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Creature — Human Cleric
When Sin Collector enters the battlefield, target opponent reveals their hand. You choose an instant or sorcery card from it and exile that card.
1 year ago
Could make use of cards like Wake the Dead, Sin Collector, or Springjack Shepherd. I've had some very decent interactions with Wake the Dead in my reanimator deck. Usually catches opponents off guard when you can employ your ETB mechanics on their turn. Not sure if it still applies since you are toning back the ETB mechanics, but figured I'd mention it anyway.
1 year ago
I like the list. It has real potential.
I'm not a fan of doomed and null priest unless they are cheating out big creatures - the only big cleric I can think of is Mikaeus, the Unhallowed. Resurrecting multiple other clerics can be done in easier, less disruptable ways.
Many of the most powerful sideboard cards (mainboardable in many metas) are clerics, and that means that with 75 cards including sideboard, something that can really kick butt in a metagame is out there.
The option to ressurect Children of Korlis, Containment Priest, Ethersworn Canonist, Fiend Hunter, Grand Abolisher, Leonin Arbiter, Auriok Champion, Leonin Relic-Warder, Remorseful Cleric, Sanctifier en-Vec, Sin Collector - there are too many great clerics for this not to become something. Even stuff like Orzhov Pontiff and True Believer has seen sideboard play in the kind of creature-led deck it would be.
You have access to all the tools from soul sisters, with Soul Warden also getting Marauding Blight-Priest as another piece. Vizier of Remedies threatens a combo line. Efficient 1 drops means that tools like Orzhov Charm, Ranger-Captain of Eos and Proclamation of Rebirth look a lot better. Order of Whiteclay and oddities like Hanweir Militia Captain Flip it offer more options than you'd expect, and it only takes one good interaction with them to turn them into powerhouse engines.
All of that before looking at w/b getting the best removal in the game means that some variant of this list will make a dent in a major tournament, once someone figures it out.
1 year ago
zapyourtumor Firstly, thank you for all the suggestions!
I'm currently hitting myself on the head for missing Shriekmaw , it's perfect in here. I also didn't even consider Elite Spellbinder , it's also perfect in this deck. Sin Collector would definitely be a nice sideboard card.
Ah, my mistake on the Surgicals, I'll get that fixed.
As for Wispmare , it's interesting, I'll definitely play around with it. The whole deck is kinda in alpha phase, so there's gonna be a lot of playing around.
I had thought of putting Solitude in the deck, but I thought that with the other removal spells I thought that having Mirran Crusader as a more offensive body would be better. Do you think that I should swap them?
1 year ago
I like your deck.
My main comments are that you only have 4 creatures that benefit from flickering, and 6 flicker spells. I would definitely lean into the flicker more and go up to a playset of Cloudshift , then increase the number of creatures that you can flicker. I think Elite Spellbinder can be flickered to have two cards exiled at once that have taxed costs (if this doesn't work then I agree that Silverquill Silencer is better for the deck). And my biggest suggestion is definitely a playest of Shriekmaw . You can do the same stuff you do on grief with this bad boy to remove two creatures plus get a 3/2 for only 2 mana. I'd probably cut some of the other removal, like Damn , and maybe the mirran crusaders, for these.
Lastly, I know I said flickerable creatures that control the opponent's hand are good, but unfortunately most of them have a negative effect when leaving the battlefield such as Thought-Knot Seer , Tidehollow Sculler (love this card), Kitesail Freebooter etc. But one that doesn't have this is Sin Collector . I think he is worth considering for the sideboard since he hits a lot of annoying cards like TTB, scapeshift, BTL, loam, etc.
A random sidenote: You have 4x Surgical mainboard and 2x sideboard, which I assume was because you changed one of them without changing the other. You could maybe replace them with Vanishing Verse .
With these additions, the deck should become more of a streamlined "flicker control" deck instead of just a Grief flicker combo in a BW control shell.
P.S. I just did some research and it turns out flickering Elite Spellbinder does work! Noice
1 year ago
Hero of Precinct One and Tome of the Guildpact are some decent cards that care about multicolored without being so themselves. Orzhov picks could be Pillar of the Paruns , Beckon Apparition , Blood Baron of Vizkopa , Nightsky Mimic , Kaya's Guile , Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim , Karlov of the Ghost Council , Resolute Rider , Seraph of the Scales , or Vizkopa Guildmage . I tried to pick card suggestions that fit in with either the multicolored or the lifegain plans. Popular inclusions in more tempo or aggro focused Mimic/Divinity builds include Castigate , Orzhov Charm , Mourning Thrull , Cartel Aristocrat , Sin Collector , and Gift of Orzhova . Combine the two and you might get some value out of a shell of Ajani's Pridemate , Heliod, Sun-Crowned , Light of Promise , Wall of Limbs , and Archangel of Thune .
Anyway, now that I've probably named every black and white card ever printed, do let me know if you have questions. Good luck!
2 years ago
I think a good place to start would be to evaluate what goals are the most important for your deck while making sure you don't have too many ideas that compete against each other. When I look at the deck now, I can see the general idea of a U/W control list that takes advantage of freeze and lifegain to prolong the fight until you can win. However, I see some major problems with the plan as it is now.
First, the deck lacks a clear win condition at the end of all the control. You'll either need to chip away over the course of a slow game with your smaller creatures or hope you have enough freeze effects to get your big guys in late-game. Control deck usually opt for some type of haymaker that can reliably close the game. Some like AEtherling and Gideon, Ally of Zendikar are designed to protect themselves, some like Celestial Colonnade and Shark Typhoon place emphasis on evasion, some like Torrential Gearhulk and Snapcaster Mage give you as much value as possible, and some like Jace, the Mind Sculptor and Teferi, Time Raveler deny your opponents of counterplay. There's a lot of overlap within those categories and not all of these cards will be played as a wincon, but having a clear plan to win is better than only playing to not lose. The closest cards you have are probably Serpent of Yawning Depths and Archipelagore. Sea monsters are certainly a fine casual deck but slotting them into something else can be awkward at best and ineffectual at worst.
The second problem I see is the missed potential of your chosen colors combined with your chosen tribe. Right now, you have very few ways to take advantage of the clerics in the deck. Clerics are intended to be W/B since you get access to powerful new tools like Orah, Skyclave Hierophant, Taborax, Hope's Demise, and Cleric of Life's Bond along with classics like Sin Collector, High Priest of Penance, and Skirsdag High Priest. The lifegain/drain synergy in clerics also benefits from orzhov colors to play threats like Angel of Destiny, Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose, Marauding Blight-Priest, Speaker of the Heavens, Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim, Twilight Prophet, Pious Evangel Flip, Drana's Emissary, and Cruel Celebrant.
Incidentally, black also synergizes quite well with tapdown effects because of Assassinate cards like Royal Assassin, Deathbringer Liege, and Murderous Compulsion, although white does have its share of Vengeance with Sunblast Angel, Deadeye Harpooner, and Swift Response. Anyway, now that I'm on this tangent, it's worth mentioning that including strong freeze effects is important if you want to make such an underused mechanic work. I'm partial to Dungeon Geists and Icefall Regent as permanent taps, but there's also Guardian of Tazeem, Niblis of Frost, Tamiyo, the Moon Sage, Time of Ice, Lorthos, the Tidemaker, Frost Titan, and Hands of Binding. Alternatively you can use cheaper cards that can retap a creature each turn like Gideon's Lawkeeper, Blinding Souleater, Fatestitcher, Hidden Strings, and Minister of Impediments. The final category I'll mention are other cards that take advantage of tapping enemy creatures like Palliation Accord and Verity Circle, except I'd only ever recommend the latter.
In summary, I think you should decide whether you're more interested in clerics or in freeze since they don't synergize with each other that well. For clerics, switching to black and taking advantage of lifedrain and sacrifice is advisable. For freeze control, find ways to abuse tapping, implement a strong win condition, and generally include more card draw and countermagic. If you are dead set on combining these styles, I'd at least invest in some tribal support cards to give the clerics more impact than just weakly contributing to the party mechanic. Adaptive Automaton, Door of Destinies, Obelisk of Urd, and Coat of Arms are some popular options. Finally, if your budget doesn't allow you to purchase many new cards, prioritizing the acquisition of additional copies of your strongest but cheapest cards is a good way to upgrade. For this deck, I think those cards are Attended Healer, Cleric of Chill Depths, Hypnotic Sprite, Kor Celebrant, Luminarch Aspirant, Queen of Ice, Shepherd of Heroes, Skyclave Cleric Flip, Concerted Defense, Dovin's Veto, Negate, Inscription of Insight, Staggering Insight, Trapped in the Tower, and maybe Silundi Vision Flip. Good luck with your build and let me know if you have any questions!
2 years ago
So I linked Birthing Pod as an example of a good toolbox deck to give you an idea of what makes a toolbox deck works. The elements are a solid gameplan without the engine card. An engine that generates a lot of advantage in cards or mana. And having cards to attack hand, board and graveyard tied to other useful effects.
As someone who plays a lot of Eldrazi in Modern and Legacy TKS is a great but in Piomeer you have to consider the cost to it. It requires you to either play suboptimal lands of which there are only enemy versions (Pain Duals), the Amonkhet Sac a Desert lands which also ping you to use coloured, wastes which is basically adding an extra colour. The cost is a lot for a single card. You cant even use a mana dork for it. And I didnt say anything about Sylvan. You need to develop your mana and its an OK card for that. The other cards mentioned pull your deck in a very diffrent direction away from tutor. Playing stuff to turn off counter spells isn't so hot when you are playing the role of the control deck. The others are low impact or also pull you aggro not control when your engine uses 5+ mana to get started. Rites wants you to flood the board with creatures etc.
So if you wanna play Vannifer you actually have hit upon some very good cards for the deck. Knight, Prince, etc. Mirror Image is OK but a bit more situational.
Bounding Krasis and Hippo let you turn any 2 drop into a 5 drop in a single turn. Siege Rhino pushes you from bant to 4c so your manabase needs to be red hot but is powerful beater and has a decent etb.
This is the sort of deck where your snakey friend can work as a 1 of. As can Tithe Taker as a useful effect that leaves a body behind.
You run 1 drop mana dorks and maybe some sylvans to help make turn 3 Vannifar.
Other cards to consider Scavenging Ooze. Hostage Taker, Sin Collector if you go black. Voice of Resurgence is a 2 cost who punishes counterspells and leaves a body behind. Felidar Guardian flickers creatures and land for mana. Renegade Rallier pods in off a 2 drop and revives any 2 drop in gy. Eldritch Evolution or Chord of Calling adds an extra form of toolbox and Collected Company gives advantage if built around a little more. If you diversify your card base to run useful enchantment creatures/artifact creatures and run fetches etc Traverse the Ulvenwald can also be useful and it then gives you access to non pod cards like Walking Ballista.
For Mardu toolbox I dont see a solid engine unless you are talking Wishclaw + Skybind. It would be neat to see a Lurrus of the Dream-Den / Open the Armory type toolbox with access to stuff like Mire's Grasp and the associated draw engines. But that suffers from some power issues.