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Bala Ged Recovery
Return target card from your graveyard to your hand.
6 hours ago
Lotta comments to catch up on here!
Lots of good ideas and food for thought here, thanks all.
2 months ago
It is nice to see you making changes in a good direction with the deck!
Regarding your land; I would suggest spreading out your basics. You have a lot of plains but only a singleton or so in the other colors. Even it out as best you can since you are playing a 5 color deck. If anything, I would go higher on forests than any other basic because your mana slivers are green and your spells to get more land are green.
About the cards you added to the deck; I would drop Dormant Sliver, Metallic Sliver and The Locust God and add in Brood Sliver, Toxin Sliver, and Kindred Summons. Dormant Sliver is a trap. The card draw sounds awesome but when you play it you take away the one thing that slivers do best, Attack! You should never be on the defensive with a tuned sliver deck. Your opponents need to be. Metallic Sliver is a contradiction of Sliver Tribal. It is a vanilla sliver that adds no new ability to the tribe. It should never be in any Sliver deck. About the The Locust God. I understand how good this card is, but this is a Sliver deck and not a token Izzet deck. Save that for a different deck. Drop it for Galerider Sliver, Diffusion Sliver, or Venom Sliver. Seriously speaking, giving Slivers flying or death touch will just win games and you won't miss The Locust God.
About making more room in the deck; You have a lot of spells for a tribal creature deck and there is a little room to shave. I would suggest removing Aphetto Dredging, Bala Ged Recovery Flip, and Chain Reaction. Aphetto Dredging just does not do enough in this deck. To begin with, you need to have played and lost three Slivers to see its total benefit. So if you arent losing Slivers or did not play any good ones, this card is dead in your hand in many games. I would try to get a copy of Haunting Voyage instead. Casting this can flip a game in your favor. It is the same with Bala Ged Recovery Flip. No one Sliver is important enough to get back by itself so unless a card gets them all back or puts them into play then it is just sub-par. You already have a bunch of removal, maybe even too much so I would cut Chain Reaction. It is not one-sided and does not have any extra benefit. Replace all three of these with more slivers. Especially from the list I already suggested.
You need to focus on what the deck is. It's all about Slivers. Any card in your deck that is not a Sliver should already have it's value questioned by you. So it has to do something great to win games or help you win games to stay in the deck. Anything else can be cut for more Slivers.
Most of your other cards are good support, removal or counters. I think you could still shave a few more cards but I would wait to see after you make adjustments and play the deck for a while before cutting anything else. Once you have more Slivers in the deck and in play during games you should see a big change in it's performance.
2 months ago
I can't speak to the competitive side of things as I am far from a competitive player. I do see your package has a lot going for it but in the cards you've presented I just don't think they would ban any of them. Even if they do ban one it seems like most are easily replaced. So the ban has to fall on one of the linchpin cards, obviously I suppose lol.
The package as presented Bala Ged Recovery Flip, Life from the Loam, Summer Bloom, Azusa, Lost but Seeking, Dryad of the Ilysian Grove, Lotus Cobra, Tireless Provisioner, Gaea's Cradle, Boseiju, Who Endures, Strip Mine, Cloudstone Curio, Crucible of Worlds. Suggested additions to it Green Sun's Zenith, Dryad Arbor, at least 5 mana dorks, Utopia Sprawl, and Wild Growth.
Of these Strip Mine, Crucible of Worlds, Azusa Lost but Seeking, and Gaea's Cradle stand out to my casual eye but consider the committee has said they don't want to ban things for cEDH in the past. Since the formation of their advisory group they've relented a little on their stance on cEDH but still... I wouldn't really expect them to ban any of this. Their usual reasoning boils down to "unfun" to play against or absurd value from a single card. The most absurd card here, again to my casual eyes, is Cradle. Which has always been an absurd card and the only card which has a similar example already on the ban list.
Not going to say it is impossible for something here to get axed though or that, if the package is as effective as proposed, something doesn't need to be axed. It'd just likely have to directly impact a large number of casual players too.
2 months ago
At least, that is what some of my preliminary data is suggesting. There is a particular 15ish card package that fits into any deck with green that covers a deck's ramp needs, control needs, and combo win needs while also having synergy with each of the independent components leading to some unbelievably robust and powerful play patterns. Right now, in a limited sample size mind you, this package is winning better than 40% of it's games.
There aren't many instances of this occurring in our group's data set. In fact, there are 3.
Paradox Engine. Before this card got banned we were seeing a vacuum win rate potential for this card of 40%+, which was absurd. We assumed it would get banned, about 6 months later, it was.
Hullbreacher and Opposition Agent. When these cards were spoiled our group knew immediately they would eventually be banned, they are that fundamentally broken in cEDH settings. Sure enough, this 2 card package instantly began posting vacuum win rate potentials of 40%+ (over 50%+ before we learned play patterns to cope with how abusive the play pattern of this package was). Hullbreacher got banned, Oppo Agent is awaiting it's inevitable ban hammer.
The Inception Package. This was a concept focused around using Extract and targeted discard to neuter fast glass cannon combo archetypes back in the hey day of the Flash Hulk meta. The concept dominated the meta completely and utterly 4 and 5 years ago and posted vacuum win rate potentials of 40%+ because the cEDH community had yet to realize that running 10+ critical cards devoted to a single combo line of play was very ineffective in the face of any exile effects hitting those critical combo pieces and turning the remaining 9+ cards into dead card slots for the remainder of the game. Over time, as more new cards were printed, the resilience of the metascape improved and the printing of Veil of Summer largely brought the Inception package back to parity within the metascape. Post Flash banning the concept became a less enticing option. Lucky break, no bans needed.
Which brings us to the current issue. The Summer Bloom package that has been powered up as of late with new card printings. It's too soon to tell if this package is problematic enough to require a ban, but it's possible that Summer Bloom should simply get the axe at some point, it is a degenerate combo card after all. The crux of the issue is that the play pattern enabled by this package covers every requirement of a competitive deck within these 15ish cards. Accelerated board development, covered. Combo win line, covered. Card advantage, covered. Consistent deployment of primary game plans by turn 3, covered. Ability to interact with and control opposing board states, covered. Now, it's not too much to ask for all these things from a set of 15 cards in competitive settings, but usually these 15 cards won't all work together to enhance each other's effectiveness and make those 15 cards feel more like 30 cards worth of value in game. This could be a real problem in due time, particularly since the package can be used in any deck with green as a color at the moment, which means the package can be ported into a wide variety of shells.
The package in question: Bala Ged Recovery Flip, Life from the Loam, Summer Bloom, Azusa, Lost but Seeking, Dryad of the Ilysian Grove, Lotus Cobra, Tireless Provisioner, Gaea's Cradle, Boseiju, Who Endures, Strip Mine, Cloudstone Curio, Crucible of Worlds. Personally, I recommend a supplement to the package of Green Sun's Zenith, Dryad Arbor, and at least 5 mana dorks. Utopia Sprawl and Wild Growth can also be used to supplement the ramp efforts, but aren't critical to the concept and are, in fact, vulnerable to opponents who employ the concept themselves.
Why is this package a potential problem and why is it posting win rates over 40% at the moment in testing? Well, it largely boils down to some fundamental principles of cEDH. Those principles? Playing more cards than opponents is good and improves the odds of winning, seeing more cards from your deck than opponents is good an improves the odds of winning, and using fewer cards than opponents to achieve a desired result is good and improves the odds of winning. Conversely, opponents that see fewer cards, play fewer cards, and who use more cards to achieve desired goals also improve your odds of beating those opponents. This particular package hits along each of these axes, it plays a lot more cards because it keeps reusing the same cards over and over again, it sees a lot more cards because it's constantly thinning it's deck as part of this play pattern reusing lands in particular, and it gets to save space because the core components every competitive deck needs are included already in just these 15ish cards meaning it needs to use less card slots to achieve more things, and the gameplans are consistently able to be deployed and put into place in the early turns of a game. Simultaneously the play patterns of this package are an extreme hinderance to opponents because their board states have a very tough time developing into useful configurations when their lands, artifacts, and enchantments keep getting wiped every turn cycle.
Again, it's very early in this, and I would hesitate to say it's Boseiju that's putting this package over the top right now, but something about this set up is very clearly problematic for the health of the format. I'd abuse this set up while you have a chance, the cEDH community is incredibly slow to adapt to new trends so there's a good chance this package will be abusable for a couple extra free wins per 100 games played for about a year or so. At some point I kind of expect some portion of this package to get the ban hammer, but I don't expect it soon. It took them almost a year for Hullbreacher and Golos after all, and I thought those were cards that ought to be preemptively banned from the format the day they each got spoiled.
3 months ago
Grubbernaut You can find it in a number of my lists. Sisay, Durdle Captain and Sky Pirate Has one of the sillier descriptions for how the bare bones most basic version of the essential combo works in the "Digging for Treasure" --> "Operating the Treasure Chest" section of the primer.
There are many more convoluted methods to perform the same feat depending on exactly what tools a pilot has in place. The hot new spice from a little bit back was the addition of Bala Ged Recovery Flip to the combo, which allows a lot more colors to perform the same general loop effectively and bypasses some of the need for Horizon lands (sac, draw) and certinaly Mystic Sanctuary. The core of the concept is that Summer Bloom is a spell that produces 6 mana of any color. That's not quite accurate, but, if land drops can be assumed to be infinite, then as long as recouping the Summer Bloom to hand only costs you 3 mana you can produce a profit of 1 mana of any color each iteration of the loop. Getting to infinite lands for land drops is the trickier part, and this is where most of the different methods diverge.
3 months ago
Hey, Croaking Counterpart is a good way to get Frogs because it can copy an opponent's creature including a Commander. Any card recursion is a specialty in green: Eternal Witness, Regrowth, Bala Ged Recovery Flip, etc. This kind of recursion with Counterpart seems like a good way to get Frogs who can give you some value.
Changelings are Frogs. Bloodline Pretender looks like a Frog, cares about +1/+1 counters and grows whenever Keimi is created. Changeling Outcast is a one drop Frog who's unblockable. Moritte of the Frost can copy a creature you control making it a Frog + adding counters.
For the +1/+1 counters strategy consider more repeatable sources of counters: Oath of the Ancient Wood, Hadana's Climb Flip, Forgotten Ancient? Winged Temple of Orazca can be a win condition effect with Tatsunari.
Because playing enchantresses and other effects that care about enchantments for ramp most mana rocks and land ramp would be better as land auras: Wild Growth, Utopia Sprawl, Fertile Ground, Overgrowth, Weirding Wood, Wolfwillow Haven. Some mana rock exceptions are Sol and Arcane Signet.
Good luck with your deck.
4 months ago
Hi, Cool deck!
I am not sure about Staff of Nin, Mind's Eye and Warmonger's Chariot. For the staff a simple Harmonize can be better. I would put an MDFC e.g. Ondu Inversion Flip instead Warmonger's Chariot It doubles as a board wipe and a land.
5 months ago
With how much ramp you currently have, definitely drop a few lands. Some of the new MDFC could also be an option, things like Bala Ged Recovery Flip let you get a land if needed, or that one card you really like back to your hand. Things that make tokens, such as Avenger of Zendikar and Fable of Wolf and Owl help crank up the experience counters rather quickly. Because the counters go on one creature each combat, you could consider Blade of Selves, as sticking that on something unblockable can win you the game rather quickly, especially if its on something like Blighted Agent.
In a piece of shameless self-promotion, I've linked my own Ezuri deck below. I've been playing it for a while and its one of my favorites, so you can take a look through and see if there's anything you think would fit for your deck vs me just listing it out.
It looks like a good start so far, hopefully some of this helps.