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Karplusan Forest Discussion
1 week ago
Yeah against the top of the meta I think you will have quite a bit of trouble unfortunately. Though this doesn't mean there isn't any potential here. You could move more towards mono-green aggro and play cards like Hexdrinker, Strangleroot Geist, and Steel Leaf Champion and the like. While this isn't a very competitive deck it tends to be very fast and can steal games. Similarly with mono-red aggro with a devotion twist built around Fanatic of Mogis which is a cheap deck to start with but not very competitive. I could also see you moving towards G/R Ponza and being that Blood Moon deck which is just good enough to win games by itself.
Where I see the most potential however is pivoting towards G/R Eldrazi in modern. Here is an example list G/R Eldrazi Optimal. Now, yes this is over budget by quite a bit but we can cut the price and build up to something more optimal over time. On that list the only semi-pricy cards that I would call necessary are Karplusan Forest, Eldrazi Temple, and Thought-Knot Seer. Pretty much everything else that commands a high price can be neglected for now in favor of budget options while the deck evolves. Noble Hierarch can become Elvish Mystic for example, and while nowhere near as good, the deck still functions. Similarly, you don't need to go investing in Cavern of Souls, you can play Unclaimed Territory and while not getting the best part of the effect you still can make colorless mana this way. You can skip most of the dual lands, again while not optimal there are cheaper alternatives in the meantime. I think G/R Eldrazi is also fairly well-positioned right now so there is a plus there. Let me know if you need any help if you choose this route!
As for your current deck, Harmonize, Lightning Greaves, Beast Whisperer are all bad. You can make an argument for one Whisperer but even then that is not ideal. None of these cards particularly do much and if you are casting Harmonize in modern with this deck's gameplan you are probably already losing. You really need a 2-drop, if you stay in mono-green, 1 Scavenging Ooze and 4 Strangleroot Geist are decent options. I would personally consider getting into red to play Lightning Bolt and Bonecrusher Giant as you need some kind of removal; you can't expect your opponents to just do nothing, especially in modern. If you stay mono-green though, you basically have to play a couple Dismember in the main or side. You also need a sideboard, I know it is extra money but in modern a lot of the skill is being able to adapt to your opponent. For you, cards like Shapers' Sanctuary, Chameleon Colossus, Grafdigger's Cage, Reclamation Sage, Weather the Storm, and Relic of Progenitus are all good options that shouldn't break the bank when constructing your board. A card like Carnage Tyrant is also good but pricy, Gaea's Revenge is a bit more budget-oriented option.
I hope this helps, welcome back to the crazy world of modern!
2 weeks ago
Hey, looks good, nice Dockside Extortionist :)
Temur Sabertooth can be a combo with Dockside, depending on how many artifacts/enchantments your opponents have. Sabertooth bounces Dockside for unlimited mana and infinite sacs for Korvold which is infinite draw. Draw into Mayhem Devil for a win condition from sacing Treasures. The manabase can use some improvements. Even on a budget there's several lands to consider adding starting with the staple Command Tower.
Other lands to consider adding:
- Exotic Orchard
- Stomping Ground
- Llanowar Wastes
- Karplusan Forest
- Woodland Cemetery
- Dragonskull Summit
- Rootbound Crag
- Graven Cairns
- Cinder Glade
Could cut Swamps and 1x Mountain for these dual lands.
Consider upgrading some of the ramp sources with one drop mana dorks? Mana dorks are good with Korvold, use them for ramp to get him onto the battlefield faster and then be fodder to sac.
- Birds of Paradise: reprinted in the Mystery Booster set, that version is $4.
- Orcish Lumberjack: sac a Forest to make three mana for ramp. Can tap the Forest for mana before you sac it meaning that Forest makes four mana. Makes ramp for Karvold and is a sac outlet.
- Elves of Deep Shadow
- Deathrite Shaman
- Elvish Mystic
- Dark Ritual
Cards to consider cutting:
- 1x Swamp
- Burnished Hart
- Falkenrath Noble
- Vindictive Vampire
- Kodama's Reach
- Mind Stone
- Butcher of Malakir
Good luck with your deck.
1 month ago
Hello and thank you for the +1! Similar to my last comment, some cards I'm working out of the "preliminary build" just because I try to build with cards I have around. You are 100% correct about Prismatic Vista being much better. I am going to be we working on the land base as part of my next wave of edits. Right now I am going to be putting Taiga, Rootbound Crag, Fire-Lit Thicket, Prismatic Vista, Grove of the Burnwillows, Copperline Gorge and Karplusan Forest.
I took it out for it's first competitive run yesterday and it performed and I'm extremely happy with the way it played. It was consistent every time, and I would definitely suggest trying it out.
1 month ago
Hey, I like the changes you've made, well done.
Armada Wurm is a good high CMC creature upgrade and it makes many other high CMC creatures here not needed. Creatures such as Soul of Zendikar, Tendershoot Dryad, Thragtusk, Rampaging Baloths, Wingmate Roc. These creatures and the token they can create for their mana costs are not better with or without Ghired than what Armada gives you for six mana. When you get Doubling and Lives these are creatures who could be cut.
Another place to think about upgrades is the manabase. The precon manabase is decent, but there's still too many lands that will always ETB tapped making it slow. Some dual lands that can ETB tapped are fine such as Check lands and Battle lands, but these lands can ETB untapped and have a much better chance of doing that because of the high number of basic lands.
Currently Farseek can only search for Cinder Glade meaning it can't search for a dual land that can make white mana. What makes Farseek a good card is it can be dual land ramp which also makes it color fixing. Canopy Vista is a land to consider adding.
With the current manabase consider these lands upgrades:
- Canopy Vista > Graypelt Refuge
- Karplusan Forest > Rugged Highlands
- Brushland > Sungrass Prairie
- Rugged Prairie or Battlefield Forge > Wind-Scarred Crag
- Rootbound Crag > Gruul Turf
- Sunpetal Grove > Selesnya Sanctuary
Like the Talismans the Pain lands will ETB untapped, you pay 1 life to make colored mana or they can make colorless mana without paying life. This is fine though, don't be afraid to use your life as a resource in 40 life Commander especially if you're playing cards that can gain you life later on in a game. Brushland and Karplusan are nice because they can ETB untapped turn one to cast a green one drop mana dork.
The Check lands are fine lands when playing a lot of basic lands in the manabase. Rootbound and Sunpetal will ETB untapped if you control just one Forest which is the most lands of the manabase. Of course Pain lands and Check lands can be even further upgraded with Shock lands and other Rainbow lands, but this is a start to consider for manabase upgrades.
2 months ago
Hey, nice work in progress at upgrading the precon :)
I don't know what the meta you play in is like, but what I can give you is overall advice on how to upgrade the precon. What the precon needs is early game ramp, tutors, haste enablers for Ghired and repeatable protection for Ghired in combat so he can safely attack and populate. Rhinos are really the only threat you need as long as you can keep attacking with Ghired.
Cards within the budget to consider adding:
- Ramp: Birds of Paradise, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Elvish Mystic, Llanowar Elves
- Ramp: Smothering Tithe, Faeburrow Elder
- Ramp: Arcane Signet, Wild Growth
- Tutor: Eladamri's Call, Finale of Devastation, Worldly Tutor, Fierce Empath
- Tutor: Enlightened Tutor, Idyllic Tutor, Open the Armory
- Tutor: Crop Rotation, Sylvan Scrying
- Haste: Lightning Mauler, Ogre Battledriver, Hammer of Purphoros
- Repeatable Protection: Mother of Runes, Reconnaissance, Eldrazi Displacer
- Recursion: Eternal Witness, Regrowth
- Lands: Temple Garden, Stomping Ground, Brushland, Karplusan Forest, Grove of the Burnwillows, Rugged Prairie, Battlefield Forge
- Removal: Swords to Plowshares, Vandalblast, Cataclysm, Wrath of God, Beast Within, Generous Gift
A problem with the precon is the high avg. CMC which is 3.9. This number means that consistently four drops or higher CMC cards will be in your hand which is very slow. Early game you don't want lots of four or higher CMC cards in your hand because you will not be able to cast them. Adding low mana cost ramp by cutting high mana cost cards can help to reduce this number.
There's a lot of high CMC cards here, in fact there's 36 four or higher CMC cards which is too much. There's a lot of high CMC threats and I don't think you need all of them. Instead of playing so many high CMC threats replace some of them with tutors which can get you the better cards/threats into your hand.
To be more competitive I would expand on combos and use most of the high CMC card spots for more combo cards rather than big creature threats. You have done this some what already by adding Purphoros, Helm for Aurelia and Godo, but consider expanding further. Cards for combos to consider adding:
- Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
- Aggravated Assault
- Bear Umbra
- Sigarda's Aid
- Savage Ventmaw
- Zealous Conscripts
- Impact Tremors
Combos that go with these cards:
- Kiki + Helm + Purphoros or Tremors for infinite damage.
- Kiki + Conscripts infinite hasty token Conscripts to attack. Add Purphoros or Tremors for infinite damage.
Outside of combos Kiki is good with populate because he can make a token copy of a nonlegendary creature and if you populate the token then that token doesn't go away at end of the turn. Kiki combos with Helm for infinite Kikis since the token copy of Kiki that's created by Helm is not legendary which allows Kiki to copy it.
- Assault + Umbra + five lands for infinite combats.
- Assault + Ventmaw for infinite combats and infinite green or red mana.
More infinite combat combos is good with Ghired because his power comes from him attacking. Outside of the combos Assault is a good card with Ghired because it can give you more attacks which is more populate.
A problem with Helm in all the combos, even Godo, is it's slow because you have to pay the five mana cost to equip it. Aid is a one drop which is worth including for Helm and Selves.
Good luck with your deck.
2 months ago
Hey, good start and budget version.
If you want to be quicker than consider reducing the avg. CMC? It's currently too high at 3.6. Reducing the avg. CMC makes it so you can play cards faster. In the case here getting more creatures onto the battlefield before Marisi. Consider more one/two/three drops creatures? One drop mana dorks are good with Marisi because they make ramp to help to cast him faster and they can also be attackers with or without cards that give evasion.
Creatures who are just attackers and don't do anything else are less good then others that can attack while also doing something else. In Commander you want the creatures you play to give you more value then just being a creature who can attack. The manabase can be much faster since all the dual lands you're playing always ETB tapped.
Some budget cards ($5 or less each) to consider adding:
- Sol Ring
- Avacyn's Pilgrim
- Elvish Mystic, Llanowar Elves
- Mother of Runes: protection and evasion.
- Swords to Plowshares
- Rancor: trample.
- Sixth Sense: draw.
- Eladamri's Call: creature tutor.
- Hushbringer: flying.
- Remorseful Cleric: flying.
- Loyal Apprentice: repeatable flying tokens.
- Mask of Memory: draw.
- Boros Charm: protection or double strike.
- Regrowth: recursion.
- Luminarch Ascension: repeatable flying tokens, can activate fast since looks at each opponents end step. If your opponents are not able to attack you then this makes it more likely that you will not lose life.
- Spirit en-Dal: shadow or give another creature shadow.
- Aven Mindcensor: flying.
- Soltari Visionary: shadow.
- Champion of Lambholt: make all your creatures unblockable.
- Silverblade Paladin: double strike.
- Duelist's Heritage: double strike.
- Snake Umbra: draw.
- Beast Within and Generous Gift
More creatures with evasion and effects that can improve combat/attacking are cards to consider because you need to do combat damage to a player to goad that player. More creatures with flying and creatures with shadow is evasion to consider adding. Drawing cards with creatures who do combat damage to a player can be helpful to stay ahead. Double strike is a good ability for an attacking creature.
Shadow is a unique creature ability that makes the creature unblockable because your opponents are not going to have any creatures with shadow. Spirit en-Dal has shadow, but the reason to play it is to repeatedly reveal it from your hand at your upkeep to give a target creature shadow until end of turn. For two mana it can give Marisi shadow making him unblockable.
The manabase can be improved because there's a lot of subpar lands which will always ETB tapped. Dual lands that can ETB untapped can speed up game play letting you cast spells faster. Command Tower is a staple land for multicolored decks. There's a lot of basic lands in the manabase therefore consider adding others lands that have good interaction with basic lands?
Good luck with your deck.
3 months ago
Your lands could use some improvement too: Stomping Ground , Wooded Foothills , Command Tower , Reliquary Tower , Temple of the False God , Cinder Glade , Game Trail , Fire-Lit Thicket , Karplusan Forest , Temple of Abandon , Rootbound Crag , Kessig Wolf Run , Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx , Spire Garden , and Copperline Gorge are all easy additions
4 months ago
Use pain lands in your mana base, unfortunately I dont believe the gruul pain land; Karplusan Forest is legal in pioneer but, Shivan Reef will give you red and colorles, Yavimaya Coast will give you green and colorless, so on. Since oath of the gatewatch they have been retconned to give you colorless mana not just generic. Also look to play Eldrazi Mimic , seems to be good in aggro Eldrazi decks. Hope it helps :)