Silundi Vision(run all of those if you can), Saw it Coming, Doomskar.
Chromium is a fine finisher, but don't run 3. Use 1, possibly 2 if you somehow have problems finding it.
I also recommend using Thassa's Intervention and any 5 cmc or less planeswalker with the text 'draw a card' on either of its first two abilities.
Quick edit: shadow63, no, control can stand taplands. But the manlands and MDFC lands are the only real lands that are worth entering tapped. (basically, they end up being extra lands that do a lot but aren't just lands.)
Also, you may want to tinker with how many manlands are used. Additionally, any spell double-faced lands are definitely playable if their spell side is worth casting at any point. Just don't cut lands for them.
You're control -- the things you're doing turns 1-2-3 are mostly Opt, Serum Visions, Path and Push.
6 months ago
6 months ago
+1 for spirits!
Alright. So my main concern with this deck is that you have nothing to do on turn 1 and very little to do on turn 2. Conversely, you have over half of your spells vying for turn 3. So my main recommendation would be to convert some of your CMC 3 and higher spells into 1 and 2 drops. I know you purposefully stuffed the 3 CMC slot for Drift of Phantasms' transmute ability.... but honestly, you don't need a LOT of cards at 3 CMC for the transmute to matter. You just need the most important cards (notably, Drogskol Captain). Quality vs quantity. :)
So some nominations!
Another possibility is Celestial Colonnade. It doesn't make a spirit, but a 4/4 flyer is still formidable, and it'll get pumped by Empyrean Eagle. The land also produces both colors of mana, which is nice.
Whichever you choose, I'd only add 2x.
Mausoleum Wanderer is on-board countermagic. As you play your anthem effects like Supreme Phantom, the Wanderer will naturally get bigger and make it harder for the opponent to pay the cost. But also, when combined with flash spirits, its power can grow out of nowhere, making the calculations not in your opponent's favor.
Now, the downside to an on-board counter is that the opponent knows about it.... but is that actually a complete downside? Unless you're playing against experienced players, an opponent will often durdle and hold back out of fear of your counter. Which is, in effect, allowing you to "cast" the counter for free every single turn that they DON'T play the thing they're worried about you countering. Now, a good player will "bait out" the counter so that they don't have to worry about it anymore.... but that still sometimes means they're playing suboptimally. In addition, the Wanderer will also attract their removal spells, meaning your anthem effects and other important spirits are safer. And you're fine trading a 1 mana spirit for their removal spell!
Not as awesome, but Spectral Sailor has the important Flash mechanic, which is especially good when it only costs 1 mana. This can be anything from a surprise blocker to a buff for the Wanderer's countermagic to a surprise tap-down with Nebelgast Herald (which is extra good against decks with hasty creatures). Finally, it gives you a mana sink if the game goes long and you need to draw some cards.
Speaking of drawing cards.... the weakest of the bunch is Dreamcatcher, but since you'll be casting spirit spells all game long, there'll be plenty of chances to trade in this early game blocker for a new card whenever it seems best.
I would replace Geist of the Archives with Kaijin of the Vanishing Touch. Yes, it has 1 less toughness, but it's 1 mana cheaper than the former, with a potentially more potent ability (gives a small amount of bounce!), and that toughness will easily rise with all the anthem effects you have.
Not a new recommendation, but I would run the full playset of Supreme Phantom. The anthem effects will be the key to sealing your victory. I would replace your 2x Mindshrieker with the Phantom, since you don't have enough top-deck manipulation to make Mindshrieker reliable.
Spell Queller is an amazing sideboard card. It can replace one of your counterspells, and notably it "counters" uncounterable spells. Yes, the opponent has a chance to get the spell back, but combine Queller with Drogskol Captain, and good luck with that!
Geist of Saint Traft doesn't have the acclaim he used to, but I still like him, and combined with p/t boosts, he likely won't die in battle. And he always brings a 4/4 buddy with him! (Which also gets buffed by Empyrean Eagle). The hexproof also makes him hard to remove.
Probably another sideboard card, but Kira, Great Glass-Spinner is a very strong tax against removal-heavy decks.
Callow Jushi Flip: Probably not as good as the other counterspell options, but kinda fun! Note that you don't have to flip him with just 2 ki counters on him, so you can save up the ki counters until the more crucial turns of the game. You can also have one flipped with a couple ki counters while you build up another one, because the legend rule doesn't apply until it's flipped.
Anthem effects: Like with Supreme Phantom, I see no reason not to run the full playsets of Drogskol Captain and Empyrean Eagle. The hexproof provided by Drogskol Captain is particularly important, and he would be my first two things to transmute for.
I also already mentioned Mindshrieker, and for a similar reason, I don't feel Callous Deceiver is good in this deck. Without anthem effects, the best it can be is a 2/3 flyer for 3 mana.... not that great. Its abilities don't help with anything else in the deck.
Another 3 drop I'd cut is Uninvited Geist Flip. Its skulk ability doesn't synergize well with anthem effects, as pretty soon most creatures can block it. If it started as a 1/1, skulk might be better.... but then it's 3 mana for a 1/1 that takes 2 turns to transform into an unblockable 3/3. Eh. It also doesn't have flying for the Eagle to buff.
I'm loathe to suggest cutting Celestial Messenger because I know you like your Yanling package.... but honestly, the Yanling package will work without this over-costed spirit. It's 4 mana for a 4/3 flyer, IF Yanling is out.... and that's it. The only thing it's got going for it is that gorgeous art. Too bad it doesn't have mechanics to match.
Curse of Echoes's inclusion confuses me. If you like to play multiplayer games, this card can actually be BAD (you might not want your other two opponents getting copies!). But even 1v1, it gives too much control to the opponent. First, they have to have a deck with enough instants/sorceries to matter, so at best this would be a sideboard card. But even then, they can play around it too easily by not casting any devastating spells until they've found a way to deal with it.
Also not sold on Sturmgeist. At best it's an 8/8 flyer, but that's if you can keep a full grip of cards. But aside from Mu Yanling, Sea Gate Restoration Flip, and Sturmgeist itself (4 cards total), you have no ways of refilling your hand. More likely it'll be a 3/3 or 4/4 flyer that sometimes draws you a card. Not that great for 5 mana. Doesn't feel like the right deck for it.
Keiga, the Tide Star: While stealing a creature is fun, Control Magic-effects usually cost less (4-5 mana), and with Keiga, you don't even get the effect until Keiga dies! If you want this effect in the deck, there's other more efficient ways to achieve it.
Finally, at the top of the CMC charts is Sea Gate Restoration Flip. And hey, if it's a pet card, keep it. But hear me out on my concern. As stated above, this deck isn't designed to draw cards, so by the time you have 7 mana (turn 8-9), how many cards do you think you'll have left in hand? I'd bet 2-3, assuming you've been playing out cards on curve. So you'll draw 3-4. Is that worth the 7 mana? That's up to you, but since the going rate on a base draw effect is 4 mana to draw 3, you should be drawing more like 5-6. (This is also comparable to Mind Spring, which would draw you 5 for 7 mana.)
P.S. I am gonna go ahead and state this for the record: Your hunch that the 3-turn idea won't pan out so well is sadly going to be correct. It involves skipping a turn and getting a planeswalker to a (scary) ultimate — the former dangerous, the latter near impossible. It would be easier to spend 1 less mana and cast a 5 CMC extra turn spell or two. That said, the idea of taking THREE turns in a row IS truly fun, so by all means, play around with it until you tire of the strategy!
-2 Mindshrieker -2 Geist of the Archives -2 Uninvited Geist -1 Callous Deceiver -3 Celestial Messenger -3 Dungeon Geists -1 Curse of Echoes -1 Sturmgeist -1 Keiga, the Tide Star -1 Sea Gate Restoration
+1 Prairie Stream +2 Moorland Haunt +4 Mausoleum Wanderer +4 Spectral Sailor +2 Supreme Phantom +2 Drogskol Captain +2 Empyrean Eagle
+2 Spell Queller +2 Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
(Sideboard cuts up to you)
I'd personally replace some of the mainboard counters with Spell Queller and Kira, since they're also spirits. But there's obviously pros to running unconditional counters like Dissolve.
I know that was quite a lot, but the more I dug into the available spirits, the more things I came up with! LoL. I hope at least something in all that helped.
6 months ago
I think a good place to start would be to evaluate what goals are the most important for your deck while making sure you don't have too many ideas that compete against each other. When I look at the deck now, I can see the general idea of a U/W control list that takes advantage of freeze and lifegain to prolong the fight until you can win. However, I see some major problems with the plan as it is now.
First, the deck lacks a clear win condition at the end of all the control. You'll either need to chip away over the course of a slow game with your smaller creatures or hope you have enough freeze effects to get your big guys in late-game. Control deck usually opt for some type of haymaker that can reliably close the game. Some like AEtherling and Gideon, Ally of Zendikar are designed to protect themselves, some like Celestial Colonnade and Shark Typhoon place emphasis on evasion, some like Torrential Gearhulk and Snapcaster Mage give you as much value as possible, and some like Jace, the Mind Sculptor and Teferi, Time Raveler deny your opponents of counterplay. There's a lot of overlap within those categories and not all of these cards will be played as a wincon, but having a clear plan to win is better than only playing to not lose. The closest cards you have are probably Serpent of Yawning Depths and Archipelagore. Sea monsters are certainly a fine casual deck but slotting them into something else can be awkward at best and ineffectual at worst.
The second problem I see is the missed potential of your chosen colors combined with your chosen tribe. Right now, you have very few ways to take advantage of the clerics in the deck. Clerics are intended to be W/B since you get access to powerful new tools like Orah, Skyclave Hierophant, Taborax, Hope's Demise, and Cleric of Life's Bond along with classics like Sin Collector, High Priest of Penance, and Skirsdag High Priest. The lifegain/drain synergy in clerics also benefits from orzhov colors to play threats like Angel of Destiny, Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose, Marauding Blight-Priest, Speaker of the Heavens, Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim, Twilight Prophet, Pious Evangel Flip, Drana's Emissary, and Cruel Celebrant.
Incidentally, black also synergizes quite well with tapdown effects because of Assassinate cards like Royal Assassin, Deathbringer Liege, and Murderous Compulsion, although white does have its share of Vengeance with Sunblast Angel, Deadeye Harpooner, and Swift Response. Anyway, now that I'm on this tangent, it's worth mentioning that including strong freeze effects is important if you want to make such an underused mechanic work. I'm partial to Dungeon Geists and Icefall Regent as permanent taps, but there's also Guardian of Tazeem, Niblis of Frost, Tamiyo, the Moon Sage, Time of Ice, Lorthos, the Tidemaker, Frost Titan, and Hands of Binding. Alternatively you can use cheaper cards that can retap a creature each turn like Gideon's Lawkeeper, Blinding Souleater, Fatestitcher, Hidden Strings, and Minister of Impediments. The final category I'll mention are other cards that take advantage of tapping enemy creatures like Palliation Accord and Verity Circle, except I'd only ever recommend the latter.
In summary, I think you should decide whether you're more interested in clerics or in freeze since they don't synergize with each other that well. For clerics, switching to black and taking advantage of lifedrain and sacrifice is advisable. For freeze control, find ways to abuse tapping, implement a strong win condition, and generally include more card draw and countermagic. If you are dead set on combining these styles, I'd at least invest in some tribal support cards to give the clerics more impact than just weakly contributing to the party mechanic. Adaptive Automaton, Door of Destinies, Obelisk of Urd, and Coat of Arms are some popular options. Finally, if your budget doesn't allow you to purchase many new cards, prioritizing the acquisition of additional copies of your strongest but cheapest cards is a good way to upgrade. For this deck, I think those cards are Attended Healer, Cleric of Chill Depths, Hypnotic Sprite, Kor Celebrant, Luminarch Aspirant, Queen of Ice, Shepherd of Heroes, Skyclave Cleric Flip, Concerted Defense, Dovin's Veto, Negate, Inscription of Insight, Staggering Insight, Trapped in the Tower, and maybe Silundi Vision Flip. Good luck with your build and let me know if you have any questions!
8 months ago
Also, I kinda prefer the Ixalan artwork for Opt but you do you.
9 months ago
30 lands sounds good that’s 3 / guild. Do you mind if I take the Esper colors? I was thinking of both a midrange and a control build.
9 months ago
@Jackfrost23: Compared to U/R Storm with Gifts Ungiven, this is more of a "draw-go" hard control deck, rather than a combo deck. You're looking to grind your opponent down through raw card advantage and silver bullet answers over casting a big Grapeshot. Compared to Junk Gifts, the red over green means much stronger removal. Not only do you get Lightning Bolt, but also cards like Terminate and Kolaghan's Command. Sometimes, you can just burn people to death like U/W/R Control does by going Lightning Bolt -> Snapcaster Mage -> Lightning Bolt at your opponent's end step, then untap and swing with Snap and Celestial Colonnade.
What makes this specific build powerful is how difficult it is to remove its threats. Not only is Godo, Bandit Warlord strong on his lonesome by getting an equipment, Batterskull is hard to get rid of. But then along comes Trading Post and Academy Ruins to make Batterskull even more difficult to remove. This means you can safely trade your threats against other control decks. Your opponent is forced to counter your Batterskull after they bounce it back to your hand after it came out from Unburial Rites on Godo, only to have to still deal with it when you get it back via Crucible of Worlds -> Academy Ruins. Coupled with Lingering Souls and other threats, you have this massive value engine that means your opponent gets 29,301,246-for-1'd every time they want to deal with something.
Where this deck struggles that other Gifts may not is in the lack of countermagic and answers to aggro. Aggro can have problems dealing with the 12+ removal spells in the main deck and boardwipes out of the sideboard, but sometimes you just run out of removal faster than they run out of gas. No counterspells makes Tron and combo difficult matchups. This build is more about beating a control-heavy meta with red-based aggro, while CoCo variants, Humans, Fish, and so on are harder to deal with.