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Grove of the Burnwillows
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Grove of the Burnwillows Discussion
1 month ago
OLucas: I think Rain of Gore could work in a build that runs Exquisite Blood probably? The symmetry is harder to break, but it is definitely doable, and I don't really find myself targetting myself with heals all that much anyway.
Needlebite Trap unfortunately doesn't work, which sucks because if it worked the way we wanted it would be one of the best spells in the deck. I saw it the other day and nearly gasped, and was so excited and went to tell a brewer friend about it, and he reminded me that Remedy broke it... since Tainted Remedy is a replacement effect, they never actually get healed, so there is nothing to trigger the trap. This does however work in builds that focus on lifeloss instead of Tainted Remedy itself, and could be triggered with something as minor as Grove of the Burnwillows .
I only took out Triskaidekaphobia just yesterday in favor of Phenax. It is a very fun wincon, but I think it really needs a playset of Trees, which kind of makes some form of ramp necessary too. In a build with Red that definitely opens up using Simian Spirit Guide , or if Gruul is the base colors then you can do Boreal Druid or Ponza style ramp to get there (something I definitely toyed with).
1 month ago
OLucas: Aria is actually the card that got me back into brewing this deck again! I desperately wanted to get it to work, but I was never able to come up with a shell that I liked. I think a lot of the problem stems from me having such a heavy B/W core.
2 months ago
My friend made a weird version of this deck using Alms Beast . My suggestion (Which is what my friend did) is to use 4 Wall of Shards , 4 Devour Flesh in the main board. The other enchantments in the deck cost too much mana for modern and don't have enough pay off. In addition, you have enough life gain in the deck that you probably only need the 4 Wall of Shards and 4 Alms Beast . Your other creatures are too easy to kill with Fatal Push , Electrolyze , Lightning Bolt etc. Also, you probably want to change your land base to more fetches and only one or two copy of each shock land that works and a single copy of each basic. Finally, Beacon of Immortality makes a player instantly lose and should be included in the deck for a last resort. And you defiantly need draw. You'll run out of cards really fast and also need to dig for Tainted Remedy , so I suggest Harmonize
Overall, here is what I would recommend
3 months ago
Dorks are the main advantage of playing green. Llanowar Elves , Elvish Mystic , Elves of Deep Shadow , Fyndhorn Elves , Orcish Lumberjack , Birds of Paradise and Bloom Tender are all worth at least strongly considering. If your meta is blue-heavy, Carpet of Flowers is a great card.
Running Natural Order with Craterhoof Behemoth is a good win condition if the commander-damage plan doesn't work out -- it's especially good if you spam out the aforementioned dorks. Triumph of the Hordes is a similar green finisher.
Rancor is a good way to give your general trample that also recurs itself if he dies.
A reanimator package with Animate Dead , Necromancy , Dance of the Dead , Reanimate , Buried Alive , Entomb , and targets like Sire Of Insanity or Grave Titan can end the game real fast without your general needing to come down at all.
Card draw/selection is at a premium in EDH. Faithless Looting , Painful Truths , Night's Whisper and Read the Bones are all worth considering. Phyrexian Arena and Twilight Prophet are both really powerful cards. Commune with Lava is another great source of card advantage.
If you craft your mana-base carefully, you could likely run Blood Moon or Magus of the Moon shenanigans. Omen of Fire is GREAT if your meta is control-heavy, and is (for some god-forsaken reason) an instant. Boil and Choke are also good.
Fireshrieker ...? Kinda self-explanatory.
Chromatic Lantern is a card I've always thought is overrated in EDH. Just running a one-drop dork like Birds of Paradise is likely a lot better, mainly because coming down turn one is way better than coming down turn three.
Death's Presence is a card I suspect is not as good as it seems; it strikes me as a 'Win More' type card. It costs a lot to get down, and you're probably better off investing the mana and card in getting your general fatter in the usual fashion. Of course, play testing is fully capable of proving me wrong.
If you put in the dorks I suggested, you likely don't need thirty-four lands. Cutting one or two is probably OK.
Garna, the Bloodflame doesn't seem powerful enough. Another point to watch during playtesting.
3 months ago
I’m really surprised you aren’t running mana dorks; this is what makes green a color worth playing in EDH. Llanowar Elves , Elvish Mystic , Fyndhorn Elves , Avacyn's Pilgrim , Arbor Elf , Orcish Lumberjack and Bloom Tender all ramp harder than artifacts ever can — these should be strongly considered, and likely played. Note that Arbor Elf gets a lot better with Utopia Sprawl or Wild Growth on a forest. I advise removing Coalition Relic and/or Talisman of Conviction to make room.
If you choose to add dorks, thirty-six lands will be too many. I’d cut at least three or as many as five, depending on your preference.
Swords to Plowshares is better than Path to Exile in EDH. Ramping an opponent is very dangerous in a format where people routinely go big, and 5 or so life points don’t typically matter — especially if you aim to kill with commander damage.
It says in your description you find this deck too slow for cEDH. While the current build may be, there’re ways to slow down opponents to the point where you’re winning the long-game. Root Maze , Rule of Law , Stony Silence and Blood Moon are all powerful enchantments to slow down your opponents, though the last one does need a crafted mana base. Since you’re not playing off-color fetches or planeswalkers, Suppression Field is on the table. Gaddock Teeg is infamous among my friends for holding off pretty much every boardwipe, with the important exception of Toxic Deluge . Other hatebears (like Aven Mindcensor or Spirit of the Labyrinth ) should also be considered.
Card draw/filtering in Naya is typically pretty difficult. Faithless Looting is a card you should consider, as it makes a lot of marginal opening hands significantly better. Adding Gamble is typically an improvement for card-selection. However, GSZ+ Argothian Enchantress , which you already have, is a real good draw-engine in this deck.
This seems like a good deck to run Cataclysm . With Uril out and an enchantment on him, it’s likely to seal the game in your favor. Same goes for Armageddon / Ravages of War . Fair warning, though: All three of these cards tend to produce salt, and even if they don’t, they’re hard to play with and need practice using.
Punishing Fire with Grove of the Burnwillows is a synergy I’ve always wanted to pull off in EDH, but I don’t typically play Gruul. I recommend trying it, as it seems that it could be very powerful in the right sort of meta, though also very week in the wrong sort.
Good luck, man. I gotta go, but if you need more help I’ll take another look.
5 months ago
I've been considering swapping out Phyrexia's Core for Buried Ruin or Academy Ruins . I feel like we have plenty of other sack outlets and getting back a key combo piece from the graveyard is more important.
I dropped Mind Stone as I found its value questionable. Mox Opal is better as ramp and enables the possibility of a pre-turn 3 combo but I don't have $500 for them so I filled the slot with the Myr Retriever . After quite a bit of play testing Myr Retriever is a must in this deck (3-4). I dropped one Scrap Trawler . You want to keep one around for the classic combos in this deck.
The London Mull Rule will help us a lot. It might even be better to turn this into a blue deck to protect our combo instead of trying to find the combo with Ancient Stirrings .
There are some interesting possibilities in white too but I won't bring them up here. See the .
5 months ago
@bushido_man96: Wait... You like the Horizon Enemy Color lands? Are they really that great? I, mean, sure, Horizon Canopy was a Future Sight Dual Land; but even stuff like Grove of the Burnwillows , Nimbus Maze , River of Tears ... Now I'd like to see a full cycle of those; maybe even Land Creatures like Dryad Arbor in which they have a Basic Color to base upon. But there also is the Storage Duals w/o an enemy cycle. I'd like to see cycles for all those...
Oh, & found a new combo for cEDH Boros anyway: Altar of the Brood + Ancestral Statue (Or even add Rest in Peace in this case?). Think; repeatable mill that wincons for cheap. That said, I just wonder how such a kind of combo might actually do better...
But what about Eldrazi Displacer & the engine of creatures it has? How bad is it here? I don't remember if you answered previously, thus why I'm asking... Finally, Land Tax is still in, but this deck doesn't seem to have enough Basics; how many would be added on avg (Number of Basic Lands, not the Land Types.) as I reach 100 Cards? I'll let you think about all this...
5 months ago
Yo! RG decks are interesting. Here's what I think -- feel free to disregard it:
The main attraction of running green is having access to one-mana mana-dorks. Llanowar Elves , Birds of Paradise , Fyndhorn Elves , Elvish Mystic and Orcish Lumberjack will all speed up your deck tremendously, while giving you bodies for Overwhelming Stampede or similar finishers. Exploration is a good accelerator, though it can be expensive; search for tomorrow is similar. There are some two- or three-mana dorks you might also want to consider, like Priest of Titania , Shaman of Forgotten Ways and Somberwald Sage . Having dorks ramps green faster than any other color is capable of.
Overwhelming Stampede is an excellent card; in that vein, Overrun and Triumph of the Hordes are both good finishers. If you want to put money into the deck, Craterhoof Behemoth is a great card in Legacy Elves that also works here. Grabbing Craterhoof with something like Natural Order can produce a really fast win. Green Sun's Zenith is another good tutor-spell, which can also fetch Dryad Arbor turn one.
I see you're running Nature's Lore . Farseek is a great card to fetch a mountain, especially if you choose to run Stomping Ground , Sheltered Thicket and/or Cinder Glade . Taiga is good, too, but that's pushing $200 these days... effing OG duals.
Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip is a good card, and an affordable version of Gaea's Cradle . Similarly, Slate of Ancestry is a very underrated EDH card that would be a powerhouse in this deck. In the line of card-draw, Beast Whisperer and Harmonize are worth considering.
Karplusan Forest , Spire Garden , Command Tower and Grove of the Burnwillows are four excellent non-basic, ETB-untapped lands for your colors. You should run these, if at all possible. I think they're better than Jund Panorama and Naya Panorama , as well as Rogue's Passage . You should consider Kessig Wolf Run , as well as cutting one or two lands from the final list.
Depending on how sadistic you are, you may also want to consider running some stax pieces. Thorn of Amethyst is an excellent card in most green decks, as these decks tend to produce oodles of mana and not cast too many non-creature spells. Pyrostatic Pillar and Eidolon of the Great Revel are excellent ways to keep low-curved decks in check. Harsh Mentor varies with meta calls, though it can be very strong. Stranglehold can ruin some strategies, and Price of Glory can nuke counter-heavy decks. Similarly, Vexing Shusher is useful to avoid getting countered, especially since you don't have to activate it until after an opponent casts a counterspell. Scab-Clan Berserker is worth considering.
I suggest Gamble . It's the best tutor in your colors. Eternal Witness is another pretty good card you may want to consider to get you back in the game after a board-wipe. I suggest running Grim Flowering or Nature's Resurgence for the same reason.
Your spot removal will be dependent on how hard you want to lean into Ruric Thar, the Unbowed . If you want to keep him, Reclamation Sage and similar effects are the way to go. Without him, or while thinking of him as a secondary creature, you should run Nature's Claim and/or Krosan Grip . Chain of Acid is an interesting card I've been wondering about recently, so you may be interested in experimenting with it. Hull Breach is similar to Decimate , and is often a two-for-one. Shattering Spree , By Force , Ancient Grudge , Vandalblast and Fiery Confluence are good as well.
Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion is an efficient, powerful creature that helps cycle away dead cards in your hand, all while generating mana. Huntmaster of the Fells Flip is another super-efficient creature. Boartusk Liege is valuable for its anthem effect and not-insignificant body. Siege Behemoth is another recommendation, for obvious reasons.
Depending on your meta, Sunder Shaman , Choke , Carpet of Flowers , Flashfires and Boil are options. If you keep your mana-base with only a few non-basics, Blood Moon , Magus of the Moon and Ruination are good cards. If your meta is super aggressive, you should consider Loxodon Warhammer or Basilisk Collar in order to recoup life points. Runic Armasaur is another good consideration if your meta has a lot of fetch lands and the like.
Strionic Resonator is a way to copy your general's trigger, and may be tremendously helpful. Resolving them in succession on the same creature results in quadrupled power.
Alright, that's all I got for now. I hope you found these suggestions at least a little helpful. Good luck with deck building!
Grove of the Burnwillows occurrence in decks from the last year
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