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: Add or to your mana pool. Karplusan Forest deals 1 damage to you.
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Karplusan Forest Discussion
6 days ago
I can see where this is going, and I like it, but there are two major hurdles to cross. One is that your curve drops a lot of creatures on to the battlefield a little late, and they don't have the immediate board presence to offset this loss- this isn't Gatekeeper of Malakir stuff- eternal witness is a great card but its just a bear the turn you play it, and that is unlikely to be enough to survive in this fast-paced metagame.
The second issue is unreliable mana- your lands are entering untapped which is essential for creature based aggro, but are not providing multiple colours, effectively leaving multiple cards in your hand blank.
I'd reccomend adding the following, and cutting the number of cards that don't have an immediate impact on the game.
Don't talk about the price - Noble Hierarch Knight of the Reliquary+fetches Horizon Canopy Blood Moon etc. Just look at tournament lists at this point. All lists including this type of card have been largely explored and optimised, so its not much worth mucking around with.
I'd reccomend cryptolith over prismatic, because you need the added acceleration if you're sacrificing a turn to play it in a deck that wants to be attacking and casting bigger stuff. That said, you could just play token spells in those slots or some more lands. It doesn't look as flashy, but it keeps the deck running smoothly without 'loosing' a turn.
You can make the deck a lot, lot more stable by leaving a colour to later in the game, only including a single basic and alternative ways of producing the mana, allowing you to reliably cast creatures turns 1-2-3. You aren't pumping out hoardes of goblin or elemental tokens or abusing flicker for impact tremors to be super effective, so leaving the only red spells as Kessig Malcontents as a finishing blow in an otherwise green/white list will be a lot more reliable. Swap kytheon and twin bolt main to sideboard- you might want to keep the impact tremors there if you face a lot of Fog effects.
Borderland ranger is too expensive mana wise for what it does- Harrow is an instant and leaves two lands untapped and better creatures are out there to fix mana. There are better cards for that slot.
All told, playtest, look at what other people are doing and most of all, have fun!
1 week ago
Looks excellent. A suggestion for the landbase, though, that'll keep the budget in check but balance things better:
3 weeks ago
A friend of mine suggested the same thing, LCJ38. My concern is that I don't want to be starved for Forests for my mama dorks.
4 weeks ago
CrapdosNoob I will definitely throw those Karplusan Forests in. I am thinking of keeping it more red based, with the green for the planes walkers. Do you see it worth having the Groundbreakers over the current Elemental creatures?
1 month ago
That's the horrible part for running a 5C Commander... there really is no cheap option for the mana base. In order for the deck to function on just a basic level, you need so many things.
So, first things first, you're probably gonna want to run each of the signets:
This allows you to filter any color of mana into two others. Honestly, this is the cheapest your gonna do for mana fixing.
Another artifact you may want to consider is Mycosynth Lattice. Not only does it make all your cards castable for just their CMC, it also has great synergy with Hellkite Tyrant for a complete win against every player at the table.
You could go with the Pain Lands. While they are cost efficient, they are definitely on a lower tier than other lands:
You can tell they vary considerably with the cheapest being under $1 and the most expensive being upwards of $20. The big problem here is obviously that these guys hurt you to get that color of mana you need.
The other lands I would suggest would be Mana Confluence and Spire of Industry. With all the artifacts you'll be running Spire will almost always be tapping for any color. Confluence is self explanatory.
There are a ton of other suggestions I could give, but those are the ones that just pertain to the mana base. As a side note, you could also run the Shock Lands like Blood Crypt, but they tend to be more expensive. They are probably better than the Pain Lands in that they don't have to hurt you to produce mana.
Hope that helps!
2 months ago
i dont think you need blue here. milling doesnt do anything for you (even if you mill a land that doesnt change the fact that the top card of their deck could be another one). and while making things cheaper is better, if you play 3 drop land destruction (which you should play as much of as possible) then playing a 2 drop that reduces cost doesn't really make things come down faster. And the thing is unless you're casting more than one land destruction spell per turn its probably better for it to be a mana dork (a 1 drop preferably. theres no particular reason for you to use 2 drop dorks). or to replace them with mana rocks that are much harder to remove.
Now lets look at green. what does green give you that red does not have.
mana dorks. good beat sticks. and enchantment hate. if you have green in the deck, make sure you are getting all the benefit you can from it. if you're not then you may as well play mono red (possible, i made a mono red land destruction deck a while ago just to prove you could).
1 ofs are inconsistent. if you put a card in your deck you need to understand how often you want to see it. if you put 4 in, you are generally saying you want to see it every game and in general as much as possible. as a 3 of, you are saying you do not need to see it every game, but you still want to see it most games or its great to have but doesn't do as well in multiples. 2 of means you dont want to see it in most games or you really don't want to see it in multiples. 1 ofs are usually used as 5 ofs or as tool box cards. what i mean is that if i really want to play as many Terminates as i can i will play 4, but i may still want more so i play Dreadbore which is worse, but is basically my 5th Terminate. A tool box card is mostly for decks that can search for cards with things like Chord of Calling or Trinket Mage etc that can search the entire deck for the 1 of that you put in there for just this case. your deck doesn't search so right now most of your 1 ofs are inconsistent. for example why would i play 1 Lightning Bolt, 1 Shock, 1 Harnessed Lightning and 1 Lightning Strike, when i can just play 4 Lightning Bolt.
so lets walk through the deck piece by piece.
Baral, Chief of Compliance: not a bad card, but you don't play very many counters (1) and as i mentioned above it's not much better than Arbor Elf in this deck. especially since most of your instants can't actually benefit from his effect.
Goblin Arsonist: I assume that this card is in here to help protect you early game by disuading enemies from attacking. This card isn't that great at that, and most 1 drops in red really wont be. rather than try and but down a turn 1 wall, you may want to focus on making yourself quicker. so something like Arbor Elf or something similiar might benefit you more.
Minister of Inquiries: as i mentioned above this card does not furthur your goals. the best part about this card is that it gives you energy for something useful like Aether Hub but if you drop blue, then you don't need Aether Hub.
Servant of the Conduit: there are enough 1 drop mana dorks that you don't need to play this 2 drop mana dork. especially since it has limited uses.
Thragtusk: this is actually a really solid card. it gives you a good body with some life so that it has imediate impact, which is important for a 5 drop in modern. the fact that it also has residual value even when removed is what really makes this card great. my only worry is that with 22 lands you might run into problems casting it, but if you add any number of mana dorks this problem should resolve itself.
World Breaker: too expensive. you play 22 lands and this card is 7 mana. even with mana dorks this is too much risk for not enough reward.
Lightning Bolt: probably one of the best red cards printed.
Negate: you don't need blue. even if you do stay blue, either put in more counters or take this one out. you don't want just 1 counter.
Crumble to Dust: this is actually one of the better 4 drop land destruction spells, as it can destroy land on their field and some in their deck making them less likely to draw more. (this is different than milling which may or may not alter the ration of lands to non-lands in the deck)
Stone Rain: Bread of the deck. does exactly what you want to do.
Molten Rain: bread, meet butter.
Structural Distortion: mini Roiling Terrain most of the time, but it does let you exile land which can get the occasional Darksteel Citadel. if you end up putting Roiling Terrain in the deck, you may want to replace this with Poison the Well.
Aether Hub: if you switch to a 2 color deck you can take this out.
Blighted Cataract: regardless of if you stick with blue or not you should take this out.
Botanical Sanctum: obciously if you drop blue you drop this.
Cinder Glade: you actually will probably want to drop this regardless of what you do to your deck. you are on a tight clock. you cannot afford not to have your mana when you need it, and unless you always have 2 basics on the field when you play it, then it's too dangerous to play. you'd rather hurt yourself with something like Karplusan Forest.
Forest: basics are cool.
Island: this card makes people concede in legacy.
Mountain: glory be to red and all the pain it will cause.
Spirebluff Canal: you drop this if you frop blue.
Ghost Quarter is also an option. it doesn't put them a land down, but once you get enough land that you don't need all of it, you can effectively sac this one to make your opponent downgrade one of their lands or just to remove one from your opponents deck to make it less likely for them to draw more. also works well with Boom.
if you couldn't tell i really think you should drop blue.
hopefully this is somewhat helpful to you. as a tip you should probably add a budget tag since you are looking to keep this under $150.
best of luck with your deck.