At the beginning of your upkeep, if you have four or more creature cards in your graveyard, you may return target creature card from your graveyard to your hand.
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Oversold Cemetery Discussion
Osbert on Dame Drain
3 months ago
Ayara doesn't seem like a good fit since you only have 7 black creatures including herself and your commander.
Selvala also seems out of place here since you arent playing many large power power creatures. I think I would cut her because on average she won't make more than 3 mana (so 2 because you pay G for the ability) and you'll be handing most of the card draw to opponents. Similarly Hunter's Insight, Life's Legacy, Garruk Primal Hunter face the same problems. These cards feel terrible when they draw you 2-3 cards. Instead I suggest drawing cards or creature casts like Guardian Project, Zendikar Resurgent, Lifecrafter's Bestiary, etc.
If you like storming off with creatures maybe consider Tangleroot. Sure it helps opponents but it makes elf decks vomit their hands and with a creature draw engine on board it might as well be a Primal Surge.
Your deck currently has 1 piece of grave recursion which would make a lot of black mana lovers sad. Some good options are Patriarch's Bidding, Rise of the Dark Realms, Finale of Eternity, & Oversold Cemetery.
Your deck also has a very few ways to disrupt opponents which can be problematic. Reclamation Sage, Attrition, gravepact, Toxic Deluge, Decree of Pain, Viridian Corrupter, and Viridian Zealot are good options to consider.
You seem to have abundant ways to produce mana but not a lot of ways to use it. I suggest the classic Staff of Domination as a combo piece and maybe some X spells like Torment of Hailfire. Other mana sinks like Temur Sabertooth can help you dig with draw engines while abusing EtBs.
4 months ago
king-saproling Tank you for your suggestions! I really like Oversold Cemetery, Mirror Mockery for their low mana cost and high synergy with the deck, Illusionist's Stratagem is also very useful, the other ones I don't know if are good enough to replace my actual choices in the deck. Your help is much apreciatted ^^
5 months ago
The amount of utility cards that facilitates for a large-creature/stompy deck (like giant tribal) is completely unparalleled and unrivaled. There are things--both budget and expensive--like Garruk's Uprising, Soul's Majesty, Hunter's Insight, Snake Umbra, Triumph of Ferocity, Lead the Stampede, Garruk, Primal Hunter, Return of the Wildspeaker, Abundance, Rhythm of the Wild, Selvala's Stampede, Shamanic Revelation, Elemental Bond, Colossal Majesty, Guardian Project, Rancor, Primal Rage, Heroic Intervention, Wrap in Vigor, Golgari Charm, Lifecrafter's Bestiary, Canopy Cover, Aspect of Mongoose, Alpha Authority, Asceticism, Defense of the Heart, Lignify, Lurking Predators, Bow of Nylea, The Great Henge, Eerie Ultimatum, Reap, Creeping Renaissance, Seasons Past, Reap the Past, Genesis Ultimatum, Beastmaster Ascension, Overwhelming Stampede...
The list is huge, and it grows every year.
This is on top of the superior ramping ability of Green and it's above-average removal options. One big advantage of Green's land-based ramp is things like Planar Cleansing, Hour of Revelation, Play of the Game, Bane of Progress, Creeping Corrosion, and Merciless Eviction can't send you back to the stone age by destroying all your mana rocks.
Everything you will want to be doing with Giant Tribal, Green supports and supports well. I cannot stress this enough. Not to mention the good green giants that keep getting printed.
Black doesn't provide too much in the way of utility specific to giant tribal or stompy decks other than recursion and good card draw like Greed, Phyrexian Arena, and Erebos, God of the Dead. Personally I like cards like Damnable Pact, Read the Bones, Ancient Craving and Ambition's Cost but if you're running Green and/or Blue you shouldn't need to lose life to draw cards. Painful Truths might still be useful due to it's great rate (three cards for three mana is good). Syphon Mind is a great rate and has the upside of making your opponents discard.
Obviously Black specializes in removal (but so does White!) so you could run things like Mortify, Despark, Utter End, Vindicate, Anguished Unmaking, Dreadbore, Terminate, Bedevil and Ruinous Ultimatum. In Garruk's Wake and Decree of Pain are probably good in your giant deck since you're ramping so hard. Since you're running White you shouldn't need Black's wraths, but those two stood out.
Things like Phyrexian Reclamation, Animate Dead, and Reanimate are great for creature decks. Palace Siege is all right on a budget. So is Twilight's Call. It's no Oversold Cemetery or Meren of Clan Nel Toth or Rise of the Dark Realms but those are pricey. Recovering from boardwipes will be important.
Blue has some interesting removal options like Curse of the Swine, Pongify, Rapid Hybridization, and Reality Shift. You have some Cyclonic Rifts in your trade binder, right? That alone is a great reason to run Blue in your deck (it's literally one of the best cards in EDH straight-up). Do it!
Blue also has all the card-draw--from per-turn stuff like Kumena's Awakening and Mind Unbound; chunks of cards like Concentrate, Treasure Cruise, Fact or Fiction, Fathom Trawl, and Tidings; huge hand-refillers like Overflowing Insight, Mind Spring, Stroke of Genius, and Pull from Tomorrow; and some sneaky stuff like Windfall, Keep Watch, Drawn from Dreams, Verity Circle, and Insight. Green has some amazing card-draw already but it wouldn't be a terrible idea to supplement it with Blue cards. Rush of Knowledge would be REALLY good in a giant-tribal deck--especially with Morophon, the Boundless at the helm.
Counterspells are very much not Giant/Stompy but I have a few aggro decks that run a silver-bullet copy of Negate or Swan Song just as anti-boardwipe tech. Not necessary though. Boros Charm, Golgari Charm, and Wrap in Vigor work well in that capacity. There are lots of 3-cmc options too but the mana difference between 2 and 3 is huge.
Temur Ascendancy would be reason alone to run five colors and be utterly fantastic in this deck.
Garruk's Uprising alone is reason to run at least Green.
Merciless Eviction is one of the best removal spells in the game. Four or five colors would allow you to run that.
You get the idea.
As you can see, there is a myriad of reasons to run more colors. Honestly, I really can't recommend it enough if true Giant-Tribal is the goal--whether Naya giants or five-color giants.
One extremely important thing for large-creature decks is to consider how you're going to recover from board wipes. Superior card-draw from Green, Black, and Blue cards will help immensely. Card advantage like Phyrexian Reclamation, Palace Siege, Seasons Past, All Suns' Dawn, Reap the Past, Reap, Creeping Renaissance, Eerie Ultimatum, and abilities like Mayael the Anima's, Golos, Tireless Pilgrim's, and Kenrith, the Returned King's reanimate ability will help you recover. These are things that Red and White simply can't do well. Sure there's Resurrection and Reya Dawnbringer, but they aren't great.
Brion Stoutarm is a legitimately good general--he really is!--but not for giant tribal. He brings nothing to the table for giant tribal other than being a decently-statted Giant himself and pigeonholes you into the worst color pair in EDH for essentially no benefit. As I mentioned, Iroas, God of Victory and, to a lesser extent, Kalemne, Disciple of Iroas would make better commanders if you are dead-set on Boros colors (which I do not recommend if you want to play maximum giants). If you were building around Brion's ability and had some giants around as support that would be one thing, but it seems that's not the goal. As such, please consider switching commanders :) I think that if you want Brion Stoutarm as the commander, you should make a Brion deck.
I really do think you'll be happier in the long run with a different commander It doesn't have to be expensive. Most of what you would need I can trade to you, including Morophon, the Boundless, and most supplemental cards I don't have are in the 25-cent to $1 range (Realm-Cloaked Giant, Mayael the Anima, etc). I actually have a shitload of this utility stuff on-hand, and you have some great staples like Cyclonic Rift on-hand--and probably more! I want you to be satisfied with your deck! It doesn't have to be competitive to be fun, but it doesn't have to be expensive to work better and smoother and be more competitive.
5 months ago
The single best piece of removal to find it's way into lists in the coming months is Path to Exile as this deals with the offending threat pretty permanently. It also combos very nicely with OP Agent itself to net a land to ensure a land drop when you miss a land draw to keep up the pace of tempo. Path is going to be the single most added card to deck lists in the next 6 months for these reasons. Pongify and Rapid Hybridization are the next two most effective removal pieces that will see additions to lists. Eliminate (and maybe Smother/Fatal Push) will be run in the 2 cmc removal slots more so than any card similar to Go for the Throat because it's restriction is usually slightly less problematic plus it can hit some of the very important complementary pieces (Narset, Ashiok, Maralen, Mindcensor, etc). Both Dark Betrayal and Human Frailty are fringe option considerations and while Snuff Out is no good but Deadly Rollick should be excellent for some deck archetypes (such as Yuriko).
The problem with most removal spells is that they tend to "destroy" the Agent and this doesn't really solve the problem. In my Maralen deck, for example, I'm already running Reanimate, Dance of the Dead, Necromancy, Animate Dead and have at times included for testing Unearth, Oversold Cemetery, plus a few other recursive elements. Just destroying the Agent is not a good way to deal with it, it's just going to come back (Noxious Revival, Regrowth, etc). You need to exile it. Swords and Path are the best bets, Winds of Abandon isn't terrible but it's also not instant speed. But the point here is that you want to exile the dude or find some sort of more permanent solution to the problem a la Gilded Drake/Oko than just spending some spot removal on a card that's going to make a return from the yard (Underworld Breach just to replay an Agent is a totally valid line to take in competitive settings, you'll just steal some one else's Breach to combo off). Can't stress this enough, you'll want to exile the Agent, not destroy it.
6 months ago
Are you sure you need 50 creatures? This seems a little overkill ^^ Having a bunch of vampires isn't going to make it if they don't have a big impact, especially late game. With your current list it seems pretty likely to have all creatures and no way to support them. I also always like to have some ways to interact with other decks on the table. Though, there are not many budget options that come to my mind.
You can also check out my list here if you want, but it's not quite budget :D I'm still tweaking it but the rough idea stands.
6 months ago
The check for four or more creature cards is performed on resolution as well as at the beginning of upkeep. So the trigger may not do anything if there are not enough creatures any longer.
(From Gatherer entry for the card)
Oversold Cemetery has an intervening If clause. It will check at both the beginning of the phase and the resolution of the ability to see if the condition is true. So, you will get two triggers at the beginning of your upkeep, but be able to resolve only one of them.
6 months ago
I have 2 Oversold Cemeterys in play and 4 creature cards in my graveyard at the beginning of my upkeep. How many graveyard creatures may I take back to my hand?
7 months ago
You don't have a ton of card-draw, and I also recommend at least eight pieces for almost any deck. Graveyard recursion, especially the good ones, definitely count as card advantage in my book, so Phyrexian Reclamation is great here, as is Whisper.
Grim Haruspex and Disciple of Bolas are on-theme. Thorn of the Black Rose and Custodi Lich are fun creature-based choices too. Some other classic choices are Ambition's Cost, Ancient Craving, Promise of Power, Liliana's Contract, Syphon Mind, Castle Locthwain, and Read the Bones. Palace Siege is okay, especially if you feel you need more recursion. Diabolic Servitude is nice and repeatable. Victimize and Blood for Bones are a great rate. Oversold Cemetery is nice too, though pricey.
Greed, Arguel's Blood Fast Flip, Skullclamp and Erebos, God of the Dead are really good but not cheap. Erebos, Bleak-Hearted, Yawgmoth, Thran Physician, and God-Eternal Bontu would be decent as well. Bonus points for some being threats/blockers.
Gonti, Lord of Luxury is an interesting choice for card advantage--especially if you can recur him out of the graveyard over and over.
Dreadhorde Invasion is a great source of sacrifice fodder. So are Grave Titan and Bitterblossom but they're expensive. High Market is good in case your commander get's Arrested or turned into an elk or frog or the moon. Rogue's Passage could help end games once Yahenni is huge.
If you find you can't close out games between all the groupslug aristocrat cards and Yahenni's damage, perhaps a few auxiliary groupslug cards could tip games in your favor. Most of the good ones are very expensive though. Bloodchief Ascension, Painful Quandary, Polluted Bonds, Wound Reflection, and Palace Siege et al. Torment of Hailfire and Exsanguinate are classic finishers too.
As far as cuts go... I don't love some of the creature-based removal. I know it's good because you can sacrifice them later but perhaps Morkrut Banshee, Skinrender, and Anowon the Ruin Sage could be cut. I don't love Devour in Shadow and Drag to the Underworld. You should be set on removal even with those five cuts. Feed the Swarm is worth noting! Mortician Beetle is a bit win-more but is uniquely suited to the deck and worth keeping for now. Probably makes a good blocker. Geralf's Messenger is a bit weaker than some of the token generators and recurring threats too.
Also, I don't know if you care (few do) but if you want an accurate price calculation for your deck you should put the cards in the Sideboard into the Maybeboard so they aren't added.