Preordain

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Format Legality
Tiny Leaders Legal
Noble Legal
Leviathan Legal
Custom Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Casual Legal
Pauper EDH Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Unformat Legal
Pauper Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Commander 2015 (C15) Common
Duel Decks: Venser vs. Koth (DDI) Common
2011 Core Set (M11) Common

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Preordain

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Preordain Discussion

SideBae on Sen Triplets

19 hours ago

This is marked 'Help.' Below is my attempt at doing so:

First off, if you aren't averse to it on flavor grounds, I suggest the off-color fetches like Windswept Heath and Scalding Tarn . These could replace Temple of Silence and other ETB tapped lands, fetching your duals and shocks. These also allow for more shuffle effects off cards like Brainstorm .

If your meta is like mine, Sen Triplets will draw a lot of hate. Wearing down enemy resources can be useful. Pox is one of the most brutal EDH cards, but its younger brother Smallpox is sometimes better. It's good as a compliment to Liliana of the Veil , and fits within the control theme. Adding Waste Not to the mix, along with effects like Words of Waste , may be fun. I realize that this lowers the number of cards you have access to in your opponents' hands, but it is still a very powerful effect.

Preordain is a good cantrip with Brainstorm and Ponder .

You may have more luck with Cataclysm than Scourglass . It also wipes planeswalkers, but for less mana. Additionally, being able to access opponents' hands means you can rebuild faster than your opponents.

Remand seems like a good card in your deck, seeing as you can return a spell you want to cast, then target the opponent you countered and cast the spell yourself. Similarly, bouncing a juicy permanent during the end step before your turn means you can play it on yours. Winds of Rebuke and Snap might merit an include.

If you want to be a REAL douche, you can stick in Stasis in conjunction with Smothering Tithe . That's a BRUTAL combo.

Notion Thief is typically a good idea in a control deck that includes Dimir colors. Using him means Arcane Denial becomes straight busted, and running it with cards like Windfall and Time Spiral can simply shut people out of the game.

Telepathy can give you information on who you want to target with your general's ability.

Have you considered running Karn, the Great Creator in conjunction with the Mycosynth Lattice ?

I'm not sure what your meta is like, but mine includes things like Gaddock Teeg . I suggest running Toxic Deluge to get around this sort of effect. Another meta call is Mental Misstep , which I've also had luck with.

I like your Mystic Remora and Rhystic Study . I suggest things like Jace, the Mind Sculptor or Painful Truths .

I apologize if my suggestions are less than ideal; I've never had much success with this general. But that's what comes to mind. Good luck.

MTGplayer00 on Pauper Grind

1 day ago

I think this is a really original concept for a Pauper resource denial deck. The inclusion of Fade Away I especially like with this kind of setup. That being said, I think there are a few basic things you can do, a few bigger things you can do, and some sideboard shenanigans you can get into to make this deck truly primo.

First, there are a few basic card subs I would make. First off, you can straight up cut Street Wraith for Gitaxian Probe , it just fits better in this deck and does the same thing but strictly better. The other main cards I would sub would be to add in Daze for Force Spike . I was skeptical of Daze 's power over Force Spike at first, but I was converted very soon.

That's it for basic changes, but here are some important structural changes. Firstly, the main problem I see here is keeping your hand full and repeatedly denying resources. I have no idea how competitive your local meta is, but all I can say is that higher-level Pauper is 100% Legacy-Lite, meaning it plays a lot like Legacy. This means lands don't matter that much to the average deck. Many decks are perfectly fine with you keeping them at 3 lands, so the trick is going to be denying multiple lands per turn rather than just playing 1 or 2 bounce spells at best.

So how do we get repeatable effects? Well Capsize is pretty good but also pretty expensive. One way we can do this is to play Snow-Covered Island s and Rimewind Taskmage . You can also add in the artifact lands (and maybe Tumble Magnet ?) to use Vedalken Certarch .

These are really the only halfway decent repeatable land denial cards in this format. Thus card draw is going to be key to drawing some of the one-time denial spells. Without the Pauper fetches (because this is a mono color deck) Preordain is probably your best bet. On top of this, you may want to run Gush to keep your hand full. Trading cards for lands that can just be replayed is not a very sustainable model in the long term, so these powerful draw spells can help you get there.

Finally, as far as finishers go you can run AEthersnipe as just a big boy that gets a blocker out of the way or Stormbound Geist as a flyer that's hard to put down. Canal Courier is also a big body that will net you a bunch of card draw, which will be useful to grind out your opponents.

Finally, in the sideboard, I would run Hydroblast to destroy red decks, Aura Flux to destroy Bogles, and maybe some Foil s to protect your cards from tricky tempo and control decks.

Anyway, I really like this deck, keep working at it!

SideBae on Teenage Mutant Ninja Owls

1 day ago

Cover of Darkness is a good tribal evasion-giver.

I highly suggest some sort of top-deck manipulation. Unfortunately, a lot of the best cards in this arena are very expensive: Jace, the Mind Sculptor , Sensei's Divining Top and Scroll Rack all cost a pretty penny. Soothsaying is another good option, as it lets you stack heavy CMC cards on top of the deck to hit opponents more reliably.

I don't think 3-drop mana rocks are very good. I suggest Coldsteel Heart instead of Commander's Sphere .

You should consider the new ninja they spoiled today: Fallen Shinobi. I think it'll be pretty good.

I think Demonic Tutor is better than Insidious Dreams . I think you should run it if you have access to it. Lim-Dul's Vault is a good sort of tutor, is more affordable, and also allows you to stack your deck with high mana-cost cards to flip off your general.

Commandeer is a good piece of disruption with a high CMC. It's still about $20 though.

Counterspell is superior to Familiar's Ruse . Also, Mana Drain is superior to Counterspell , although that card is very difficult to get ahold of.

Windfall is a good way to refill your hand.

If your meta runs a lot of mass draw effects, Notion Thief is a good inclusion. Similarly, Ashiok, Dream Render is a good card.

Preordain is similar to Ponder and Preordain . I suggest it for the same reason the other two are good.

Bolas's Citadel is a good way to get cheaper cards off the top of your deck. Also, if you combo it with the aforementioned Sensei's Divining Top , you can clear annoying lands off the top of your library.

I don't think you should run 36 lands. Cutting 2 or 3 is very much on the table.

I see you're running extra turn cards. You should consider Time Stretch and Nexus of Fate .

Board wipes are always important in EDH. Toxic Deluge , Damnation and Cyclonic Rift are all REALLY good.

Augury Owl should be mainboard. You can play it, scry something big to the top, attack with it the next turn and then ninjutsu out your general to flip the fatty.

Repeal is a good way to return some ninjas to your hand for protection, and doubles as removal. It's also a cantrip. I also suggest Chain of Vapor as a one-mana bouncer.

Night's Whisper and Chart a Course are good two-mana draw-twos.

Jace, Wielder of Mysteries / Laboratory Maniac with Tainted Pact / Demonic Consultation is a good combo you can run as an alternate win condition.

I think there're probably better one-mana counter spells than Abjure . Dispel , Spell Pierce and Turn Aside are all good cards.

Baleful Strix is a good creature you can return with a ninja. When it enters it draws a card, so being able to repeatedly cast it will give you a lot of card advantage. Looter il-Kor and Cloud of Faeries are also good two-drops to be running, as they are difficult to block and provide extra value.

Twilight Prophet is a good card, as it draws extra and works within your decks theme.

Curtains' Call is a good, cost-reducing creature that can two-for-one your opponents.

Morphic Pool is a good dual land.

Good luck with deck building!

SideBae on Kira

2 days ago

You seem to be running two copies of Voltaic Key ... I don't think that's allowed in EDH.

If you're playing Mono-Blue good stuff, I highly suggest Mystic Remora as a source of early card advantage.

I also suggest running Counterbalance in conjunction with Sensei's Divining Top and Jace, the Mind Sculptor .

Preordain is good in conjunction with Ponder .

Windfall is good, like your Timetwister with Narset, Parter of Veils .

Clever Impersonator , Stunt Double and Phyrexian Metamorph are better than Clone . You should consider them.

If you've got the budget for Timetwister , Invoke Prejudice is pretty stupid good.

I think Cyclonic Rift is better than Nevinyrral's Disk .

Deserted Temple has REALLY good interactions with Thawing Glaciers . You should consider running it. Also, I think a basic Island is better than Halimar Depths .

In mono-blue, you might want to consider Back to Basics .

If you're running Academy Ruins , I suggest Mindslaver . It's a... good combo.

I think Blast Zone is better than Powder Keg .

I don't think you should run Bonehoard , because your general counters the first equip activation.

If you want to run Ancestral Vision , I suggest As Foretold . As Foretold also has the added benefit of being able to cast a counter spell for free on each opponent's turn.

It depends on how much you feel you need to hold up counter magic, but I think Stroke of Genius is better than Mind Spring , if only because you can cast it on an opponent's end step.

Strip Mine is useful as a 1-of effect to take out The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale or other obnoxious lands. I don't think you need the Wasteland as well; you may have more luck with just a basic Island , especially if you choose to run Back to Basics .

Mana Maze is good in mono-blue decks, as is Sapphire Medallion .

Consecrated Sphinx is good as a value blue card. The card advantage is just nuts.

Dig Through Time and Treasure Cruise are great for late-game card draw.

Good luck with deck building!

SideBae on Derevi Fat Stax

2 days ago

Right off the bat, you should strongly consider Smothering Tithe to run alongside your Stasis . Each turn cycle, all three of your opponents have to pay to cut you off one blue, meaning Stasis is very likely to stay put.

Second, instead of running Bident of Thassa , you should consider running a Green Sun's Zenith to fetch your Edric, Spymaster of Trest . This gives you the redundancy that two of the 'hit OP draw' effect while allowing you to fetch other things with GSZ, including a Dryad Arbor turn 1, if you choose to run that, or Reclamation Sage to take out a pesky artifact/enchantment.

Similarly, I always feel weird running signets or Commander's Sphere in a green deck. If you have access to green, you have access to dorks (which are way better than signets). Avacyn's Pilgrim , Fyndhorn Elves , Birds of Paradise and Noble Hierarch are all REALLY powerful. Priest of Titania and Bloom Tender are both two-drops that make enough mana to be busted as well. Similarly, I don't think Solemn Simulacrum is ideal in this deck. If you cut the artifact ramp for dork ramp, you can run Kataki, War's Wage or Energy Flux to great effect. Also, Stony Silence becomes just... real good.

Suppression Field is also an excellent card. You aren't running fetches, which is fine, but decks that DO run fetches despise Suppression Field -- AND it hoses 'walkers, which you run 0 of.

Playing lock pieces, you're going to draw a lot of counter magic. I advise Dispel as an efficient piece of counter-counter magic, as well as Flusterstorm if possible. In the vein of counter magic, I don't think Hinder is very good. If you're afraid of an opponent just getting value out of the spell in the graveyard, Void Shatter ensures that your opponent doesn't just tutor it back later.

I think Supreme Verdict is better than Wrath of God , if only because it dodges counter magic. You probably don't want to run two wrath effects (because you're a go-wide creature deck), so I advise just replacing wrath with the verdict.

Tutor-wise, Mystical Tutor and Enlightened Tutor would be great for this deck. Mystical can get any instant or sorcery you need, be it wrath or ramp, while enlightened can find you lock pieces fast. I highly suggest them both.

Brainstorm , Ponder and Preordain are all excellent cards that make a borderline hand into a good hand. I think all blue decks should run these Xerox pieces, as they find lands and/or important spells at a very low cost.

Depending on how prevalent blue is in your meta, consider Carpet of Flowers . It is a REALLY good card.

I'd replace Cultivate and Kodama's Reach with Nature's Lore and Farseek , and Explosive Vegetation with Skyshroud Claim . The suggested cards to not require the 'Basic' supertype, meaning they can grab your duals without a problem. Also, Nature's Lore and Skyshroud Claim allow for your lands to enter untapped, reducing their net mana cost.

I advise running Utopia Sprawl and Wild Growth . With Derevi triggers targeting the enchanted land, these produce extra mana. Also, if you run Arbor Elf , they make it tap for extra mana as well. Notably, the sprawl can only target a forest. This isn't really a problem, as I think you should try to make your land base lean green anyways. Early in a game, you want to ramp first, which requires green and then enables you to find your other colors.

Grasp of Fate is probably better than Return to Dust . It has a wider range of targets, and tends to hit more permanents for less mana.

I think people tend to underestimate the power of soft-counters in EDH games. In the late game, when players have ramped their entire decks out, they do tend to be somewhat useless. However, early interaction is invaluable. I recommend at least trying Spell Pierce in a few games, as this can counter an early Sol Ring and make all the difference.

Speaking of odd EDH counterspells, Mental Misstep is another tremendously undervalued card. If your meta is fast, it can be a complete game changer; if your meta is slow, it is indeed useless. That's a meta call, but I put it out there because I've had great success with it.

Mystic Remora is a good way to draw cards if it comes down turn 2 or 3. You should consider running it.

I would suggest running Sower of Temptation over Keiga, the Tide Star . It is vulnerable to removal, but gaining control of a creature and impacting the board right away is worth it, at least in my opinion. Similarly, if you want to lay down some real cash, Gilded Drake is a good option.

You should at least consider running Thalia, Guardian of Thraben . With dorks and the untap abilities from your general, you're likely to have more mana than your opponents, making her ability more and more one-sided.

I think Reflecting Pool is probably better than Meteor Crater . You might also consider running City of Brass and Mana Confluence , as I've had good success with these in 3-color decks. Exotic Orchard and Forbidden Orchard are also considerations for mana fixing.

Mother of Runes is a D&T staple you might want to consider. She's very good for protecting your creatures, although she is a nonbo with the aforementioned Suppression Field .

I feel that Mulldrifter is included because it can be flickered with Roon of the Hidden Realm and Brago, King Eternal . Seeing as the blink effects aren't in the command zone, I think just running Fact or Fiction and/or Dig Through Time would be better, as they are instants and let you leave up counter magic. Treasure Cruise is good too, although this is a sorcery. Chart a Course , Slate of Ancestry and Shamanic Revelation are also good cards for this deck.

You may wish to consider Howling Mine . It will always draw you a card on your draw step, as the untap step comes first. However, if you tap it down with your general's ability, the effect becomes asymmetric.

Good luck with deck building!

SideBae on Vial Smashes Affinity

2 days ago

So my first thought is that you should run a LOT of instants, rather than just 2. Vial smasher can trigger on ANY turn, not just one, so running something like Dig Through Time would be... really good. Generally, you'll want these instants to draw you more cards, so Fact or Fiction and Glimmer of Genius are also fine choices. Cards with alternate casting costs also tend to have high CMCs: for example, Force of Will is a Lava Axe in this deck, as well as a counter spell. While Force may be a pricey card, other cards from the same cycle aren't. Contagion is well under a dollar, and can potentially also 2-for-1 with opposing creatures, while Pyrokinesis is even stronger. Misdirection and Commandeer also come to mind. If you want to get REAL spicy, Mind's Dilation is another good way to cast spell on your opponents' turns, but bear in mind this card tends to be killed pretty fast.

Flash creatures like Torrential Gearhulk also seem like pretty good ideas.

I suggest replacing Vedalken Orrery with Leyline of Anticipation . It's (very) slightly harder to remove an enchantment than an artifact, but more importantly if Leyline is in your opening 7, you avoid having to pay its cost. I can see a world where you play both, though.

I see you're running a few mana rocks, but I advise more. Two mana rocks tend to be far superior to 3 mana rocks, so Dimir Signet and Rakdos Signet are likely better than Thought Vessel or Worn Powerstone . Talisman of Dominance and Talisman of Indulgence also come to mind. Being in green means you have access to a whole host of dorks, like Llanowar Elves , Fyndhorn Elves , Arbor Elf , and Elves of Deep Shadow . These 1-drops may not look like much, but being able to accelerate you into quickly casting your general and then the following high-cost cards is a good thing. Orcish Lumberjack is a personal favorite in any red-green deck. However, if you choose to go via artifact ramp and not dork-ramp, this opens you to using effects like Pyroclasm or Volcanic Fallout to keep opponents' creatures in check. Ancient Tomb tends to be REAL nice for powering out turn-one 2-drop rocks. Depending on how blue-heavy your meta is, Carpet of Flowers can range from good to a straight-up powerhouse. If you take this part of my advice, your curve will drop significantly and you will be able to run 32-ish lands with no real problem.

You'll also probably want a good card-draw package, if you're planning to cast a lot of spells. Azra Oddsmaker is a goldmine if you have an open opponent to attack, and black has access to enchantments like Phyrexian Arena . Night's Whisper and Ambition's Cost are also good, and work well with Kydele.

Delve spells will act sort of like X-cost spells, but be easier to cast late-game and harder early-game. Empty the Pits may be interesting, but you should also consider Logic Knot , Treasure Cruise and Tasigur, the Golden Fang . Tasigur will give you an out later in the game for excess mana, and will allow you a level of recursion. In order to make these cards powerful, you need cards in the graveyard. For that, I recommend Faithless Looting , Jace, Vryn's Prodigy  Flip and Dack Fayden . While these last two are pricier cards, I think looting is the best here of the three, as you can cast it turn one to filter out a hand that may be too heavy in lands or spells. The flashback is also very significant. Jace is a powerful card in that he allows more card filtration on a permanent, and allows you to snap back a spell if you want. Dack Fayden is a boss in EDH, where stealing a Sol Ring is very common. So even if you don't need to filter your draws, stealing a rock should be an option about 98% of the time.

Speaking of card filtration, Ponder , Preordain and Brainstorm are all potent cards in any blue deck. While they may not work particularly well with Vial Smasher, they all work rather well with Kydele while also giving you a cantrip to cast turn 1. A lot of times, these are the cards that make a boarderline-keep hand into a keep hand for me, as they are extremely good at finding lands and/or spells as need be.

With Kydele, cards like Windfall , Wheel of Fortune and Winds of Change all become rituals in addition to their usual effects. Running Notion Thief in conjunction with these 'everyone draws' spells is... good. Similarly, targeting an opponent with Dack Fayden 's +1 while Notion Thief is on the field is a pretty good way to tip the card-advantage scales in your favor.

I like Whip of Erebos . You should consider running some Entomb or Buried Alive effects with it, as that would allow you to get some one-shots in with powerful creatures when hitting an opponent or just when entering the battlefield. Nicol Bolas and Massacre Wurm comes to mind.

Good luck with deck building!

olivebagel on [PRIMER]GOD ETERNAL(turns)KEFNET cEDH

5 days ago

Definitely needs a good chunk of more artifact ramp and the staple blue card draw. I would say at least 10-11 artifacts that tap for mana.

I would look to add Cyclonic Rift , Dig Through Time , Fact or Fiction , Impulse , Ponder , Preordain , Gitaxian Probe , Sensei's Divining Top , Dramatic Reversal , Frantic Search , Rhystic Study , Mystic Remora , High Tide in addition to more artifact ramp of your choosing.

Looks like a good amount of counter magic, but see how it goes. Maybe cut Arcane Denial if you feel its too much.

I would also look to cut Primal Amulet  Flip, I've always felt its too slow. Try it out, but don't be afraid to give it the axe.

Looking at your discard outlets for the Library of Leng synergy I assume, you'll want some more artifact tutors as well.

If you're looking at this deck to be cutthroat and competitive, you should look to Chain Veil teferi and cEdh Fblthp. The staple draw, interaction, stax and tutors they run would also be good here with the addition of your extra turns/top deck combo lines.

Best of luck to you, looks like a cool deck with a lot of potential. Hope that's helpful.

SideBae on Azami's School of Witchcraft and Wizardry

5 days ago

Right off the bat, I think you should run Preordain . The card is very powerful, and I see it in your 'Maybeboard.' Second, I saw you replaced Anticipate with Sensei's Divining Top . This is a good idea, but if you're looking for more cantrip effects, Impulse is a strictly better Anticipate . Furthermore, looking at your deck's curve, you might want to consider running Counterbalance in conjunction with top -- I have had good results with that combo, particularly if running Zendikar and Onslaught fetches to clear the top. Azami's draw ability would do just as well though.

I don't think Halimar Depths is a very good card. Sage of Epityr is a one-drop wizard who does the same thing (slightly better, actually) and doubles as card-advantage later in the game. Siren Stormtamer is another good utility one-drop wizard, as is Sidisi's Faithful . (Note that Sidisi's Faithful can be tapped to draw a card while the exploit trigger is on the stack, and you can still have it exploit itself.) Generally any low-cost wizard that has a relevant ability is a good idea. Furthermore, cards like Intruder Alarm and Paradox Engine are your friend, as they make spells into spells plus draw 4 or 5.

Pairing Azami with Mind Over Matter then becomes an auto-win in conjunction with Jace, Wielder of Mysteries . For the record, Laboratory Maniac is a wizard, but I like your choice of Jace better. I think the Lab Man/Jace combos are likely a better way to win than wizard aggro.

Riptide Laboratory is a good way to protect your general.

Sapphire Medallion , which I see is also in the 'Maybeboard,' is also a good card. Mono-blue has little ramp, so any two-drop ramp is good. Same goes for Sky Diamond , Baral, Chief of Compliance and Coldsteel Heart . With more rocks, things like Aphetto Alchemist also get better (I strongly recommend playing him).

I do not recommend Portent . Half the time I use cantrips, I am using them to find a land or some other card I want to use immediately. The Ice Age slowtrips just don't fulfill that need.

Finally, I am not sure I think Arcane Lighthouse or Detection Tower are very good. It may be a meta-call, but I feel that Azami costing triple-blue means you want to run as few colorless lands as possible.

All the best and good luck! Azami was one of my pet decks when I used to play her.

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Preordain occurrence in decks from the last year

Legacy:

All decks: 1.07%

Commander / EDH:

All decks: 0.11%

Blue: 0.66%

U/R (Izzet): 1.03%

W/U/B (Esper): 0.54%

U/B/R (Grixis): 0.67%