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1 week ago
Hey, good upgrades to the precon, what you've done so far.
How do you want to win? Determining the main strategy you want to play can help to keep good cards for that strategy and cut unnecessary cards. If you're wanting to keep precon level budget then doing combat damage with Constructs and Commander damage with Urza are directions to consider. Research Thief and Bident of Thassa are excellent budget cards if you want to be attacking with Constructs. Making Urza an artifact makes him a reliable source of Commander damage, but this means including effects to make Urza an artifact.
You have Urza, Lord High Artificer, he's a combo wincon, but to use him as a wincon you'll want to add other cards and more ways to assemble the combo. Drawing cards from Constructs doing combat damage to opponents is a good alternative to playing expensive price tutors to get combo pieces in your hand.
You have Tezzeret, Master of the Bridge, you don't really need Mycosynth Golem especially not for it's price tag. You don't need this Tezzeret either, but if you have it might as well play it. The first cuts to consider are lands since 41 lands is a lot when the strategy here are artifacts. Consider cutting 6 lands? Lands that always ETB tapped and are worse then others that also do this. If you feel you need more mana then add mana sources (rocks, dorks) not lands.
- Orzhov Basilica, Azorius Chancery, Dimir Aqueduct
- Temple of Silence, Temple of Deceit, Temple of Enlightenment
The Bounce lands and Scry lands are worse always ETB tapped lands then Tri lands, Bridges, etc.
Some advice for more cuts is choose the top 20 creatures here, top 10 artifacts and top 10 other nonland cards. By choosing the best cards then you can cut a huge chunk away of lesser cards.
- Urza, Lord High Artificer
- Research Thief
- Losheel, Clockwork Scholar
- Thought Monitor, Ethersworn Sphinx
- Ornithopter of Paradise, Etherium Sculptor
- Phyrexian Metamorph
- Spellskite, Padeem, Consul of Innovation
- Ethersworn Canonist
- Baleful Strix
- Hangarback Walker, Sai, Master Thopterist
- Steel Overseer
- Armix, Filigree Thrasher
- Emry, Lurker of the Loch, Sharuum the Hegemon
- The Reality Chip, Lion Sash
- Sol Ring
- Arcane Signet, Chromatic Lantern
- Liquimetal Torque
- Talisman of Dominance, Talisman of Hierarchy
- Swiftfoot Boots
- Cranial Plating, Shadowspear
- Strionic Resonator
- Their Name is Death, Phyrexian Scriptures
- The Flesh is Weak
- Tezzeret, Master of the Bridge
- Artificer Class
- Austere Command
- Void Rend
- Swords to Plowshares
- Dovin's Veto
For upgrading it's easier to get an established list that's not 99 cards then have a list that's way over 99 cards. Really any 0-3 drop artifact creature who can make some value to take advantage of Urza artifact creature affinity or any 0-2 drop mana rock for more ramp can fill unfilled deck spots.
Good luck with your deck.
2 weeks ago
Thank you! Diluvian Primordial was definitely a mistake...
Great suggestions otherwise that I will be taking. Adding Vampiric Rites for draw and I will replace the goblins with Arcane Signet and Chromatic Lantern. Great suggestions :)
2 weeks ago
Hi m8, I think you made a little mistake by including Diluvian Primordial. Other than that, since your deck is heavy on token generation, I thought Sorin, Grim Nemesis, or maybe Legion's Landing Flip could also work in your favor.
To increase the speed of the deck, I'd also really consider adding some more ramp (Arcane Signet, Chromatic Lantern, Boros Signet, Orzhov Signet, Rakdos Signet, Talisman of Conviction, Talisman of Hierarchy, Talisman of Indulgence) and draw opportunities (Phyrexian Arena, Underworld Connections and Vampiric Rites). I'd really get rid of the Goblin cards if I were you. Your deck doesn't contain any tutoring options so the chances of you assembling the combo mentioned are extremely small anyway.
3 weeks ago
I just realized that Chromatic Lantern only let’s lands tap for any color, it doesn’t actually give your lands every basic land type and therefor wouldn’t work with Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle. My bad.
3 weeks ago
Neat deck, Landfall and Gates seem to go hand in hand very well! I can't think of that many great landfall or gate cards that you don't already have in here, but there are still a few that come to mind that might be worth looking into.
Dryad of the Ilysian Grove is an amazing mana fixer/mana ramper and I feel like it would be a perfect fit in this deck. Likewise, Chromatic Lantern is a great mana fixer too, but it doesn't offer any more than that so it might not be that great, but I think it's still worth considering.
A personal favorite landfall card of mine is Valakut Exploration. With all of the additional land drops you're getting per turn, Valakut can pop off hard and let you dig deep into your deck each turn.
Hopefully this was helpful!
3 weeks ago
NV_1980 I made some of those changes! I upgraded the ramp by adding Arcane Signet, Chromatic Lantern, Fellwar Stone, and Nature's Lore. For more protection I added Archetype of Endurance, Asceticism, and Heroic Intervention. For some haste enablers I added Frenzied Saddlebrute and Surrak, the Hunt Caller. And finally, I was able to add Kodama of the East Tree.
After a couple of playtests I feel like the speed of the deck has increased by a couple turns and I'm a bit more aggressive. But what do you think of the changes?
3 weeks ago
Hi everyone! At long last I've updated the list with some of the ancient dragons that I think will work best in the deck list.
The second is actually Ancient Gold Dragon. Kudos to AJohnney101 for pointing this out! It's not just good with Dragon Tempest. It's also good for our other cards that care about the number of dragons attacking, such as Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury who can easily kill a table with enough dragons on board, or to a lesser extend Dromoka, the Eternal. It can also wipe any board with Silumgar, the Drifting Death or add some 6/6s to the 1/1s with Utvara Hellkite. There's just a lot of combos and lines of play here that are really good. We'll cut Kairi, the Swirling Sky for it which isn't super great and certainly nowhere near as great as this.
Ancient Brass Dragon intrigued me initially, but at best it's a second copy of Teneb, the Harvester that doesn't take mana to activate, but which will whiff sometimes. Having a second copy of Teneb is considerable, but the risk of whiffing is as well, so I'm still on the fence.
Ancient Copper Dragon is also amazing and I wouldn't critique anyone adding that, but I think I'm good at the moment with Old Gnawbone and Savage Ventmaw for rampy dragons and am not at the present time investing a slot or money in it.
I also think AJohnney101's suggestion of Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm is intriguing. I can definitely see the value in making copies of not just Miirym but other dragons we want to reanimate, and there would be a lot of fun to be had with mass reanimation on this one. The ward is also not nothing, as this could also be played to nullify removal at Scion if someone holds up one for Path to Exile of can't otherwise pay to overcome the ward. I'll definitely keep this in mind!
Thanks for all the fabulous suggestions! My replies are mostly in the update list above. I also agree that late game we can usually run this deck just fine without Scion. He's a great tool to get us going, but we have lots of tricks to close out the game and a great toolbox.
I don't have Fellwar Stone because I am in green and don't really need many mana rocks. Rampant Growth and its many clones do most of my work here. I've only included Chromatic Lantern because of the incredible utility it provides to my mana base. I can see the case for Faithless Looting or as AJohnney101 suggested Amass the Components and the like. That being said, I in dislike in general one-off effects in a deck like this which often just aren't as useful as a piece that could give me repeat value, but that might be just me!
Thanks for the compliment! For the BG dragons see the update above
As usual, thanks for all of your valuable contributions to the deck and primer. They appreciated!
1 month ago
cool deck dude. im sure you can use some sorceries or instants or stuff too? Prismatic Omen helps with color fixing. Refurbish could be nice. Chromatic Lantern is a good color fixing artifact. some good old removal like Doom Blade, Murder, Hero's Downfall, or even good old Lightning Bolt works too! these are a lot of random suggestions but basically try to add some more removal or utility cards?
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