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Whenever a creature with power 3 or greater enters the battlefield under your control, draw a card.
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Elemental Bond Discussion
2 days ago
Love Omnath as a commander. He was my second commander I built actually. I'd recommend Tempt with Vengeance in conjunction with Omnath and a sac outlet, you could just win the game. If an opponent is foolish enough to take the offer, you will probably win. Elemental Bond Not only is it on theme, but your 5/5's also say "Draw a card". Evolutionary Leap Another sac outlet Stalking Vengeance Deal 5 more damage when a 5/5 dies Beastmaster Ascension This will allow your already large 5/5's to really end the game Gruul War Chant More 5/5 smash.
Have fun lightning bolting peoples domes off. also, "Not Gruul? THEN DIE!"
3 days ago
Your deck contains several cards that generate tokens. I think your deck would fare better if you'd remove those and instead invest more into getting creatures that either generate counters or benefit greatly from them. There are several budget and non-budget ways of doing this. Here's some of the budget ways (they're not Hydra-themed, but suit your strategy very well):
- Gyre Sage: in your deck, this would be one of the best ramping options ever;
- Wild Beastmaster; works well in your deck; boosts all creatures when attacking;
- Forgotten Ancient; combination of Managorger Hydra and Spike Rogue;
- Champion of Lambholt; no +1/+1 counter deck should be without her;
- Bloodspore Thrinax; an even better version of Wild Beastmaster (because counters all work when defending :))
- Juniper Order Ranger; more counters!
- Renegade Krasis; adding counters can get pretty insane with him around.
- Inspiring Call: nice draw spell and gives all your creatures indestructible for a turn;
- Map the Wastes: ramp and bolster in one card; noice!
- Elemental Bond: because basically every creature you cast, is strong enough to allow you to draw a card.
- Death's Presence: one monster's death, is another's power.
- Hardened Scales: add a counter for whenever counters are added :)
- Bow of Nylea: gives a whole host of options, one of which is adding +1/+1's.
Some less-budget (more expensive) options, would be:
- Selvala, Heart of the Wilds: great ramp and card draw creature.
- Vigor: your creatures grow by being dealt damage.
- Primal Vigor: Not quite a Doubling Season but close.
- Ajani, Mentor of Heroes: great walker with a primary ability tailor-made for this deck.
Sorry for the long post. Hope you find some of this to be useful. Happy gaming!
3 days ago
3 days ago
Mycosynthlithium, let me know which deck plays out better.
Balaroth, I use to run both cards in a previous version. I think I cut Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger for Rampaging Baloths for other ways to produce large amounts of tokens, in case Omnath was being shutdown. I cut Green Sun's Zenith for Worldly Tutor to get a turn 2 Lotus Cobra out, so I can get an early turn Omnath.
Crawarc, I would include both Mind's Eye and Seer's Sundial if you have the room for both. The more draw engine cards you have the better for Omnath. I would advise against cutting Elemental Bond, it is such an easy card to abuse draw from with the many elemental tokens being produced.
6 days ago
Thanks for the feedback. I've got an Eviction, I'd be willing to take out the Shivan Dragon for that. I'm pretty sure I have both the Greaves and Boots, one of the Sieges can go for those, maybe the Mirror or Elemental Bond as well. I wish Archetype of Endurance was a good fit for the deck, one of my favorite Green creatures for Commander.
As for Darksteel Plate, I'm out of luck on that one for now.
1 week ago
Elemental Bond, Kindred Discovery and the Big D's card drawing ability all help to replenish your hand once he hits the table. As an added bonus Animate Dead can be used to cheat in Dragons that were ditched with LED ;)
1 week ago
Hey everybody, it has been a little while since my last post, but I am here to answer everybody's questions and clear up any confusion. So without further ado, lets start another dissertation.
@MadDogLai: I am well aware of the worldgorger combo, and have been considering it for a while. If combined with something like the Elemental Bond and Temur Ascendancy, then that also means you have infinite draw to go with that infinite mana. You would essentially win the game right there at that point so I have been really considered putting that combo in.
@Rabid_Wombat: Yeah, more rocks the better. decided to not go with paradox engine, but have been considering getting some new cards, in fact, I already have some on the way. Sadly, the Mana Crypt that I really want is not in said package. I also wouldn't mind owning a Mox Diamond as well. Those two are great cards. I am a little hesitant on Lion's Eye Diamond because it is a sac affect and well price. Those three all together are over $200. think I will start with just getting my Mana Crypt as a start and keep building up from there.
@potatopotatopotato: Yeah, I know that top tier competitive commander decks all have a low average cmc and are generally not built around attacking. I get that, but, I still feel there is a way to do it. I believe any deck can be competitive if build correctly. Maybe cards don't exist for said competitive version yet, maybe they do and nobody has built it yet. Doesn't mean I can't stop trying. So while your opinion is valid, I will continue with how I want to play and make my damn best attempt at this deck for competitive. Thank you for your advice, and if you have any insights on the deck, I will be more than happy to hear about it.
@Forkbeard: I am glad you enjoyed the deck, it has been a labor of love for quite sometime and I am happy to see how far it has come. So on the thought of Sarkhan's Triumph, I like it, but it is a 3 mana specific tutor. We run Demonic Tutor for the reason that it searches for any card. Which with that in mind, I would think of running another card that adds any card to hand like Demonic tutor does. Cards that come to mind are Beseech the Queen, Diabolic Tutor, Grim Tutor, or even Enlightened Tutor. There also the tutors that put cards on top of the deck, like Vampiric Tutor. I think the ability to search for any card is just arguably more powerful than going for a dragon. The deck also might need more draw power, so I think adding something like Fact or Fiction or Treasure Cruise could be happening. I am also having a hard time fitting any more tutor like cards into the deck right now.
@BrettonTheKid: I personally like Dragonlord Kolaghan. She is great, and it is fine even if the last ability is dead in the water. She is cheaper than Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund, and does the same thing as him without stealing dragons, which if your opponents don't play dragons, is also a dead in the water ability. My playgroups also play a lot of clone affects, so I would end up losing all of my dragons and would die right there on the spot. I do run Homeward Path in the event my stuff does get stolen, but that is one card out of 99. I will not deny though, that Karrthus is a great dragon and was something I did consider. So on to the next part, how is Deathrite Shaman out of place. We get a mana dork that comes out turn 1, can use any of the 10 fetch lands that I have used, or any of the ones that an opponent uses (remember, he can target any graveyard), and he can screw with graveyard decks. Gotten stuck in an infinite loop with Mikaeus, the Unhallowed's undying affect? Guess what, Deathrite Shaman just exiled the creature that was going infinite with the undying affect from Mikaeus. In the words of a friend of mine, Deathrite Shaman is a 1 mana planeswalker essentially.
@Dragonstompy: I am very glad that you enjoy the decklist. It has been fun, but improvements can always be made. In my testing for Rhystic Study, It never comes out. This card stays in the deck and should probably never be removed. It is just so good for drawing. Most competitive decks aren't going to let a rhystic study slow down there progress towards winning so you will be drawing off of that. Some of the time, it will be a lot of cards. If they pay for the study, then they are slowing down their progress which is also something you want. People don't want the dragons to explode, but they also don't want to slow down. Rhystic Study contains only downsides for the opponents and we spent 3 mana for it. I have also considered adding Phyrexian Arena as an extra draw source for the deck along with Rhystic Study. Would certainly never cut the study though. As for Broodmate Dragon, for 6 mana (5 with The Ur-Dragon commander), I just don't think he does enough for the deck. He does give a total power of 8 across two creatures, but I think I would rather spend that mana someplace else. To me, something like Hellkite Tyrant is just so much better. It is a matter of personal opinion, but I can see his appeal for the double enter battlefield triggers with say Scourge of Valkas or Dragon Tempest.
Alright people, that is my lengthy explanations. There will be another update coming here soon. As I mentioned earlier, got new cards coming in, and hopefully they speed up the deck further. One of the new cards being Carpet of Flowers and with most generals using blue in some way, this means only straight profit/value out of this card. Anyway, have a great day everyone and stay safe.
1 week ago
Thanks F3A5t! I really like the sound of Samut, the Tested, Elemental Bond, and Somberwald Sage. I am going to try both Elemental Bond and Vanquisher's Banner just so I can hopefully get a little more draw power. I am not a huge fan of Urza's Filter but I cannot yet give a logical reason as to why; best I can give is that I'm just not feeling it. I am going to add Krosan Drover to the maybe board to think about.