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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
|Commander: Rule 0||Legal|
Celestial Colonnade enters the battlefield tapped.
: Gain or .
,: Until end of turn, Celestial Colonnade becomes a 4/4 white and blue Elemental creature with flying and vigilance. It's still a land.
2 weeks ago
Hey that deck seems realy nice, I would change Stroke of Genius by Pull from Tomorrow and Curious Homunculus Flip by Baral, Chief of Compliance I would also put more manlands, Celestial Colonnade Hall of Storm Giants Forbidding Watchtower and Faceless Haven seems good pick to me (and if u wana be mean Inkmoth Nexus lol. But outside of that that a neat build ^^
1 month ago
i think ill give it a shot, the only thing ll do is add a Celestial Colonnade and I’ll probably mainboard the shredders. I greatly appreciate your ingenuity
1 month ago
I’m going to add here a description of what a control decks purpose is about, as hopefully this helps with your deckbuilding decisions.
The primary goal of a control is to win by having more resources in-hand than the opponent, while ensuring the opponent can’t do anything too dangerous on-board. In this vein:
you need ways to increase your hand size, to get ahead of your opponent in cards - so you need ways to draw 2-or-more cards (or, a card that draws as-well-as disrupts, in one package) Current control decks typically do this vua 4x Archmage's Charm and 2x Memory Deluge. But other options include Into the Story, Think Twice, Expressive Iteration, Cryptic Command, etc. Without a way to get more cards than an opponent, a control deck will run out of resources, and then lose to top-decks.
you need a way to finish the game that also provides incremental value. Control decks want creatures that 2-for-1, so that they maintain their resource advantage - so their creatures are things like Snapcaster Mage, Solitude, a cycled Shark Typhoon, or failing that manlands like Celestial Colonnade. If the creatures you use don’t provide you resource advantage, then they’re more likely to hurt your plans than help you.
lands are super important. You need to be able to cast resources from your hand to gain & maintain your advantage. A control deck that can’t play a land everyturn for the first 4-5 turns of the game, will very-often lose. Because a Control deck often has a near-full hand, there’s often no-such-thing as drawing “too many” lands, while drawing too-few is disastrous.
So, in summary, every-single-card in your deck that isn’t a land, either needs to provide some form of resource-advantage, or trade 1-for-1 with an opponents card (i.e Counterspell, Prismatic Ending etc).
Taking the above points and comparing them to your current build:
Deflecting Palm, Boros Reckoner, Hover Barrier, Ugin's Conjurant and Basri Ket are all bad choices as they offer you no form of resource advantage (and some of these, like the Conjurant, are just terrible in general).
Your selection of counterspells leave a lot to be desired. Too many if them have very specific targets on what they can counter, which isn’t ideal as it means your “resources” may sometimes be useless. A lot of these also cost a LOT more mana than what they should, considering their average effects.
you don’t have enough ways to gain resource-advantage.
your land count is waaay too low.
you have no “finisher” card that actually wants to be in this deck.
3 months ago
- Poppet Stitcher Flip Is great when you have 1/1s but bad if they do anything more. Prowess is an ability so you tokens wouldn't be as strong. 3 mana is also fairly espensive. We would want to slow the game down more. I might suggest Luminarch Ascension being this is a value control deck. It helps keep card advantage and if you are holding mana you can sink it here at the end step.
- Manamorphose also seems pretty good in the deck its a spell that gives you your mana back/fixes it into any of your needed colors and is card neutral.
- Hard Evidence might be replaced with Slight of Hand or Serum Visions being you want to filter your deck better.
- You are sitting a 8 fetchlands i wouldnt go past 6, 6 shock lands is also high Jeskai control is current running 7 fetch and 3 shock lands.
- Consider Mystic Gate Castle Vantress Celestial Colonnade 1x Raugrin Triome Hall of Storm Giants 1x Eiganjo, Seat of the Empire The creature lands can help close games or stall games when needed.They also are more evasive which can help. Utility lands are worth it they really help. Fiery Islet and Sunbaked Canyon can also help draw cards and filter. I run 5 in my burn deck.
- I also think 6 basics is a lot i would only do 2-3 personally. Espically when Seachrome Coast Inspiring Vantage and Spirebluff Canal exist.
- Spectral Procession is a good value card to think about, Lingering Souls is also a card but i wouldnt go that route personally.
- Boros Charm is also a great card that can protect against board wipes or give some burst with a mentor token or just give you the needed reach to close some games.
- Let me know if you want me to look at the deck some more
4 months ago
Chandra Ablaze does not seem very good in this deck, I can't see a time you really want to use her +1 and her -2 is pretty situational for control. Neither is really worth the cost either. Chandra, the Firebrand is alright, but I think that there are better planeswalker options. Chandra, Torch of Defiance is probably the best Chandra, although she's a bit more expensive. Ajani Vengeant is another pretty solid option.
Fire / Ice can replace Lightning Bolt if you find yourself light on card draw. You'll want to replace Drawn from Dreams with instant draw. A couple options are Precognitive Perception, Sphinx's Revelation, Chemister's Insight, or Thassa's Intervention.
Going over the land base, you may be able to go down 1-2 and replace them with draw, your high end is only 4-5 mana. Take out basics for 4 Mystic Monastery, 3 Battlefield Forge, and 2 either Celestial Colonnade or Wandering Fumarole. I'm not completely sure what your colored distribution is, so those numbers may not be optimal.
4 months ago
Alright! Awesome! forneyt, thank you so much for your help! You are amazing! Yes, nearly all of my cards take at least . Unfortunately, I can't change my manabase this week, and I plan on playing this week. However, I have this small issue: wouldn't it be better to run multiple Raugrin Triome and Mystic Monastery instead of lands that enter tapped while they have only two mana colors, like Needle Spires, Wandering Fumarole, Temple of Triumph, Temple of Epiphany and Celestial Colonnade? That means there are at least 6 tri-land I can add instead of those, and that brings me back to 8x tri-lands as in my original manabase as posted. The advantage of those cards is their activated abilities, but I don't plan on running many of those abilities. And, Everything that is listed on this deck is already owned by me. I also have 3x Soul-Scar Mage, but I can't run that at the same time as Soulfire Grand Master. I don't own Soulfire Grand Master, either.
4 months ago
Okay, thanks for the clarification haha. I think in the case of a more casual environment, Izzet Charm is great because it provides you different options, so it is rarely a dead card. Keep in mind that Izzet Charm only counters noncreature spells, whereas Mana Leak counters any spell, which is why having a couple of each is good. Mutiny looks like a fun, on-theme card, but it is very conditional, so I would suggest only doing 1 mainboard and maybe 1 sideboard. My issue with Illusory Wrappings is that if you enchant the creature and then bolt it, that is a 2-1 exchange in your opponent's favor (your enchantment  + your removal  for their creature ). A good replacement could be Polymorphist's Jest, which is an instant so you could swing in with your creatures then use it as a combat trick to take out more of your opponent's creatures with 1 spell. That is intensive and conditional, so that should probably be a 1-of in mainboard or max 2 in sideboard.
A couple Shocks should be plenty because it's a budget build, but no more than 2 of each because they are inefficient. Although, I think Shock would be better than Opt in this deck because you want to maximize damage, so perhaps you could push those out and replace them with Shocks and Izzet Charms. Once you have the budget for Skullcrack, the Shocks should be the first to go. I also believe that Guttersnipe, while it is undoubtedly a good card, should be replaced with Soulfire Grand Master because 3 mana is a lot when you have so many creatures in the deck. The Electrostatic Fields are cheaper, and they can be good blockers (on theme) and are resistant to opponents' Lightning Bolts, unlike Guttersnipe.
Classic Counterspell could also be good in this deck once your mana base is secure. Negate is also an amazing counterspell in the right meta, and it's cheap! One in the mainboard and/or a couple in the sideboard could prove valuable. Counterspells are important, but they are only helpful if they are applicable and castable. Make sure you have some variety and not too many with severe restrictions. So 4x Counterspell is good, but 1x Counterspell, 1x Mana Leak, 1x Negate, and 1x Izzet Charm is better. The 1x Mana Leak takes away the restriction without taking away the variety, the 1x Negate allows the mana flexibility of Mana Leak without the mana restriction at the expense of restrictive targets, and 1x Izzet Charm allows for greater variety in plays, but it's hard to beat the power of Counterspell so it deserves its spot.
That brings me to your mana base. My biggest suggestion is to avoid lands that don't tap for because almost all of your spells use in some way, and you can get mana screwed really easily if you don't have access to it. The pain lands would be perfect for your deck: Shivan Reef and Battlefield Forge. They provide you with your colors and come into play untapped, which is huge. In my opinion, Nephalia Academy is not helpful and you might as well have a Wastes instead because at least that can be tutored if a creature gets Path to Exiled. But I have some other utility lands to suggest for you.
If you find yourself building up a good board presence, Castle Embereth would be very helpful. If you find that your opponents are going wider, Surtland Frostpyre could be a good boardwipe. Geier Reach Sanitarium would be good to cycle dead draws, but it doesn't tap for a helpful color. Needle Spires and Wandering Fumarole are great manlands in your colors, and although Celestial Colonnade doesn't tap for , it can be the difference between staying behind and pulling ahead in longer matchups and is worth an include. Temple of Epiphany and Temple of Triumph are decent Turn 1 plays, as they can let you plan your next turn and counterstrike. Also, the longer I look at Soulfire Grand Master, the more I think it's perfect for the deck. If you take advantage of the lifelink it gives, the pain lands will be absolutely no trouble. It also allows you to recast your spells as you go into the late game in longer matchups, which is amazing. Keep in mind that for Mutiny, the opponent's creature is doing the damage, so you won't gain life.
Anyway, a solid manabase would be 4x Shivan Reef, 4x Battlefield Forge, 2x Raugrin Triome, 1x Needle Spires, 1x Wandering Fumarole, 2x Temple of Triumph, 1x Temple of Epiphany, 1x Celestial Colonnade, 3x Mountain, 1x Plains, 1x Island. About a third of these land come into play tapped instead of half as your deck currently stands, they all tap for relevant colors, and several give you some utility if your spells fall short. Some of the numbers will need to be tweaked depending on what your spells are, but this should be a great improvement! And all of these lands are around a dollar, many are less than a dollar (except for Celestial Colonnade, which is only a couple dollars, but it's really that good). Depending on the requirements, you may need to switch a Mountain for an Island, but your dual lands should cover it well.
5 months ago
Commander is an increasingly fast format because of the cry for not ramping on turn 2 being a death sentence. You can still Farseek off of one of these if you play it turn 1. The only turn they're bad is turn 2, and if you have to play it tapped turn two, you should probably have mulligan'd your hand. I'll play Deserted Beach over Seachrome Coast in any commander deck. Which doesn't mean I'll play it, to be honest, I think it goes the two-colored equivalent of:
Horizon land if available (Horizon Canopy and such)
Prairie Stream but only with fetches
Irrigated Farmland better with fetches, cycling still solid
Glacial Floodplain higher with fetches, of course
That's the general order I'd consider them to include in my 2-color deck if available, I guess.